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What if Bush truly believes in what he is doing. What if he has convinced himself success is possible even at this state. It might be ignorance, it might be conviction. True beliefs we will never know.

Kmarion wrote:

First off welcome to the D&ST section.

What if Bush truly believes in what he is doing. What if he has convinced himself success is possible even at this state. It might be ignorance, it might be conviction. True beliefs we will never know.

Please, don't be naive. 
1-Why do you think he went there?
2-Define success back in 2003.
3-Define success today.

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

First off welcome to the D&ST section.

What if Bush truly believes in what he is doing. What if he has convinced himself success is possible even at this state. It might be ignorance, it might be conviction. True beliefs we will never know.

Please, don't be naive. 
1-Why do you think he went there?
2-Define success back in 2003.
3-Define success today.

Naive would be to think we know the most internal thoughts of any human brain.
Why do you think he went there.. pull the oil card, I dare ya.

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

First off welcome to the D&ST section.

What if Bush truly believes in what he is doing. What if he has convinced himself success is possible even at this state. It might be ignorance, it might be conviction. True beliefs we will never know.

Please, don't be naive. 
1-Why do you think he went there?
2-Define success back in 2003.
3-Define success today.

Naive would be to think we know the most internal thoughts of any human brain.
Why do you think he went there.. pull the oil card, I dare ya.

Oil.
Why do you think he went there?  Pull the Democracy card, I dare ya.

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Please, don't be naive. 
1-Why do you think he went there?
2-Define success back in 2003.
3-Define success today.

Naive would be to think we know the most internal thoughts of any human brain.
Why do you think he went there.. pull the oil card, I dare ya.

Oil.
Why do you think he went there?  Pull the Democracy card, I dare ya.

Ahh but you see good buddy I wasn't claiming to know with absolute confidence. (I refer you to my original post)
True beliefs we will never know.

We can theorize all we want.

If it were just about oil we could have taken Baghdad during the first gulf war when we had the entire support of the world behind us. Do you think OPEC is going to stop supplying the US? Do you think the royal family is willing to give up a single palace? Here is some breaking news, Oil is their only major export and they are more than willing to continue to sell their countrymen out while supplying the west. Four years later gas prices are higher now than ever. Are we building some secret pipeline to funnel the oil over to our refineries? Or are we just pulling our humvees right up to the oil fields to fuel up? The truth is we have created specific executive orders to ensure that the Iraqi's are not exploited while they try to figure out how they are going to legislate their oil and encourage foreign investors. (They need the revenue to get off our dependence financially)

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Naive would be to think we know the most internal thoughts of any human brain.
Why do you think he went there.. pull the oil card, I dare ya.

Oil.
Why do you think he went there?  Pull the Democracy card, I dare ya.

Ahh but you see good buddy I wasn't claiming to know with absolute confidence. (I refer you to my original post)
True beliefs we will never know.

We can theorize all we want.

If it were just about oil we could have taken Baghdad during the first gulf war when we had the entire support of the world behind us. Do you think OPEC is going to stop supplying the US? Do you think the royal family is willing to give up a single palace? Here is some breaking news, Oil is their only major export and they are more than willing to continue to sell their countrymen out while supplying the west. Four years later gas prices are higher now than ever. Are we building some secret pipeline to funnel the oil over to our refineries? Or are we just pulling our humvees right up to the oil fields to fuel up? The truth is we have created specific executive orders to ensure that the Iraqi's are not exploited while they try to figure out how they are going to legislate their oil and encourage foreign investors. (They need the revenue to get off our dependence financially)

Do you really think they went there to lower the price of oil for you, lol?  They went there to increase their profits.

When the nation's three biggest oil companies - Exxon Mobil (Charts, Fortune 500), Chevron (Charts, Fortune 500) and ConocoPhillips (Charts, Fortune 500) - report results later this week, the numbers could again be staggering. In 2006, the three companies earned nearly as much as the other seven companies in the top 10 on the Fortune 500.  And with consumers forking over $3 a gallon or more for gas in many parts of the country, the public outcry over the profits could be loud.

