BF2S Forums Thank Fuck Kerry Didn't Get Elected

CameronPoe wrote:

Thank you for electing President GW Bush America. You did yourselves a favour by allowing yourselves to be taught a valuable lesson in the realities of the 'outside world' and baseless pre-emptive war.

Yes, Bush taught anyone who didn't already know it that war is not as simple as blowing stuff up and leaving.

But Bush also destroyed Americans' confidence in the ability of the US government to do the following worthwhile things:

CameronPoe wrote:

4. Spend billions on domestic and international intelligence gathering and domestic policing/surveillance (within reasonable boundaries).

5. Create domestic cross-community organisations to promote better moderate Islam-Western relations. Reach out to Islam without compromising ones own principles.

6. Never cede the moral high ground or abandon your principles. Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay are draconian and unjust stains on the free world and they do not promote trust or goodwill.

9. Spend billions on alternative fuel sources.

The incompetent and untrustworthy Bush administration has made it more difficult for the next US administration to take the right steps.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Also, you know what, terrorists don't bother with who is or isn't part of the coalition anyway - it concerns everyone, everywhere.

Not according to Cam numbnuts.

Actually I've just found something, Ireland was involved in Iraq, Irish Army Rangers along with intellgience officers were deployed to try and rescue an Irish reporter with US forces. I believe that's involvement if you ask me, no matter how small.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Also, you know what, terrorists don't bother with who is or isn't part of the coalition anyway - it concerns everyone, everywhere.

Not according to Cam numbnuts.

Right now, I don't give a flying fuck for what Cam does or does not think.

Well I do, and that is why I was addressing him.

usmarine2005 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

You need to work more.  You Euros have way too much free time to worry about shit that does not concern you.

Madrid, London 7/7...

First off, are you saying that is all the fault of the US?

You stated, and I quote: "You Euros have way too much free time to worry about shit that does not concern you."

Madrid and London both lie in Europe, in the EU in fact. I travel about the EU, my home, quite frequently. They were both attacked in counter-Iraq war acts of terror. To belittle the impact the American president's decisions and influence (and admittedly our own) have had on Europe is disrespectful and understating the that very real and deadly impact.

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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

1. Bombing camps with the help of special forces teams brought in before the war officially started. And yes, a major part of the strategy for fighting a war halfway across the world was to recruit a sizable local army to do the fighting for us, with lots of American dollars. These small numbers weren't meant to fight the war on their own.

2. What the US administration did was the only logical course of action. It was executed very poorly, but it was the only thing to attempt.

3. Again, the U.S. and Israel are in completely different worlds. If you don't think there would be a public outrage, you're wrong. That, and Israel probably doesn't even have 1/50th the amount of borders the U.S. does. It is an impractical move, and naive to think we could prevent future terrorism by protecting every inch of border and every airport.

4. First, I'm pretty sure we are spending billions on intelligence. Second, the amount of information we gather is enough, if not excessive, the problem lies in not having either the method or the manpower to process it all. You can't solve that problem by throwing money at it.

5. As a minor point head scarves are allowed in school, I don't know what made you think otherwise. I personally know a girl in my school who wears one daily.

To the main point, I suppose I just don't understand what this organization is supposed to do. From what you just said, it sounds a lot like a bribing Imams.

6. I never said I condoned torture. As far as I know we never condemned anyone in those camps to death or otherwise after being found guilty, I don't think they ever had a trial. Their personal freedoms were taken away under suspicion, as authorities attempt to work out who is in the wrong. This is not nearly the same as taking someone for guilty before a trial, people aren't wandering into homes and blowing people's heads off because they had a Q'uran.

The torture of the enemy isn't the problem, it's their methods. They hide with the innocent, so you either try to get at them and there are civilian casualties, or you leave them alone to inflict their own damage.

7. Please, of course "playing fair" with Israel would mean dropping it, and that would be genocide. That's like saying the dog peed on the carpet, so kick it outside and let it deal with the lion. The situation needs to be negotiated to the point where the region is at peace, probably by erasing Israel as a whole, but until that happens, the Israeli people have a right to live.

8. What specific countries are you talking about here?

9. Well of course it needs to be done, but finding the approach is the problem right now. I think this point can be dropped on the fact that we (and probably about 90% of the population) can agree something needs to be done, but no knows what to do and no major governments or businesses are stepping up.

1. Why send vastly more troops to a nation that was not a pressing concern, far far away from home, while sending a pitifully small number to a country far larger in which a pressing job was far from being completed, far far away from home?

2. lol. 'No option.' Continued sanctions. Tougher no fly zone. Greater surveillance. Clandestine aid for 'freedom fighters' living under the Saddam regime. The possibilities were endless. He was impotent and everyone knew it. This war was predicated on a pack of lies, I have almost zero doubt about that. They clutched at straws with their rhetoric: the vial of ricin brandished by Powell at the UN must go down as the cringetastically embarrassing thing he's ever had to do. Robin Cook's resignation speech at the British House of Commons summed it all up and he was privvy to nearly al the pre-war intelligence.
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3. It's impractical if you're lazy. There are only so many international airports and seaports in the US. How hard would it be to police them efficiently. If someone had the wherewithall to realise that several blokes with 'box cutters' getting on a plane was a good idea then you got problems with security. I've been back to the US several times since 9/11 and I haven't hardly noticed a thing in terms of improved security. Your government has touted a wall about the Rio Grande. Is it that difficult to build a fucking wall????? The Chinese managed it over a thousand years ago!!!! This all boils down to how serious you are about tackling the limited threat of terror that exists.

