Random acts of senseless violence?
No.
Military attacks with unfortunate collateral damage.
No.
Military attacks with unfortunate collateral damage.
This happened over two captured soldiers.ATG wrote:
There is a cause and effect SanIaya.Sanjaya wrote:
There's very little anti-semitism compared to the rampant anti-islam sentiments here. Fadedsteve, you often say there's a lot of jew hating on this forum, please provided posts where you feel this is the case as opposed to baseless accusations.
EDIT: "Jew hating liberals" is a fairly creative insult though.
Where are the reports of random acts of senseless violence with large numbers of civilian casualties that Israel is responsible for ( the OT excluded ).
2006 Lebanon war: The conflict killed over a thousand people, most of whom were Lebanese, severely damaged Lebanese infrastructure, displaced 974,184 Lebanese, and 300,000-500,000 Israelis, and disrupted normal life across all of Lebanon and northern Israel. Even after the ceasefire, much of Southern Lebanon remained uninhabitable due to unexploded cluster bombs. As of 1 December 2006, an estimated 200,000 Lebanese remained internally displaced or refugees.
I don't know how things usually go in this forum, but posting a Wikipedia article isn't in your best interest if you want to be taken seriously.sergeriver wrote:
This happened over two captured soldiers.ATG wrote:
There is a cause and effect SanIaya.Sanjaya wrote:
There's very little anti-semitism compared to the rampant anti-islam sentiments here. Fadedsteve, you often say there's a lot of jew hating on this forum, please provided posts where you feel this is the case as opposed to baseless accusations.
EDIT: "Jew hating liberals" is a fairly creative insult though.
Where are the reports of random acts of senseless violence with large numbers of civilian casualties that Israel is responsible for ( the OT excluded ).
2006 Lebanon war: The conflict killed over a thousand people, most of whom were Lebanese, severely damaged Lebanese infrastructure, displaced 974,184 Lebanese, and 300,000-500,000 Israelis, and disrupted normal life across all of Lebanon and northern Israel. Even after the ceasefire, much of Southern Lebanon remained uninhabitable due to unexploded cluster bombs. As of 1 December 2006, an estimated 200,000 Lebanese remained internally displaced or refugees.
Oh, sorry. Thanks for the advice.Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
I don't know how things usually go in this forum, but posting a Wikipedia article isn't in your best interest if you want to be taken seriously.sergeriver wrote:
This happened over two captured soldiers.ATG wrote:
There is a cause and effect SanIaya.
Where are the reports of random acts of senseless violence with large numbers of civilian casualties that Israel is responsible for ( the OT excluded ).
2006 Lebanon war: The conflict killed over a thousand people, most of whom were Lebanese, severely damaged Lebanese infrastructure, displaced 974,184 Lebanese, and 300,000-500,000 Israelis, and disrupted normal life across all of Lebanon and northern Israel. Even after the ceasefire, much of Southern Lebanon remained uninhabitable due to unexploded cluster bombs. As of 1 December 2006, an estimated 200,000 Lebanese remained internally displaced or refugees.
You mean the main reason Hamas were democratically elected to govern the Palestinians instead of Fatah...? Ah yes...ATG wrote:
Why don't you address the wholesale financial rape of the Palestinians by that terrorist and his wife...what his name, oh yes, Arafat.
lolATG wrote:
Wouldn't your efforts be better focused on getting the billions back?
That is doable and would give immediate comfort to the Palestinian people.
HERE HE IS FOLKS!! Mr. Knowitall. . . .CameronPoe wrote:
lolATG wrote:
Wouldn't your efforts be better focused on getting the billions back?
That is doable and would give immediate comfort to the Palestinian people.
So Cameron. . . what do you think about Arafat and his millions, not too mention his wife living LARGE on 100k a month in Paris. . .Meanwhile thousands of Palestinians pay the price for his stubborn idiocy over the last 30+ years?
To sum up ATG's solution:
'If Palestinians stop feeling bad about the way Israelis treat them and Israelis stop feeling bad about the way Palestinians treat them then they can all live happily ever after...'
'Wake up ATG, wake up! It's time to go to work!'
'If Palestinians stop feeling bad about the way Israelis treat them and Israelis stop feeling bad about the way Palestinians treat them then they can all live happily ever after...'
'Wake up ATG, wake up! It's time to go to work!'
I think he fucked up royally (especially at Camp David with Barak and Clinton) and was a corrupt sack of shit. Why do you ask?fadedsteve wrote:
HERE HE IS FOLKS!! Mr. Knowitall. . . .CameronPoe wrote:
lolATG wrote:
Wouldn't your efforts be better focused on getting the billions back?
