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2007-01-10 04:46:19
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7205|Argentina
Political correctness (also politically correct or PC) is a term used to describe language or behavior which is claimed to be calculated to provide a minimum of offense, particularly to racial, cultural, or other identity groups. The concept is not exclusive to the English language.

Some issues can be quite offensive, but others are pretty stupid and don't deserve PC like saying Merry Xmas.

When does PC get annoying?
How does PC affect your Freedom of Speech?
Which are the limits of PC and Freedom of Speech?

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-01-10 05:51:13)

2007-01-10 06:12:07
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|7003
You can't have a definition of political correctness that holds universally and indefinitely. Political correctness is a function of time, place, social climate, environment, culture, etc.

Modern western political correctness is annoying when it affects indigenous culture and heritage in a needless way. The boundaries of most political correctness should lie within the political arena: i.e., the secularity and even-handedness of state institutions should not be compromised. Extending political correctness into other facets of everyday life is sometimes good, sometimes bad - there are too many examples of each to go into.

As for freedom of speech:

You should be allowed to say whatever you want, whenever you like. Perhaps you should not be allowed to address particular people directly but you should be allowed to make your views known in a general way - e.g. you shouldn't be allowed to throw provocative racial slurs directly at someone of another race as they pass you in the street, but if you are a genuine racist you should be allowed to state your views to people who want to hear them.

Words never hurt anyone, only actions. As long as 'questionable' actions remain against the law there should be no problem with almost total freedom of speech.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-10 06:16:42)

2007-05-09 10:49:21
daddyofdeath
A REAL Combat Engineer in the house
+187|6701|UK Bradford W,Yorks. Age 27
Political correctness is too far when the powers-that-be ban nursery rhymes such as baa baa black sheep, or ban other terms such as black bin liners, or blackboards. Or you cannot have an ornamental pig in your window in a muslim area.  Where does it stop? Councils banning  Christmas and decorations in the place of work!!! Ridiculous.

It seems to me the 'whites' are being more and more oppressed and too afraid to say anything anymore in case of offending someone or other.

Last edited by daddyofdeath (2007-05-09 10:51:19)

2007-05-09 11:32:51
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7097

I don't understand the Xmas thing. X stands for cross, not Christ. It's not called crossmass. Or are we supposed to call it crossmas but then write it with an X to make us look gnarly and rad?
2007-05-09 11:38:27
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6893|The Land of Scott Walker

ghettoperson wrote:

I don't understand the Xmas thing. X stands for cross, not Christ. It's not called crossmass. Or are we supposed to call it crossmas but then write it with an X to make us look gnarly and rad?
No, we're supposed to call it Christmas instead of taking Christ out of the equation.  Christ really is the "reason for the season".
2007-05-09 11:40:26
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7097

Stingray24 wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

I don't understand the Xmas thing. X stands for cross, not Christ. It's not called crossmass. Or are we supposed to call it crossmas but then write it with an X to make us look gnarly and rad?
No, we're supposed to call it Christmas instead of taking Christ out of the equation.  Christ really is the "reason for the season".
Well, technically Pagans are the 'reason for the season', but he's the reason for the name which was then attached to the season.
2007-05-09 11:42:31
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6893|The Land of Scott Walker

ghettoperson wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

I don't understand the Xmas thing. X stands for cross, not Christ. It's not called crossmass. Or are we supposed to call it crossmas but then write it with an X to make us look gnarly and rad?
No, we're supposed to call it Christmas instead of taking Christ out of the equation.  Christ really is the "reason for the season".
Well, technically Pagans are the 'reason for the season', but he's the reason for the name which was then attached to the season.
In any case, Christmas is a part of my culture and it annoys me when people insists on hacking up the name in their zeal to be non-religious.
2007-05-09 11:46:01
jord
Member
+2,382|7126|The North, beyond the wall.
Some towns won't have Christmas trees in public ares,or the word.

Who gets offended by a tree!?
2007-05-09 11:47:05
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6990|Texas - Bigger than France
The problems asked in the opening post basically relate to the definition of what political correctness is - and it's all opinion based on point of view.

Or the short version for laughs:
The Prob ? in OP = def of PC & op = POV.

I PC b/c of people being to lazy to spell it out.  Plus I worked with a dude who kept telling me to "Be more PC or I'm voting you off the Island".  I couldn't fire him for being annoying, but I tried.
2007-05-09 11:55:19
Switch
Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6911|Tyne & Wear, England
PC gets annoying when you must refer to Christmas as 'Winter Holiday' and Christmas Lunch as 'Winter Feast', so that you don't offend the minorities within a particular group.