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-05-09 16:33:12)

konfusion wrote:

I think it has less to do with his pride than with his beliefs. He believes he has done the right thing, and still believes it.

i'm stepping on a limb with this, but there might be some truth here.  did he do the 'right thing' based on the intel he had at the time?  this is a whole new topic, but maybe the misleading, if that was the case, started 'higher up' than the presidency.  if he was misled, i believe he did the right thing immediately following 9-11,  but as Kmarion said, we will never know.

Last edited by CoronadoSEAL (2007-05-09 17:01:20)

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Oil.
Why do you think he went there?  Pull the Democracy card, I dare ya.

Ahh but you see good buddy I wasn't claiming to know with absolute confidence. (I refer you to my original post)
True beliefs we will never know.

We can theorize all we want.

If it were just about oil we could have taken Baghdad during the first gulf war when we had the entire support of the world behind us. Do you think OPEC is going to stop supplying the US? Do you think the royal family is willing to give up a single palace? Here is some breaking news, Oil is their only major export and they are more than willing to continue to sell their countrymen out while supplying the west. Four years later gas prices are higher now than ever. Are we building some secret pipeline to funnel the oil over to our refineries? Or are we just pulling our humvees right up to the oil fields to fuel up? The truth is we have created specific executive orders to ensure that the Iraqi's are not exploited while they try to figure out how they are going to legislate their oil and encourage foreign investors. (They need the revenue to get off our dependence financially)

Do you really think they went there to lower the price of oil for you, lol?  They went there to increase their profits.

When the nation's three biggest oil companies - Exxon Mobil (Charts, Fortune 500), Chevron (Charts, Fortune 500) and ConocoPhillips (Charts, Fortune 500) - report results later this week, the numbers could again be staggering. In 2006, the three companies earned nearly as much as the other seven companies in the top 10 on the Fortune 500.  And with consumers forking over $3 a gallon or more for gas in many parts of the country, the public outcry over the profits could be loud.

And you think this is because the Iraq war...lol funny stuff. If you hadn't noticed Iraq's oil production is down considering where it was pre-war. You should probably know that American oil companies such as those you listed make most of their money off the refining process. A big gaping hole in your logic. Insert some common sense rather than the weak generalization that since there is oil in Iraq and oil companies are profitable "that must be the reason we invaded". How is getting less oil in an unsecured area controlled ENTIRELY by Sunnis and Kurds increasing their profit? Let that one sink in for a minute. Profits will be whatever they want irregardless. The oil execs don't have shit on what the Kings of the Oil Kingdom can do when they decide they want to turn the supply off.  When supply is cut by the real people who have some control "OPEC" guess what, the cost is passed immediately to the consumer (and vice versa). You owe it to your fellow Bush haters to at least put forth a more plausible explanation for the motivation. There are plenty of other reasonable choices that allow you to use greed and power as your platform.

farmerfez wrote:

Hey, this is my first post in D&ST so please excuse any errors or if its not up to standards.

OK, onto the topic. I feel president Bush should swallow his foolish pride and admit he was wrong in attacking Iraq. I think more people would respect him and support him. The catch is however he would have to pull out which is why i say swallow his pride. The whole reason we're there is because of his foolish pride and not manning up and admitting he made a mistake in entering Iraq.

Discuss!!!

Iraq was made with a blitzkreig strategy in mind. our forces are like german forces , able to smash and bash but not occupy. We can not "win" the war on terrorism as terrorism will always be around, but we can quell terrorism. In fact did you know that we have gotten support from most iraqis on what we are doing? Did you know that almost all of the terrorist in iraq are from checneya, saudi arabia, iran, jordan, lebonan, palestien, pakastan, and syria? The fact is that the war in iraq is a proxy battle for the war on terrorism. Now i dont like bush but i would rather fight a proxy battle than fight it here on the homefront.

CameronPoe wrote:

Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:

Iraq was made with a blitzkreig strategy in mind. our forces are like german forces , able to smash and bash but not occupy. We can not "win" the war on terrorism as terrorism will always be around, but we can quell terrorism. In fact did you know that we have gotten support from most iraqis on what we are doing? Did you know that almost all of the terrorist in iraq are from checneya, saudi arabia, iran, jordan, lebonan, palestien, pakastan, and syria? The fact is that the war in iraq is a proxy battle for the war on terrorism. Now i dont like bush but i would rather fight a proxy battle than fight it here on the homefront.