That is doable and would give immediate comfort to the Palestinian people.
So Cameron. . . what do you think about Arafat and his millions, not too mention his wife living LARGE on 100k a month in Paris. . .Meanwhile thousands of Palestinians pay the price for his stubborn idiocy over the last 30+ years?
wow atg, you would think that if the solution is as easy as that, there would be peace according to your plan. Well Apparently not.ATG wrote:
Oh dear, I suspect you are addicted to hate, if you think so.Bertster7 wrote:
Oh dear.ATG wrote:
Sinse the creation of the state of Israel in 1948, the Arab world has relentlessly tried to destroy the state, and continues to this day with this goal.
The suffering of the "Palestinian " people can be directly attributed to the Arabs who subjugated these fellow Arabs to the refugee camps for the last 60 years, promising them they could return to their homes once Israel was destroyed, refusing to accept the partition of land set aside by the United nations for a future palestinian state.
While Israel has become a prosperous democratic nation, 59 years later the Palestinians are still fighting against Israel and the result is millions of their people living in camps. Their own leaders continue to stay in power by refusing to stop the terrorism and make peace. We all know about Arafats wife, Suha, who lives in Paris on a 100k per month allowance by the Palestinian Authority, but we don't know what happened to the billions of dollars Arafats secreted away to foreign bank accounts.
I can offer a personal guarantee that if the Palestinians would stop their incestant attacks and recognize and accept Israel there would be instant peace for them, starting the very next day and their own state shortly after.
But they, like so many here would rather embrace hatred for Israel than live in peace.
The solution is theirs.
You really don't seem to have much of an understanding of the facts of the situation.
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
I am just curious as to what you think about him, his policies, and the aftermath of his death. . . and subsequent knowledge of his vast bank account.CameronPoe wrote:
I think he fucked up royally (especially at Camp David with Barak and Clinton) and was a corrupt sack of shit. Why do you ask?fadedsteve wrote:
HERE HE IS FOLKS!! Mr. Knowitall. . . .CameronPoe wrote:
lol
So Cameron. . . what do you think about Arafat and his millions, not too mention his wife living LARGE on 100k a month in Paris. . .Meanwhile thousands of Palestinians pay the price for his stubborn idiocy over the last 30+ years?
I completely agree with you about Camp David!! He had a sweet deal and fucked it all up! If anytime the Jews were in a concession type mood it was then!
Camp David gave them pretty much everything they wanted and Arafat just wouldn't put pen to paper. It was the single stupidest thing done by any Palestinian past or present.fadedsteve wrote:
I am just curious as to what you think about him, his policies, and the aftermath of his death. . . and subsequent knowledge of his vast bank account.
I completely agree with you about Camp David!! He had a sweet deal and fucked it all up! If anytime the Jews were in a concession type mood it was then!
+1 Completely agree with you!CameronPoe wrote:
Camp David gave them pretty much everything they wanted and Arafat just wouldn't put pen to paper. It was the single stupidest thing done by any Palestinian past or present.fadedsteve wrote:
I am just curious as to what you think about him, his policies, and the aftermath of his death. . . and subsequent knowledge of his vast bank account.
I completely agree with you about Camp David!! He had a sweet deal and fucked it all up! If anytime the Jews were in a concession type mood it was then!
erm...doesn't my plan in volve Palestinians/Jihadists/whatever to embrace peace FIRST?d4rkst4r wrote:
wow atg, you would think that if the solution is as easy as that, there would be peace according to your plan. Well Apparently not.ATG wrote:
Oh dear, I suspect you are addicted to hate, if you think so.Bertster7 wrote:
Oh dear.
You really don't seem to have much of an understanding of the facts of the situation.
It would certainly make peace a lot more likely, but at the same time, there are some Zionists that don't want peace anymore than the extremists on the Palestinian side. Remember that guy who killed Rabin?ATG wrote:
Sinse the creation of the state of Israel in 1948, the Arab world has relentlessly tried to destroy the state, and continues to this day with this goal.
The suffering of the "Palestinian " people can be directly attributed to the Arabs who subjugated these fellow Arabs to the refugee camps for the last 60 years, promising them they could return to their homes once Israel was destroyed, refusing to accept the partition of land set aside by the United nations for a future palestinian state.
While Israel has become a prosperous democratic nation, 59 years later the Palestinians are still fighting against Israel and the result is millions of their people living in camps. Their own leaders continue to stay in power by refusing to stop the terrorism and make peace. We all know about Arafats wife, Suha, who lives in Paris on a 100k per month allowance by the Palestinian Authority, but we don't know what happened to the billions of dollars Arafats secreted away to foreign bank accounts.
