this was a pretty decent thread
Because these people see an obvious wrong being done in their name and they ain't happy.
Just like Nam, the people who elected the people who make these decisions for what ever reason have the right to hold them accountable and they wish to express that. Half the population supports the troops not the war and they want the ppl making the decisions to know that.
Basic freedom of speech, what your constitution was built on.
Just like Nam, the people who elected the people who make these decisions for what ever reason have the right to hold them accountable and they wish to express that. Half the population supports the troops not the war and they want the ppl making the decisions to know that.
Basic freedom of speech, what your constitution was built on.
i guess i just got a really low opinion on people in general. the majority of people who protest the war in this country actually dont care about the troops or the iraqis. but thats my point of view, i could be wrong, but i dont think i am.
If people really gave a fuck, we would never have invaded. if people really cared, bush wouldnt have been re-elected (would have chosen a better opponent for him). its not about the war, its about peoples annoyance with bush. thats the protest!
holy shit! the same people who supported the war during the invasion are calling for the troops to come home. why? finish what you start. this volunteer army is not something to wave around like a closed fist and then ease it up when you no longer have the bug up your ass. but I cant get mad. A soldier is meant to die in combat. but civilians arent. if people really understood what the fuck a war is, we would never have invaded. but it seems only now people realize this through youtube and cnn. but yet, their personal fucking lives arent touched by this shit, AT ALL and they still find time to complain. I need to goto sleep. gonna run around the rose bowl in the morning.
If people really gave a fuck, we would never have invaded. if people really cared, bush wouldnt have been re-elected (would have chosen a better opponent for him). its not about the war, its about peoples annoyance with bush. thats the protest!
holy shit! the same people who supported the war during the invasion are calling for the troops to come home. why? finish what you start. this volunteer army is not something to wave around like a closed fist and then ease it up when you no longer have the bug up your ass. but I cant get mad. A soldier is meant to die in combat. but civilians arent. if people really understood what the fuck a war is, we would never have invaded. but it seems only now people realize this through youtube and cnn. but yet, their personal fucking lives arent touched by this shit, AT ALL and they still find time to complain. I need to goto sleep. gonna run around the rose bowl in the morning.
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Your as centralist as a solder can be IMO. But you got to admit that you might be slightly one sided on the issue.
I would be well pissed if a crowd were protesting outside a building I had designed. Even if it was built to my clients specification.
I would be well pissed if a crowd were protesting outside a building I had designed. Even if it was built to my clients specification.
i am biased on this issue. you are correct. we should have never been there. but i am willing to be there as long as the U.S. Army, the government, the people want the army there (must reiterate, im not deployed right now). As long as there is an objective, i dont wanna leave. The second the Iraqi people vote us out of there, i would be happy to see us go. thats democracy. I hate the wishy washyness of it all. Its like spilling a 5 gallon can of paint and expecting to clean the mess up in 5 minutes.JahManRed wrote:
Your as centralist as a solder can be IMO. But you got to admit that you might be slightly one sided on the issue.
I would be well pissed if a crowd were protesting outside a building I had designed. Even if it was built to my clients specification.
but thats a good way to put it. good input, as always.
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I wonder why - up to this point - no one has suggested a vote on US presence in Iraq, either by the Iraqui Parliament or through a popular vote. Seems like the perfect way to answer the question "Do Iraquis really want us there?" once and for all.
And it would also show that the Iraqui government really does have the say in its own country, and is not just a puppet regime of the US.
As far as protesting goes, I think it's the only way average americans can make their voices heard, when there are no elections at hand. Anti-war protests have a long tradition in america, ever since the Vietnam era, and have often enough proved to be quite a powerful tool of the public opinion.
And it would also show that the Iraqui government really does have the say in its own country, and is not just a puppet regime of the US.
As far as protesting goes, I think it's the only way average americans can make their voices heard, when there are no elections at hand. Anti-war protests have a long tradition in america, ever since the Vietnam era, and have often enough proved to be quite a powerful tool of the public opinion.
