Kmar
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Radeon HD 2900 XT In Trouble

ATI definitely did not pull off another Radeon 9700 Pro. The Radeon 9700 Pro was a phenomenal card for the time. It introduced a 256-bit bus for the first time and excelled in DirectX 9 shader performance. The Radeon 9700 Pro positively shocked gamers and had a very long life span. Everyone wanted a generational jump such as that with the R600. The ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT however is more akin to NVIDIA’s GeForce FX 5800. It does not seem like this will have a very long life span in comparison. NVIDIA quickly answered the GeForce FX 5800 by introducing the GeForce FX 5900 (NV35). ATI really needs to do something similar in this situation, or they may lose some loyal fans in the enthusiast community and you can bet they are going to continue to lose sales to NVIDIA’s 8000 series products.

Here is what it boils down to. If the Radeon HD 2900 XT performed exactly on par with the GeForce 8800 GTS in every game, it would still be a loser because it draws nearly 100 more watts of power, meaning it is very inefficient. The facts are though that it doesn’t even match the 8800 GTS currently. In every game it slides in underperforming compared to the GeForce 8800 GTS 640 MB, and it does it while drawing a lot more power, as much power or more as an 8800 GTX. Not only that, but a GeForce 8800 GTS 640 MB based video card can now be had for up to $70 cheaper than the Radeon HD 2900 XT. I don’t know about you, but a video card that is cheaper, runs a lot faster and draws less energy just seems like the better value to me.

This doesn’t even bring into the equation the GeForce 8800 GTX which outclasses the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT on every front. Yes, it costs about $130 more, but that $130 buys you a lot more performance in games. It is sad that ATI does not have a GPU to compete with the GeForce 8800 GTX. At this point NVIDIA has, dare I say it, a monopoly over the high-end of computer gaming video card market. If you want the best gaming performance, it is still the GeForce 8800 GTX. The GTX has no competition.

The Bottom Line

“A day late and a dollar short.” Cliché but accurate. The Radeon HD 2900 XT is late to the party and unfortunately is bringing with it performance that cannot compete. The GeForce 8800 GTS 640 MB is $50 cheaper, performs better, and draws a lot less power than the 2900 XT.

This is as good as it is going to get for a while from ATI. The GeForce 8800 GTX will still dominate at the high end of the video card market. Of course we do not know about DX10 games yet, and there is no way to make any predictions how that comparison will turn out. As it stands right now the Radeon HD 2900 XT, in our opinion, is a flop. ATI needs to get its act together quickly. It needs to push out the mainstream cards soon and it needs to deliver a high end card that can actually compete at the high end of the market.

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jsnipy
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That's a ashame, it would have been nice to have some competiion to drive some prices down.
(also http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl … p;from=rss)

Last edited by jsnipy (2007-05-15 06:54:33)

Ender2309
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kmar...cmon. you're a mod. you're not supposed to be double posting.
Kmar
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Ender2309 wrote:

kmar...cmon. you're a mod. you're not supposed to be double posting.
meh.. different content/article.

jsnipy you are right. This may have been the reason the Ultra jumped up so high for just an OC'ed card. Maybe Nvidia knew what ATI was bringing to the table (probably).
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well, nearly the same situation for ATI now as it was for Nvidia when the NV35 competed to the 9800series cards.
ghettoperson
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Yeah, it sucks. A better card would have meant that prices would have come down. Prior to the launch, I'd thought that the XT was supposed to be comparative to the GTX, to find it's the GTS equivalent is somewhat disappointing.
Kmar
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ghettoperson wrote:

Yeah, it sucks. A better card would have meant that prices would have come down. Prior to the launch, I'd thought that the XT was supposed to be comparative to the GTX, to find it's the GTS equivalent is somewhat disappointing.
If the Radeon HD 2900 XT performed exactly on par with the GeForce 8800 GTS in every game, it would still be a loser because it draws nearly 100 more watts of power, meaning it is very inefficient. The facts are though that it doesn’t even match the 8800 GTS currently. In every game it slides in underperforming compared to the GeForce 8800 GTS 640 MB, and it does it while drawing a lot more power, as much power or more as an 8800 GTX.