PC gets annoying when you are not allowed to put up The St. Georges Cross, during the World Cup in order to support the English football team, so that you don't offend those same minorities.  Erm, we are in England aren't we?!?

Both examples refer to the rules imposed by my stepfathers Fire Station.
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2007-05-09 12:02:16
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6738|Éire

CameronPoe wrote:

You can't have a definition of political correctness that holds universally and indefinitely. Political correctness is a function of time, place, social climate, environment, culture, etc.

Modern western political correctness is annoying when it affects indigenous culture and heritage in a needless way. The boundaries of most political correctness should lie within the political arena: i.e., the secularity and even-handedness of state institutions should not be compromised. Extending political correctness into other facets of everyday life is sometimes good, sometimes bad - there are too many examples of each to go into.

As for freedom of speech:

You should be allowed to say whatever you want, whenever you like. Perhaps you should not be allowed to address particular people directly but you should be allowed to make your views known in a general way - e.g. you shouldn't be allowed to throw provocative racial slurs directly at someone of another race as they pass you in the street, but if you are a genuine racist you should be allowed to state your views to people who want to hear them.

Words never hurt anyone, only actions. As long as 'questionable' actions remain against the law there should be no problem with almost total freedom of speech.
I agree pretty much with all of Cams statement. Political correctness should always be applied with a large dose of common sense.
2007-05-09 14:12:44
paranoid101
Ambitious but Rubbish
+540|7187
The said thing is that most of the Political Correctness comes from middle class white people here in the UK and most of the time the Minority's that they think will be effected are shaking their heads wondering what all the fuss is about and really don't mind that we call Christmas well err Christmas, or that fire stations what to put up the Saint Georges cross, etc......
2007-05-09 16:27:17
Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6809|Vancouver

ghettoperson wrote:

I don't understand the Xmas thing. X stands for cross, not Christ. It's not called crossmass. Or are we supposed to call it crossmas but then write it with an X to make us look gnarly and rad?
Quite incorrect.

The 'X' of Xmas is not just to look cool and hip. It is meant to stand for Chi, a Greek letter represented by a character similar to X, and is simply shorthand for 'Christ'. This is one of the most misrepresented myths of Christians being persecuted. Besdies, a cross is a 't', is it not?

I too often laugh at many of these claims that whites are being persecuted. We don't have much else to do but complain and pretend that we are the most persecuted group. Try being someone else, and see how they have to deal with being a different race, religion, or sex. Personally, I have never been affected by any political correctness that borders on discrimination or ridiculousness. Nor have I heard of any such thing anywhere but random stories of interest from around the world, seemingly isolated incidents. More often, I hear of others accomodating for traditional North American values, such as Jews wishing others a Merry Christmas. Here in Vancouver, one of the greatest atheist cities in the world, we have a strong tradition of secular Christmas, and that is what it is called. No 'Winter Holidays'. Flags fly from all nations around the city without incident. We truly have it very good.
2007-05-09 17:19:22
HunterOfSkulls
Rated EC-10
+246|6727

Stingray24 wrote:

In any case, Christmas is a part of my culture and it annoys me when people insists on hacking up the name in their zeal to be non-religious.
How about "Happy Holidays" then? Oh wait, that's apparently considered a declaration of war in some circles, nevermind.

Ah, Political Correctness. The eeeeeevil left trying to remove religion from society, criminalize thought and all that good boogeyman stuff. It's so bad you can't even refer to someone with a racial slur without people getting all uppity and maybe even losing your job. I mean seriously folks, what kind of world are we living in where a red-blooded American man can't refer to people with time-honored slang like "fag" or "beaner" or "porch monkey"? Next thing you'll be telling me is that we have to actually show consideration for other people around us like it's Soviet Russia or something. Makes me long for the good old days when all those inferiors knew their place and didn't dare to utter a peep about whatever you called them.

(for the slow among you, the above is sarcasm and satire laid on with a shovel, so think before you click the 'report' button and thank you for your cooperation)
2007-05-09 18:06:37
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6853|North Carolina

sergeriver wrote:

Political correctness (also politically correct or PC) is a term used to describe language or behavior which is claimed to be calculated to provide a minimum of offense, particularly to racial, cultural, or other identity groups. The concept is not exclusive to the English language.

Some issues can be quite offensive, but others are pretty stupid and don't deserve PC like saying Merry Xmas.

When does PC get annoying?
How does PC affect your Freedom of Speech?
Which are the limits of PC and Freedom of Speech?
My personal limit is where the WBC goes.  Fuck those bastards.  I don't think people should be allowed to harass those who are grieving.

 

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