BF2S Forums Lifestyles should be punishable

Vegans should be punished full stop. Same for vegetarians, although I can accept it because it means there is more meat for me.

My Sister in Law is a vegan, but her kids are Vegetarian. Its a lifestyle choice yes, but it takes allot of work.
She knows everything about every food you can think off. She spends most of the day cooking and making sure that the meals she cooks tick all the nutritional boxes. Her food is excellent and her kids are very healthy.
She studied it extensively and came to the conclusion that kids need diary products eggs etc to develop properly. The family has been in the paper a few times. Their dog is vegetarian which I don't agree with.

Anyway, if your going to force vegan your kids, you need to be on the ball and not a lazy hippy bastard. These tools should be punished in some way for what they done, fuck sakes the child was just over 3pounds when dead. Life in prison is too harsh tho.

Stingray24 wrote:

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Do you think that people who live certain lifestyles like vegans, vegetarians, religious people etc should face punishment if their "morals" cause pain and suffering to other?

Read this, a couple that killed their baby through their vegan diet and refusal to give it the nutrients it needs and then didn't take him to hospital because they few them as being "full of germs".  Surely you shouldn't be able to use your lifestyle views as a defence like this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6642543.stm

These parent should not be charged with murder, that’s ridiculous.  They were inexperienced new parents who loved their child and did what they thought was right to feed him.  It's not as if they were willfully starving him.  Unless you've experienced being a new parent you have NO clue what it’s like to have a new life dependent on you when no one is around to help and tell you what to do.

But come on, you don't force your lifestyle choice on your kids like that, especially before they are old enough to even think for themselves.

Stingray24 wrote:

These parent should not be charged with murder, that’s ridiculous.  They were inexperienced new parents who loved their child and did what they thought was right to feed him.  It's not as if they were willfully starving him.

I believe when you murder someone, but didn't do it with malice, our legal system calls it manslaughter. Also, ignorance is NEVER an excuse in our legal system.

Stingray24 wrote:

Unless you've experienced being a new parent you have NO clue what it’s like to have a new life dependent on you when no one is around to help and tell you what to do.

See, that's the thing, our society provides a shit load of resources for new parents -- and a lot of them for free. There's no valid reason for these people to claim that they couldn't have known better, because they most certainly could have.


As for the OP: I don't think certain lifestyles should be punished per se, but their repercussions on other people should be.

ghettoperson wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Do you think that people who live certain lifestyles like vegans, vegetarians, religious people etc should face punishment if their "morals" cause pain and suffering to other?

Read this, a couple that killed their baby through their vegan diet and refusal to give it the nutrients it needs and then didn't take him to hospital because they few them as being "full of germs".  Surely you shouldn't be able to use your lifestyle views as a defence like this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6642543.stm

These parent should not be charged with murder, that’s ridiculous.  They were inexperienced new parents who loved their child and did what they thought was right to feed him.  It's not as if they were willfully starving him.  Unless you've experienced being a new parent you have NO clue what it’s like to have a new life dependent on you when no one is around to help and tell you what to do.

But come on, you don't force your lifestyle choice on your kids like that, especially before they are old enough to even think for themselves.

I would say all children getting forced in the lifestyle of their parents. At least between the age of 0-14. Then some of them start/try to define their own lifestyle.

Edit: And yes, the parents should be punished. They killed their child with their own ignorance.

Last edited by Zodiaccup (2007-05-10 09:33:07)

Stingray24 wrote:

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Do you think that people who live certain lifestyles like vegans, vegetarians, religious people etc should face punishment if their "morals" cause pain and suffering to other?

Read this, a couple that killed their baby through their vegan diet and refusal to give it the nutrients it needs and then didn't take him to hospital because they few them as being "full of germs".  Surely you shouldn't be able to use your lifestyle views as a defence like this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6642543.stm

These parent should not be charged with murder, that’s ridiculous.  They were inexperienced new parents who loved their child and did what they thought was right to feed him.  It's not as if they were willfully starving him.  Unless you've experienced being a new parent you have NO clue what it’s like to have a new life dependent on you when no one is around to help and tell you what to do.