Wow. Almost all? Where did you get the info from? Are you in the CIA? You don't have to tell me if it's classified. lol

Didn't some guys in New Jersey plan to blow up an army barracks in the US lately? How did they manage to slip out of Iraq without you guys noticing? lol

This place gets more hilarious by the minute.

PS Palestinians can't even visit neighbouring towns let alone Iraq....

You think that cam but youd be dead wrong. Most of the influence of terrorism in iraq is from outside influences. And that thing in jersey actually proves my point that most terrorist influences come from outside iraq. thanks for your support cam.

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Ahh but you see good buddy I wasn't claiming to know with absolute confidence. (I refer you to my original post)
True beliefs we will never know.

We can theorize all we want.

If it were just about oil we could have taken Baghdad during the first gulf war when we had the entire support of the world behind us. Do you think OPEC is going to stop supplying the US? Do you think the royal family is willing to give up a single palace? Here is some breaking news, Oil is their only major export and they are more than willing to continue to sell their countrymen out while supplying the west. Four years later gas prices are higher now than ever. Are we building some secret pipeline to funnel the oil over to our refineries? Or are we just pulling our humvees right up to the oil fields to fuel up? The truth is we have created specific executive orders to ensure that the Iraqi's are not exploited while they try to figure out how they are going to legislate their oil and encourage foreign investors. (They need the revenue to get off our dependence financially)

Do you really think they went there to lower the price of oil for you, lol?  They went there to increase their profits.

When the nation's three biggest oil companies - Exxon Mobil (Charts, Fortune 500), Chevron (Charts, Fortune 500) and ConocoPhillips (Charts, Fortune 500) - report results later this week, the numbers could again be staggering. In 2006, the three companies earned nearly as much as the other seven companies in the top 10 on the Fortune 500.  And with consumers forking over $3 a gallon or more for gas in many parts of the country, the public outcry over the profits could be loud.

And you think this is because the Iraq war...lol funny stuff. If you hadn't noticed Iraq's oil production is down considering where it was pre-war. You should probably know that American oil companies such as those you listed make most of their money off the refining process. A big gaping hole in your logic. Insert some common sense rather than the weak generalization that since there is oil in Iraq and oil companies are profitable "that must be the reason we invaded". How is getting less oil in an unsecured area controlled ENTIRELY by Sunnis and Kurds increasing their profit? Let that one sink in for a minute. Profits will be whatever they want irregardless. The oil execs don't have shit on what the Kings of the Oil Kingdom can do when they decide they want to turn the supply off.  When supply is cut by the real people who have some control "OPEC" guess what, the cost is passed immediately to the consumer (and vice versa). You owe it to your fellow Bush haters to at least put forth a more plausible explanation for the motivation. There are plenty of other reasonable choices that allow you to use greed and power as your platform.

Iraq's massive oil reserves may be thrown open for large-scale exploitation by Western oil companies - which could end up grabbing up to 75% of the beleagured nation's oil profits - under a law seen coming before the Iraqi parliament within days, the Independent reported on its Web site Monday.  A draft of this controversial law, which the U.S. government has been helping to craft and has been seen by the Independent, would give oil giants such as BP PLC (BP), Royal Dutch Shell PLC (RDSA) and ExxonMobil Corp. (XOM) 30-year contracts to extract Iraqi crude and let these foreign oil companies undertake their first large-scale operations in the country since the industry was nationalized.

CameronPoe wrote:

Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Wow. Almost all? Where did you get the info from? Are you in the CIA? You don't have to tell me if it's classified. lol

Didn't some guys in New Jersey plan to blow up an army barracks in the US lately? How did they manage to slip out of Iraq without you guys noticing? lol

This place gets more hilarious by the minute.

PS Palestinians can't even visit neighbouring towns let alone Iraq....

You think that cam but youd be dead wrong. Most of the influence of terrorism in iraq is from outside influences. And that thing in jersey actually proves my point that most terrorist influences come from outside iraq. thanks for your support cam.

I thought one of them was a US citizen? And weren't four of them from Europe, one from Turkey and one from Jordan. What are you gonna do? Attack the EU now? lol

Your southern border is like a 'come get me' to jihadists. Iraq is just a charade.

They were Kosovo  ( Bosnia Hertzgavina) rebels that illegaly snuk into the United States. get your facts straight cam.