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https://images.thgweb.de/2007/05/14/ati-radeon_hd2900/chart_battlefield2142_1024_trilinear.pnghttps://images.thgweb.de/2007/05/14/ati-radeon_hd2900/chart_battlefield2142_1600_aa_af.png
pic taken from tomshardware.de

As you can see, the HD 2900 XT isnt even a match for a 8800GTS 320MB in some benchmarks.
ghettoperson
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Kmarion wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Yeah, it sucks. A better card would have meant that prices would have come down. Prior to the launch, I'd thought that the XT was supposed to be comparative to the GTX, to find it's the GTS equivalent is somewhat disappointing.
If the Radeon HD 2900 XT performed exactly on par with the GeForce 8800 GTS in every game, it would still be a loser because it draws nearly 100 more watts of power, meaning it is very inefficient. The facts are though that it doesn’t even match the 8800 GTS currently. In every game it slides in underperforming compared to the GeForce 8800 GTS 640 MB, and it does it while drawing a lot more power, as much power or more as an 8800 GTX.


Yeah I know, I meant approximately, and that ATI must have been intending it as a competator to the GTS. Although I'd clearly go for the GTS over it. I'm just interested to see now what the XTX is going to be like when they bring that out. At least the 2600 can't possibly be as bad as the 8600GTS... right?
Scorpion0x17
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ERM, correct me if I'm wrong, but in the Toms Hardware graphs, aren't the nVidias that have SLI at the end of their name two cards in SLI, whereas the 2900s are one card?
CrazeD
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You guys are all jumping the gun and saying this card is a POS and can't compete with the 8800GTS (which has been out for what, 6 months now?). They have a lot of new stuff on this card that needs new drivers in order to operate fully.

Do you seriously think they took this long and spent that much money to make a card that isn't better than a 6 month old card? You guys are on crack....
Kmar
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CrazeD wrote:

You guys are all jumping the gun and saying this card is a POS and can't compete with the 8800GTS (which has been out for what, 6 months now?). They have a lot of new stuff on this card that needs new drivers in order to operate fully.

Do you seriously think they took this long and spent that much money to make a card that isn't better than a 6 month old card? You guys are on crack....
What ATI been doing for 6 months then? Generally when a company waits that long to release new hardware  (Especially this long) it one ups the competition from the start.
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

ERM, correct me if I'm wrong, but in the Toms Hardware graphs, aren't the nVidias that have SLI at the end of their name two cards in SLI, whereas the 2900s are one card?
No, the graphs show HD 2900 XT CF (crossfire)
daffytag
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I sure ATi will do somthing to match nvidia. Maybe an AMD cpu that boosts the GPU performance, or a new driver.

I hear the mid range cards will be a good match for nvidias mid range.
jsnipy
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Its sad, I remeber how happy I was going form an nVidia 5900u to an ATi X800.

Maybe they can take an 8800GTX and spray paint it red?

Last edited by jsnipy (2007-05-15 10:09:48)

Scorpion0x17
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Sl4y3r wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

ERM, correct me if I'm wrong, but in the Toms Hardware graphs, aren't the nVidias that have SLI at the end of their name two cards in SLI, whereas the 2900s are one card?
No, the graphs show HD 2900 XT CF (crossfire)
Ah... My mistake.
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CrazeD wrote:

You guys are all jumping the gun and saying this card is a POS and can't compete with the 8800GTS (which has been out for what, 6 months now?). They have a lot of new stuff on this card that needs new drivers in order to operate fully.

Do you seriously think they took this long and spent that much money to make a card that isn't better than a 6 month old card? You guys are on crack....
We are not saying, look at the refernce articles, from sources that exclusively review an evaluate hardware... for a living ... and have been for while .... doing it .. for a living.
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Kmarion wrote:

Ender2309 wrote:

kmar...cmon. you're a mod. you're not supposed to be double posting.
meh.. different content/article.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 7#p1423147
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http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=73419 posted before but I guess this is ok since it's from different site
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