I believe every parent knows instinctively whats right and whats wrong, it was WRONG to try feed a baby the wrong food. It IS punishable and should be. Its a form of cruelty. I was a new parent once and have 2 great healthy girls, I read all the pamphlets and all the books on bringing children up that I could get my hands on. Theres NO EXCUSE for what that poor little child died from. The child died from hunger, plain and simple.
Ps/ There is help out there and should have got the help they deserved, so maybe a portion of blame can be placed at the feet of the social services/health visitors/follow on medical services. Theres gotta be some warning signals flashing somewhere that maybe someone chose to ignore.

Last edited by daddyofdeath (2007-05-10 09:48:36)

Stingray24 wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

These parent should not be charged with murder, that’s ridiculous.  They were inexperienced new parents who loved their child and did what they thought was right to feed him.  It's not as if they were willfully starving him.  Unless you've experienced being a new parent you have NO clue what it’s like to have a new life dependent on you when no one is around to help and tell you what to do.

But come on, you don't force your lifestyle choice on your kids like that, especially before they are old enough to even think for themselves.

Every parent on this earth "forces" a lifestyle on their child.  We're debating whether these parents should be punished because their child died.

Yes they should, because in this case forcing that lifestyle killed the child.

i can kinda understand these people and why this happened, first of all, if you were a veggie and you hated meat  and thought it was very cruel to eat animals, would you then buy a beef/whatever and prepare it for your child if it was totally against your beliefs and morals (some of these people see it as killing a dog everytime you prepare a piece of meat). i just know that i wouldn't do anything against my beliefs.
then again these parents should have seen the warning signs and they should have done a better research into their food source before trying to feed their baby it, they should also have went to the doctor, but i don't think you should punish them for doing this since they didn't mean to do it it was just their way of life to eat this way, the thing they should get should be a psyciatrist or something to help them pass their grief for the loss of their child,
and if they shall have another child again they must be able to prove that they know how to feed him/her properly with their own food so that the child doesn't suffer.

Lifestyles shouldnt be punished. Vegans shouldnt be punished.

This couple, should be - and have been. I dont care who you are, what you do or what you believe in. If you neglect anybody, especially a baby in this kind of manner, you deserve to be punished by the legal system.

They were originally raised as a kid, and that involved eating meat and other products required to make a healthy, living person. If they really do claim that "they loved" the baby, then they would have spared their lifestyle to bring that baby up in a healthy, livable state. Not neglect it the vital nutrients required to grow.

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

what kind of free country would it be if you were punished because you didn't share the same opinion?
It probably seems appealing to you, being the one who holds this "Correct Opinion" but what about the people who believe something else?

What if, the religion-entangled government started punishing atheist's lifestyles because they didn't believe in god?

It just really doesn't make sense bud.

That's very beautiful and theological but there is an accepted shared morality amongst us all, without it we wouldn't have laws.  A group of people who give themselves a name, immediately start saying we are different to the norm and so a vegetarian is considered to live an alternative lifestyle.  They are allowed to do that but we are discussing what happens when that then leads to a possible death.  If I were put in jail for being atheist it would be a different circumstance; but if I were in jail because I believed that murder was OK because of my atheism then I should be in jail because I am going against our shared morality.

With all due respect, last time i checked Vegans and Vegetarians kept to themselves to a respectable level.
It's the religious that seem to have a radical outbreak that is passed of as acceptable at times. But, jailing a creationist because of what he believes (and like 90% of the world) would cause a major disturbance thus, it would never happen.

Your ideas are based on an intelligent concept, but as of now, there aren't extreme groups breaking any laws to an extent that they should be jailed BEFORE breaking laws. (to my knowledge)

Last edited by Dezerteagal5 (2007-05-10 15:09:22)

Damn hippies.

I don't understand vegans. Vegetarians I disagree with, but I can understand not wanting to kill animals and eat them. But no animal products that's just mental, why?

Bertster7 wrote:

Damn hippies.

I don't understand vegans. Vegetarians I disagree with, but I can understand not wanting to kill animals and eat them. But no animal products that's just mental, why?

No suffering for the animals.  Anything with a central nervous system if you go extreme.

I don't hate vegans or vegetarians, just like I don't hate Christians.  It's the ones that tell you they are better than you and/or feel self-righteous about it that I fucking hate.  I have no problem eating livestock that is raised specifically to be killed.  I have qualms about the preparation and living conditions of said animals, and of most of my food in general, but I use my pocketbook to voice my opinion on that matter.

It's a dietary choice, not an enlightened way to live, you know?