CameronPoe
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I was just thinking to myself: what a 'godsend' that John Kerry wasn't elected president of the United States of America. 'Why?', you might ask. Well it's simple. It wsa necessary to allow Bush to completely and utterly destroy himself, the credibility of the neo-conservative movement and be seen to be in charge when the inevitable failure of his foreign dalliances came to pass. If Kerry had got into power Republicans would be able to palm off a portion of the blame on the Democrat party with their predictable 'Defeatist' bullshit with the Democrats no doubt changing tack on what had gone previously. The way things turned out we got to see Bush and his cronies implode and allow the American public to 'see the light' as regards their errant foreign policy and who should carry the blame.

Thank you for electing President GW Bush America. You did yourselves a favour by allowing yourselves to be taught a valuable lesson in the realities of the 'outside world' and baseless pre-emptive war.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-05-14 17:02:33)

Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7153
Thank fuck?  Gee you sound smart...
Havok
Nymphomaniac Treatment Specialist
+302|7122|Florida, United States

CameronPoe wrote:

I was just thinking to myself: what a 'godsend' that John Kerry wasn't elected president of the United States of America. 'Why?', you might ask. Well it's simple. It was necessary to allow Bush to completely and utterly destroy himself, the credibility of the neo-conservative movement and be seen to be in charge when the inevitable failure of his foreign dalliances came to pass. If Kerry had got into power Republicans would be able to palm off a portion of the blame on the Democrat party with their predictable 'Defeatist' bullshit with the Democrats no doubt changing tack on what had gone previously. The way things turned out we got to see Bush and his cronies implode and allow the American public to 'see the light' as regards their errant foreign policy and who should carry the blame.

Thank you for electing President GW Bush America. You did yourselves a favour by allowing yourselves to be taught a valuable lesson.
So you're saying that it's a good thing we picked a loser president?  I fail to see how this favor's our nation as a whole.  We learned not to trust an entire political movement (neo-conservatism) based on the actions of one man.  I'm not the brightest crayon in the box when it comes to politics, but I'm sure not all neo-conservatives are as bad as Bush.  He just dealt with Iraq the wrong way, which in turn ruined the view of the entire party that shared his political beliefs.
CameronPoe
Member
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Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Thank fuck?  Gee you sound smart...
Care to address the content of the OP? 'Thank fuck' is an Irish expression - I thought it was used elsewhere - apologies.
13rin
Member
+977|6926

CameronPoe wrote:

I was just thinking to myself: what a 'godsend' that John Kerry wasn't elected president of the United States of America. 'Why?', you might ask. Well it's simple. It wsa necessary to allow Bush to completely and utterly destroy himself, the credibility of the neo-conservative movement and be seen to be in charge when the inevitable failure of his foreign dalliances came to pass. If Kerry had got into power Republicans would be able to palm off a portion of the blame on the Democrat party with their predictable 'Defeatist' bullshit with the Democrats no doubt changing tack on what had gone previously. The way things turned out we got to see Bush and his cronies implode and allow the American public to 'see the light' as regards their errant foreign policy and who should carry the blame.

Thank you for electing President GW Bush America. You did yourselves a favour by allowing yourselves to be taught a valuable lesson in the realities of the 'outside world' and baseless pre-emptive war.
Hey LOOK Everybody!! It's another condescending "Bush hating" thread by Cam!

You forget that Kerry voted for the war?  before he voted against it....
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7154|67.222.138.85
If that's the light, the dark is awfully bright.
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6938|Menlo Park, CA
jesus christ. . . . .

One man doesn't sum up an entire political party (Republican)!!! I am a Republican and take offense to your bullshit assessment!

Why dont you go get some sun!!! Maybe you'll lighten up!
acEofspadEs6313
Shiny! Let's be bad guys.
+102|7139|NAS Jacksonville, Florida
Eventually something will make it so the Democrats are looked at as the "bad guys" and the Republicans are the "saviors." I wonder what all the anti-Bush people will do when that happens.
CameronPoe
Member
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Havok wrote:

So you're saying that it's a good thing we picked a loser president?  I fail to see how this favor's our nation as a whole.  We learned not to trust an entire political movement (neo-conservatism) based on the actions of one man.  I'm not the brightest crayon in the box when it comes to politics, but I'm sure not all neo-conservatives are as bad as Bush.  He just dealt with Iraq the wrong way, which in turn ruined the view of the entire party that shared his political beliefs.
If you think GW Bush was some mastermind of everything that drove foreign policy then you don't know politics very well. Backers, advisers, personal choices and interest groups all play a part. The driving group behind him was the PNAC - the Project For The New American Century - a movement which hijacked the Republican party and took far more hardline an approach to conservative principles (and paradoxically abandoning certain other principles).

His politics of intervention and 'regime change' have failed and America needed to be taught that their military and political might cannot affect change very effectively and all too often will just end up making things far far worse than they were originally. American needed to be taught this lesson and the instigators had to be left in power to see through the debacle and complete that lesson.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-05-14 17:12:46)

oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6966|Πάϊ
On a more pessimist note, I was wondering... after all this shit has gone by, has the neo-conservative movement really lost its strength? Because if you gather up all those things the US and the world has suffered from this government, I'd say they're holding up pretty good. And this being the case, what the fuck will it take for the people to really wake up and do something drastic?
ƒ³
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6915
If Kerry was elected we would not have gotten 4 more years of making fun of Bush, who is pretty much a walking, talking, brush clearing punch line. That and what Cameron said.
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6966|Πάϊ

Havok wrote:

We learned not to trust an entire political movement (neo-conservatism) based on the actions of one man.  I'm not the brightest crayon in the box when it comes to politics, but I'm sure not all neo-conservatives are as bad as Bush.  He just dealt with Iraq the wrong way, which in turn ruined the view of the entire party that shared his political beliefs.
See what I mean Cam?
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Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7154|67.222.138.85

CameronPoe wrote:

Havok wrote:

So you're saying that it's a good thing we picked a loser president?  I fail to see how this favor's our nation as a whole.  We learned not to trust an entire political movement (neo-conservatism) based on the actions of one man.  I'm not the brightest crayon in the box when it comes to politics, but I'm sure not all neo-conservatives are as bad as Bush.  He just dealt with Iraq the wrong way, which in turn ruined the view of the entire party that shared his political beliefs.
If you think GW Bush was some mastermind of everything that drove foreign policy then you don't know politics very well. Backers, advisers, personal choices and interest groups all play a part. The driving group behind him was the PNAC - the Project For The New American Century - a movement which hijacked the Republican party and took far more hardline an approach to conservative principles (and paradoxically abandoning certain other principles).

His politics of intervention and 'regime change' have failed and America needed to be taught that their military and political might cannot affect change very effectively and all too often will just end up making things far far worse than they were originally. American needed to be taught this lesson and the instigators had to be left in power to see through the debacle and complete that lesson.
What would have happened if the US had not intervened in the least in the Middle East? What would your strategy have been, seeing as you know all the answers.
Villain{NY}
Banned
+44|6791|New York
Well when less than half of the population (40%) of Americans vote we have no one to blame but ourselves when it comes to the crappy Presidents we elect and the candidates we allow to run.  Hopefully the horrible job GW did during his two terms will motivate more people to register and actually go to the polls but I doubt it, we're a very lazy society sometimes.
usmarine
Banned
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Another thread about Bush. GG
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7154|67.222.138.85

Villain{NY} wrote:

Well when less than half of the population (40%) of Americans vote we have no one to blame but ourselves when it comes to the crappy Presidents we elect and the candidates we allow to run.  Hopefully the horrible job GW did during his two terms will motivate more people to register and actually go to the polls but I doubt it, we're a very lazy society sometimes.
Just to know, how specifically did Bush fail in his second term?
Villain{NY}
Banned
+44|6791|New York
More importantly how did he succeed?
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7204|Argentina
I think the best candidate for the next election is Republican (RG).
FeedUsYourFetus
Member
+89|6900

CameronPoe wrote:

I was just thinking to myself: what a 'godsend' that John Kerry wasn't elected president of the United States of America. 'Why?', you might ask. Well it's simple. It wsa necessary to allow Bush to completely and utterly destroy himself, the credibility of the neo-conservative movement and be seen to be in charge when the inevitable failure of his foreign dalliances came to pass. If Kerry had got into power Republicans would be able to palm off a portion of the blame on the Democrat party with their predictable 'Defeatist' bullshit with the Democrats no doubt changing tack on what had gone previously. The way things turned out we got to see Bush and his cronies implode and allow the American public to 'see the light' as regards their errant foreign policy and who should carry the blame.

Thank you for electing President GW Bush America. You did yourselves a favour by allowing yourselves to be taught a valuable lesson in the realities of the 'outside world' and baseless pre-emptive war.
When you start paying American taxes, I might consider caring about your opinion of American politics.

KiL
CameronPoe
Member
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

What would have happened if the US had not intervened in the least in the Middle East? What would your strategy have been, seeing as you know all the answers.
I've printed my tactics many times on this forum.

1. Bomb the shit out of Afghan Al Qaeda camps to teach them a lesson for 9/11.

2. Do nothing with Iraq. Saddam was completely impotent and irrelevant in the context of the overhyped so-called 'war' on 'terror' (whatever a 'war on terror' means lol).

3. Seal western borders watertight. Spend billions on border security, airport security, international rail-link security and seaport security. Employ Israeli standards of airport/seaport/border security (I've been subjected to it myself and can declare without reservation that it IS the best in the world) - they live in the midst millions of people who hate their guts and these days suicide bombings, etc. are very very few and far between.

4. Spend billions on domestic and international intelligence gathering and domestic policing/surveillance (within reasonable boundaries).

5. Create domestic cross-community organisations to promote better moderate Islam-Western relations. Reach out to Islam without compromising ones own principles.

6. Never cede the moral high ground or abandon your principles. Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay are draconian and unjust stains on the free world and they do not promote trust or goodwill.

7. Face up to the fact that the west overlooks Israeli human rights violations and contravention of international law and address these issues. Boycott Israel and let them fend for themselves.

8. End economic imperialism and underhanded and opportunistic foreign policy. Adopt isolationism.

9. Spend billions on alternative fuel sources.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|7002

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Just to know, how specifically did Bush fail in his second term?
GG in Iraq & Afghanistan lol. Bang-up job.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|7002

FeedUsYourFetus wrote:

When you start paying American taxes, I might consider caring about your opinion of American politics.

KiL
Thankfully I'm blameless for electing that monster. Cheers.
FeedUsYourFetus
Member
+89|6900

CameronPoe wrote:

FeedUsYourFetus wrote:

When you start paying American taxes, I might consider caring about your opinion of American politics.

KiL
Thankfully I'm blameless for electing that monster. Cheers.
Yes, quite thankfully.

KiL
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7153

CameronPoe wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Thank fuck?  Gee you sound smart...
Care to address the content of the OP? 'Thank fuck' is an Irish expression - I thought it was used elsewhere - apologies.
That is actually widely used expression? Hahahahaha!

Last edited by Deadmonkiefart (2007-05-14 17:42:00)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7048|132 and Bush

Pssst, Kerry voted for errant foreign policy to send troops into Iraq.
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