Because war, as a principle method of solving the worlds problems, is just plain wrong.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Why protest the war in Iraq. Human beings are selfish animals by nature and NOBODY has lost a cunt hairs worth of their quality of life since 2003. why do i see a bunch of kids waving their signs in front of recruiting stations and doing protest walks blocking traffic. I have more respect for the insurgent that detonates an IED than for all these new wannabe hippies. I have an open mind though, so I wonder. If you have felt the need to protest the war in Iraq, why? I understand that there are sincere people out there against the war, but I think thats the minority. Th majority of people I have come across that have participated in these types of events are for the most part ill inform and ignorant of the actual goings on of the war. They base all their opinions on totally biased and inaccurate media sources. it seriously makes me fucking sick. I think its abunch of bored shit heads who wanna feel like they are a part of a new generation of hippies. they dont really feel strong against the war, just rage against the machine if you will.
seriously the only people effected by this war in an adverse way are the citizens of Iraq and the soldiers/sailors/airmen/marines of our armed forces. no draft. no rationing. no black outs. GET REAL FUCKOS!
heres your oppurtunity to change my mind about all the anti war sentiment.
I must be in the minority. Personally, I don't support the war itself. The pretext for invasion, the selling off of Iraq's construction (eg.to Haliburton) and the ties of those companies with politicians. We should never have gone in there. Sure, one could argue that Saddam was abusing human rights, but fuck... look at N.Korea (just to mention one).GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
the majority of people who protest the war in this country actually dont care about the troops or the iraqis. but thats my point of view, i could be wrong, but i dont think i am.
On the other hand, I do support the troops. They are there, on the ground, doing the dirty work. Just because I don't like what's being done shouldn't mean that the troops get fucked over.
The way I see it, Iraq can not be "won". For gods sake, the two main factions hate each other! No matter what's done, they will try and fight. Simple.
I hope you get where I'm comin' from,
Mcminty.
when the US first invaded in 2003 there was millions of people protesting it around the worldGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
I understand that there are sincere people out there against the war, but I think thats the minority. Th majority of people I have come across that have participated in these types of events are for the most part ill inform and ignorant of the actual goings on of the war. .
"In London, over one million people took to the streets of the city to protest against the looming war on Iraq, And up to a million protestors gathered in Rome in one of Europe's biggest anti-war demonstrations as Baghdad's Foreign Minister, Tareq Aziz, prayed for peace at the tomb of St Francis of Assisi.
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but I guess this only goes to show how futile the protests were.
everyone has the right to voice there opinion and I've read through this tread and there are some really strong points that where made.
The reasons for the USA invading Iraq well I still don't know what they are there mastery of media and confusion worked wonders, first links to Terrorism then hop over to WMD's then the Freedom of the Iraqi's which one is it Bush administration make your freekin mind UP!
The thing is that you are there now and there is noway we as humanity can go back from where we left off. Not to sound bias but if there was a popular vote in Iraq for the withdrawal of US troops I can tell you this i would put money down that there would be a vote of no confidence against the USA and the request for withdrawal.
Like I said in an earlier post no human should have to endure the atrocities that are occurring in Iraq be they US citizens or Iraqi.
The reasons for the USA invading Iraq well I still don't know what they are there mastery of media and confusion worked wonders, first links to Terrorism then hop over to WMD's then the Freedom of the Iraqi's which one is it Bush administration make your freekin mind UP!
The thing is that you are there now and there is noway we as humanity can go back from where we left off. Not to sound bias but if there was a popular vote in Iraq for the withdrawal of US troops I can tell you this i would put money down that there would be a vote of no confidence against the USA and the request for withdrawal.
Like I said in an earlier post no human should have to endure the atrocities that are occurring in Iraq be they US citizens or Iraqi.
All those people who were making $ of the Oil-for-Food program were really pissed.
This is my experience, too.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
The majority of people I have come across that have participated in these types of events are for the most part ill inform and ignorant of the actual goings on of the war.
EXACTLY!! dead-on!Masterstyle wrote:
United States, you want to sit around worried waiting for the next terror attack? or make sure it doesnt happen again by getting rid of terrorism so it never happens again?
