Giant_Squid500
Member
+5|7094|U.S.A.
So about two days ago I finally got a joystick for BF2. Ive been playing since BF1942 and never flew a plane in that game.

Ive noticed that when im in a jet it seems really hard to see the people and tanks on the ground, plus it seems hard to get on the tail of an enemy jet because there always turning and flipping and what-not. But somehow people get on my tail and I drop chaif, bank hard and do a quarter flip and turn upright at the top of the loop but I still get blown up.  Or sometimes I end up passing them cause they bank hard even if I don't have a lock on them.  I fly a full throttle nearly the whole time and im thinking that could be part of my problem, but what are some tips for winning dog fights. And while im at it, whats a good technique for bombing targets, I usually guess when to drop bombs and always miss. Ive heard about a "bombing view" but I don't know how to get to it or whatever it is there talking about. So if you would, help with that to.




Stupid Questions:
Whats stats-padding, I think I have a good idea but not sure.
Whats a "n00b Tube" ive never even heard this until I got to these forums.
fdcp_elmo
Rules over Sesamestreet
+5|7177|The Netherlands
answer to stupid questions: stats padding is in a wrong way getting points. you take 2 US, 1 mec and a good hiding spot far from the front

the mec guy kills a US and the other US revives him and mec kills again and US revives again. this way the US medic and the MEC get a LOT points without effort. the victim US keeps 0 points and 0 deaths (due reviving)

a n00b tube is the grenade launcher from the assault. because it is instant death people hate it and named it n00b tube
SpecialOp21
Member
+0|7128|USA
Fly in Bomb mode the majority of the time. To do this, press the number 2 or whatever key you have it bound to. Check the Options -> Controls menu to be sure. This will let you spot the ground targets since it will put a nice big box / triangle around them. This will also help your dogfighting since you can sneak up on an enemy jet without giving them the tell-tale missle lock tone.

As far as losing enemy planes, just fly erratic as hell, and do lots of loops with hard turns. On maps that aren't coated in a dense cloud layer, you can also fly straight towards the sun, which will cause your opponent to lose sight of you.
sHaDy6
DEATH FROM ABOVE
+5|7151|USA
first off NEVER SLOW DOWN!!!! stay full the whole time. 2nd: after you drop your bombs hit rear chase to see where they land. this way you have a better idea of where to drop them when you see your target. dog fights, ehhh im ok at them. if you see someone flyin around like hes drunk and you cant follow him just let him go. never ever ever fly with your missles out. that gives the guy your after a tip off (most good pilots check their backs often anywa) and incase you didnt know how to config' your joystick go to control ops aircraft. go to alt button and push the button on your j/s tht you want to be used for tht spesc' area. same goes for the flight cont'
ToughOmbre359th
Member
+0|7101
I find it better when your bombing to start high, find the target and slope down towards them. This elimates the bombing spread when your flying level.  I find it easier to shoot someone down with the gun. You'll never hit a target with a missle when its making a hard turn. I almost never use my missles unless I know their out of afterburners and flares. When your following someone leave some space, this allows you to follow him alot better and match his moves.  If your right on his ass, you'll lose him shortly.  To counter those kids who fly out of control, I just wait to they re-arm and shoot them down with using the gun first and then switching to my missles really quickly.
Giant_Squid500
Member
+5|7094|U.S.A.
See, thats the problem ToughOmbre, I have a hard time keeping my distance, usually because they'll make a turn and come back in my direction or make a turn in some other odd direction (even when I don't have a lock). Or sometimes i'll get to close to a guy and i'll go out a ways and bank back in to try and give myself some distance only to find them gone.
Str?fe
Member
+0|7098
when your close, and u kno he is out of flares. just shoot a missle without locking. (be sure there is no air target of your own team nearby)
Kamikaze17
Over the line!
+70|7171|Mark it zero.
never ever ever ever shoot a missile if the enemy is following a teammate jet. you will hit your teammate 99% of the time. also make sure there are no other choppers flying anywhere close. one way i get away from them is flying very very high, a lot of times they end up getting lost, or if you go too high you will spin out of control and they will be off of you. you just gotta be able to get back in control and find them fast. also something i do once in a while is slow down in some turns. this makes them get really close to you so when you start doing a lot of turning they will lose you. but this usually only works on beginner pilots, because if you let a good pilot catch up to you, you will get shot to hell with the bullets.
FilthCuervo
Member
+0|7102
Ok, to answer your actual questions in reverse order:

Bomber view... I think they just mean your sights when you have the bombs selected.  When selected, you will see either an upsidedown "T" or an upsidedown "t" depending on your team.  Whatever you are trying to shoot at (be it a square on US or a triangle) you will want the target at the exact cross of the "t or T".  The whole concept of it is to compensate for your speed and angle.  If you do this, you will hit most of the time.  And to back up a second, when I say you will see a "tee", I mean it will be at the bottom of your HUD.  It's an actual part of you normal confusing shit that's blocking your view.