4. Intelligence gathering/surveillance/espionage > conventional military operations in a region of the world that is and always has been deeply hostile to you. Why bother 'nation building' when they will always hate you based on a) suspicion, b) what they view as a lascivious lifestyle and c) unfettered support for the terrorist state of Israel. Terror is POLICED not 'fought'. That's where the money should be going. At the moment you are throwing billions out the window to no avail. Congratulations defence contractors!

5. I was confused as to what you meant by 'appeasement' hence the reason I raised a kind of example I thought you might be alluding to.

6. "Their personal freedoms were taken away under suspicion" - internment without charge or trial: on mere suspicion. People have spent years there before being freed as innocent men having been subjected to both physical and mental torture in contravention of the Geneva Convention. Keep digging your hole if you wish but I automatically have lesser respect for anyone trying to condone this behaviour. Lowering your standards: two wrongs don't make a right. Even Rep. John McCain will attest to the fact that torture is useless.

7. It is not our responsibility to prop up a terrorist regime in a middle east we purport to be 'ridding of terror'.

8. All. Particularly Latin America and the Middle East.

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

I think most people know I didn't mean the UK obviously.  So let's say not Euros, let's say all the neutral appeasers.  As for Madrid, was that the fault of the US also?

The stated reason left behind by the terrorists of Madrid was that it was punishment for sending troops to help the US in Iraq. The next day the opposition was elected into office on a promise of troop withdrawal, the Iraq war having been extremely unpopular with Spaniards long before the bombing... (the bombers were not Spaniards though unlike in 7/7)

Did the US force Spain to go to Iraq?

CameronPoe wrote:

No they didn't - that cunt José Maria Aznar did. But can I ask you this: do you think Spain would have invaded Iraq without the US, on their own initiative? Thinking with their fucking pockets - that right wing Aznar is such a slimy git.

Agree.  But people have to live with their own actions.  They knew the potential threat I would hope.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Well then maybe you should have let us borrow your crystal ball -then the US could have avoided it all.

Again with the crystal ball shit, like someone would need mystical powers to figure out that the guy who pretty much murdered his way to the top of the political heap in his country and regularly used torture and brutality to keep his people in line might not be such a great person to have as an ally. I don't know which is more disgusting, the nasty habit the US government has for backing people like Saddam and then later pretending they didn't know what they were capable of, or people like you who keep excusing them for it.

GATOR591957 wrote:

To quote Bill Maher (sp)  "Why do we always vote for the You're fucking kidding me candidate.  Ronald Reagan, your fucking kidding me, George Bush Jr. you're fucking kidding me."

QFFT

TrollmeaT wrote:

This post has nothing valuable or of content , it is simply a "I told you so" post.
No questions just statements as if facts, no solutions to the problems of the world, just a condescending tone of a small voice.

It's a great title also.

TrollmeaT wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I was just thinking to myself: what a 'godsend' that John Kerry wasn't elected president of the United States of America. 'Why?', you might ask. Well it's simple. It wsa necessary to allow Bush to completely and utterly destroy himself, the credibility of the neo-conservative movement and be seen to be in charge when the inevitable failure of his foreign dalliances came to pass. If Kerry had got into power Republicans would be able to palm off a portion of the blame on the Democrat party with their predictable 'Defeatist' bullshit with the Democrats no doubt changing tack on what had gone previously. The way things turned out we got to see Bush and his cronies implode and allow the American public to 'see the light' as regards their errant foreign policy and who should carry the blame.

Thank you for electing President GW Bush America. You did yourselves a favour by allowing yourselves to be taught a valuable lesson in the realities of the 'outside world' and baseless pre-emptive war.

This post has nothing valuable or of content , it is simply a "I told you so" post.
No questions just statements as if facts, no solutions to the problems of the world, just a condescending tone of a small voice.

Tried reading the subsequent post containing my proposed solutions to problems? Thought not! Post-trigger-happy aren't we?

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CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

The stated reason left behind by the terrorists of Madrid was that it was punishment for sending troops to help the US in Iraq. The next day the opposition was elected into office on a promise of troop withdrawal, the Iraq war having been extremely unpopular with Spaniards long before the bombing... (the bombers were not Spaniards though unlike in 7/7)

Did the US force Spain to go to Iraq?

No they didn't - that cunt José Maria Aznar did. But can I ask you this: do you think Spain would have invaded Iraq without the US, on their own initiative? Thinking with their fucking pockets - that right wing Aznar is such a slimy git.

Just asking, but based on that, are you going to call each and every single Prime Minister/President/other heads of state a "cunt" and bash on them for going to Iraq along with Bush?