You forget. I watched the TV when Colin Powell went before the United Nations and showed satellite images of trucks with reasonable cause to believe there were WMDs or components for WMDs in them. I remember watching. I remember John Kerry saying that Iraq was a serious threat. I remember several libs in congress agreeing that Saddam Hussein was pursuing WMD.misconfiguration wrote:
Iraq is a bullshit war, it's not a war on terror, do you remember when they were supposed to have WMD's? Now all of a sudden it's Iraqi freedom. WAIT they're terrorists, ya they'll buy it. The war in Afghanistan I support for the sole fact; it's revenge for 9/11.
I also remember Saddam gassing thousands of his own people, in the name of hatred.
You forget these things, so you oppose the war. I remember these things, so I say, Let's finish what we started. And let's make an example out of Iraq. Help the country get on its feet, and help it become an economic leader and Democratic powerhouse in the corrupt Middle-East.
Why not?
I say, if you disagree with me, it's out of love for the American Liberal ideology and out of hatred for our President--a hatred that has been nurtured by the Liberal thinktank.
Dark side of freedom of word ...
How would joining the military solve the problem of the military doing the wrong thing?
Hell, why protest at all? The government always has my best interests in mind.
*spreads buttcheeks*
*spreads buttcheeks*
The part about letting people shoot you while you try to help them? Which is exactly what I was talking about? Is that the part you mean?rdx-fx wrote:
Reread the rest of the line you're referencing.Bubbalo wrote:
How would joining the military solve the problem of the military doing the wrong thing?
You don't get it, you won't ever get it.
Thank you, drive through, have a nice day
rdx-fx wrote:
Protest, and tell the world you're mad. I'm sure the government listens to a mob of protestersCommieChipmunk wrote:
Hell, why protest at all? The government always has my best interests in mind.
*spreads buttcheeks*
-or-
Do something to help fix the problem.
You're right, protesting has never gotten anyone anywhere...
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That's 1942 speak there... I don't excatly understand what your version of terrorism is?Masterstyle wrote:
United States, you want to sit around worried waiting for the next terror attack? or make sure it doesnt happen again by getting rid of terrorism so it never happens again?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume that you're idea of "getting rid of terrorism" is killing lots of "terrorists" right?Masterstyle wrote:
United States, you want to sit around worried waiting for the next terror attack? or make sure it doesnt happen again by getting rid of terrorism so it never happens again?
Unfortunately, every time you kill one of those "terrorists" you create a new one.
- that's where the logic is flawed and why murder does not accomplish anything.
Why don't we ever ask ourselves, why do they hate us so much? I guarantee the majority of it lies not in religion like so many nut jobs will try to convince you today; but in our foreign policy.
there are lots of words and I'm really drunk so I'm not going to read all of them but I'm going to say what I feel. The Iraq war is a bullshit war that isn't helping anyone, I am not a tree hugging hippy and I belive what's right is right... Those people don't belive to be policed by a people who don't understand their beliefs. On the same note I don't belive in protesters because they never seem to attack the root of the problem.. They only attack what seems to be the cause, which is the service. I'm proud of my bothers in arms and what they do for the country and wish no harm on any of them.
wow, who dug this peice of shit?
It's too bad the world didn't give a damn or protest until Americans got involved in Iraq.
Their own worst enemy.
Their own worst enemy.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Your point? There are and were much worse places to live than Iraq, I don't see the US doing anything about them.Kmarion wrote:
It's too bad the world didn't give a damn or protest until Americans got involved in Iraq.
Their own worst enemy.
That's the truth. I saw a report about Darfur today. Apparently the Chinese buy two thirds of Sudanese oil so they keep blocking UN resolutions trying to get help in there.Bubbalo wrote:
Your point? There are and were much worse places to live than Iraq, I don't see the US doing anything about them.Kmarion wrote:
It's too bad the world didn't give a damn or protest until Americans got involved in Iraq.
Their own worst enemy.
Iraq's bad, but there are certainly worse.
I have not read the previous seven pages. My gut reaction to this question is, have you looked at the National debt. http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ You state no one has been effected other than Iraqi's and service men and women. You are wrong, our children and generations after that will still be paying for the cost of this war.
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