I can offer a personal guarantee that if the Palestinians would stop their incestant attacks and recognize and accept Israel there would be instant peace for them, starting the very next day and their own state shortly after.
But they, like so many here would rather embrace hatred for Israel than live in peace.
The solution is theirs.
As long as a significant number of extremists exist on both sides, the Israel/Palestine situation is pretty hopeless.
@ ATG: For what reason should they embrace peace? At the price of giving up their land in a Two-State Solution (Israel and Palestine), but which would also render the Palestinian state DIVIDED in TWO GEOGRAPHICAL locations, with Israel being the buffer state. How on earth can a small country exist like that? Look at the MAP and SEE what a mistake the proposal would mean. It hasn't worked before in history, and I suspect neither will it now.ATG wrote:
erm...doesn't my plan in volve Palestinians/Jihadists/whatever to embrace peace FIRST?d4rkst4r wrote:
wow atg, you would think that if the solution is as easy as that, there would be peace according to your plan. Well Apparently not.ATG wrote:
Oh dear, I suspect you are addicted to hate, if you think so.
It is either the Palestinians are integrated into Israeli society or the other way around.
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Survival.@ ATG: For what reason should they embrace peace?
I don't hate Jews. And I would ponder Lisik's arguments had he used legible English to type his posts with. The source of this problem is the government. Look at Arafat, look at Rabin. They're the ones who foster all the hate. What the Palestinians need and what the Israelis need is a good leader who doesn't think like Hitler.fadedsteve wrote:
These forums are FULL of Jew haters. . . .are you serious. . .have you read some of the shit people write in their posts?? cmon!
That guy Lisik on these forums. . .who is from Israel gets ruined by you defeatist Jew hating liberals constantly!
Rabin was doing the right thing.Tetrino wrote:
I don't hate Jews. And I would ponder Lisik's arguments had he used legible English to type his posts with. The source of this problem is the government. Look at Arafat, look at Rabin. They're the ones who foster all the hate. What the Palestinians need and what the Israelis need is a good leader who doesn't think like Hitler.fadedsteve wrote:
These forums are FULL of Jew haters. . . .are you serious. . .have you read some of the shit people write in their posts?? cmon!
That guy Lisik on these forums. . .who is from Israel gets ruined by you defeatist Jew hating liberals constantly!
ATG, I think you're not getting the point: A country that has nothing to lose will do whatever it takes to get what it wants. Thus they will not agree with any one-sided bullshit proposals the Israelis bring.
-konfusion
-konfusion
The real solution:
Pick two islands, one in the pacific, one in the atlantic. Got them? Good.
Put the Palestinians on one island, and the israelis on the other. Don't let anyone build a house in the disputed territory anymore.
Problem.... solved.
Pick two islands, one in the pacific, one in the atlantic. Got them? Good.
Put the Palestinians on one island, and the israelis on the other. Don't let anyone build a house in the disputed territory anymore.
Problem.... solved.
No - you just put the Palestinians in yet another place they don't want to be. They want to have their homes back. And Israel will not leave their "promised land" either.iamangry wrote:
The real solution:
Pick two islands, one in the pacific, one in the atlantic. Got them? Good.
Put the Palestinians on one island, and the israelis on the other. Don't let anyone build a house in the disputed territory anymore.
Problem.... solved.
Promlem..... definitely not solved
-konfusion
Theodore Herzl already had that plan for the Jews, I think at the turn of the century (1900s). The French were even going to give up Madagascar.konfusion wrote:
No - you just put the Palestinians in yet another place they don't want to be. They want to have their homes back. And Israel will not leave their "promised land" either.iamangry wrote:
The real solution:
Pick two islands, one in the pacific, one in the atlantic. Got them? Good.
Put the Palestinians on one island, and the israelis on the other. Don't let anyone build a house in the disputed territory anymore.
Problem.... solved.
Promlem..... definitely not solved
-konfusion
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*shrugs* Just to be cheeky, let's say we moved them both without any of them having their weapons or transportation with them. They'll be stuck on the two separate islands, and then the rest of the world can move on... Problem solved!konfusion wrote:
No - you just put the Palestinians in yet another place they don't want to be. They want to have their homes back. And Israel will not leave their "promised land" either.iamangry wrote:
The real solution:
Pick two islands, one in the pacific, one in the atlantic. Got them? Good.
Put the Palestinians on one island, and the israelis on the other. Don't let anyone build a house in the disputed territory anymore.
Problem.... solved.
Promlem..... definitely not solved
-konfusion
sergeriver wrote:
Rabin was doing the right thing.