Evading in dogfights... I've been playing many LAN games as well as expert on single player and I can only tell you this:  If you want to aim and evade in the same jet, you will need to throw away your joystick.  I know I will get "flamed" for this but it's true.  The joystick fan club will tell you that you need the precise control, but if you want to evade... you don't want to mess with analog controls.  I have tried both and I have only been undefeated with the good ol' keyboard.  Screw the mouse as well.  Just keyboard.

Killing others in a dogfight... Hmmmm, I never really needed to.  If you can evade and kill ground units at the same time, you don't need to kill the other jet.  He is busy trying to kill you and you are busy killing his buddies... you see where I'm going with this?  Why kill his dumb ass and let some other (better) plane whore take his seat.  Keep his jet occupied with you while you kill his team and your team will thank you.  That's one less jet that's bombing your buddies.

On "Does FilthCuervo Ever Fly Jets?"... very rarely.  But I know what I'm talking about because I do too well when I'm in one.  I have my own fun system where I start at the top of the kits then I go one kit down every time I need to respawn... when I get to the bottom, I go for a plane.  It does well for "team work" points.
Giant_Squid500
Member
+5|7094|U.S.A.
Well I tried the "stay on bombs until your right behind the enemy" trick and it worked. I came up behind this YF-22 and kept on my bombs, then when he started to make a turn I switched to missles and fired about three right at him, the first one hit, the second one missed cause he dropped flares and the third went right up his ass. Then I did one of those things they do in the movies where the plane flies through the wreckage.

But all other attempts after that failed for some reason, either I was switching to bombs to early and they were dropping flairs and my first two missles would go for the flairs and my last one would go right past him. Or I was getting to close and when I fired my missles they were all going right past him. WTF.
=SoG=PredatoR
Member
+3|7179|Austin, Texas
My suggestion would be to dogfight in BF1942. It may sound rediculous but it is what worked for me. Even with a joysick in BF2 (I'm typically a keyboare *no mouse* flyer), I would never be able to hit their plane. But after going into 1942 and learning how to stay on the tail of a computer player for minutes on end, it has enhanced my BF2 flying skills.
(BRU)Timothy
Member
+5|7109|Pennsylvania - Hershey!
One good dog fight tip:  If you see a fighter/bomber drop there bombs on some ally of yours, there is a good chance they will fly right back to their airfield to re-arm,  therefore, in your bomber HUD, fly behind them as they go back to their base.  Right as they go down to re-arm, swich to the fighter HUD, and lock on them. Many times I have done this, but they just fly straight because they want there bombs.  When they do this, use your machine gun and just blow them away. If they are smart, they will forget about the bombs and will concentrate on you, but if they are stupid, they will just drop their flares and let your machine gun chew them up.

But always remember, use your machine gun!  If you get good at this, you can just fly behind them and stay in bomber HUD and destroy them. 

Generally, when I am flying an f-35, mig 29, or j-10 I will fly fairly high into the air in my bomber HUD.  Then when I see a target I will do a nose dive.  This is really effective if they are not moving at all.  That will maximize your bombs to do the most damage.  The reason I say this is because you only have two bombs, therfore, you really can't carpet bomb with these planes.

Last edited by (BRU)Timothy (2006-01-21 12:36:48)

morbesso666
Member
+0|7186|Givataim, Israel

fdcp_elmo wrote:

answer to stupid questions: stats padding is in a wrong way getting points. you take 2 US, 1 mec and a good hiding spot far from the front

the mec guy kills a US and the other US revives him and mec kills again and US revives again. this way the US medic and the MEC get a LOT points without effort. the victim US keeps 0 points and 0 deaths (due reviving)

a n00b tube is the grenade launcher from the assault. because it is instant death people hate it and named it n00b tube
About the MATOL\Grenade Launcher, in real life it only explodes after 15 meters in the air.
For example, in the game you can suicide with it and use it close combat.
In real life not so I don't understand why didn't someone write a letter to EA or something, except being not realistic (which I don't care much about) it's too easy kill. When I need high score I use it too, I admit, but people always use assault because of this, so for the sake of balance make it not explode before some length.
Erwin_Rommel188
Member
+59|7107|Seattle

morbesso666 wrote:

fdcp_elmo wrote:

answer to stupid questions: stats padding is in a wrong way getting points. you take 2 US, 1 mec and a good hiding spot far from the front

the mec guy kills a US and the other US revives him and mec kills again and US revives again. this way the US medic and the MEC get a LOT points without effort. the victim US keeps 0 points and 0 deaths (due reviving)

a n00b tube is the grenade launcher from the assault. because it is instant death people hate it and named it n00b tube
About the MATOL\Grenade Launcher, in real life it only explodes after 15 meters in the air.
For example, in the game you can suicide with it and use it close combat.
In real life not so I don't understand why didn't someone write a letter to EA or something, except being not realistic (which I don't care much about) it's too easy kill. When I need high score I use it too, I admit, but people always use assault because of this, so for the sake of balance make it not explode before some length.
I do believe that the next patch will adress this.

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