[pt] KEIOS
srs bsns
+231|7100|pimelteror.de
what about: don´t panic?

a gun, that she wouldn´t even use/handle properly, when she would need it, is only a risk/danger for your kids. install alarm systems and send her to self defense trainings. just having a gun doesn´t solve the problem...
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6972|South Florida
well sorry to say ATG, but you need to get your Antigunner wife to get some balls, LEARN how to use a gun, and MOST important, TEACH your kids about guns, dont just hide the gun, because an adventurous kid could find it.

Last edited by Dezerteagal5 (2007-05-18 07:22:21)

15 more years! 15 more years!
Vernedead
Cossack
+21|6680|Albion
slightly out of line there. he's already said she knows how to shoot. she just doesn't want a gun in the house and ready to use.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6976|Global Command

JahManRed wrote:

ATG wrote:

RedTwizzler wrote:


No, I read, but if you're serious about your wife's safety, you'll tell her to fuck herself before the rapist does, and give into purchasing a firearm.
Your a foul mouthed idiot.  I have pistols too.


http://i5.tinypic.com/16bevdd.jpgmini 14
http://i4.tinypic.com/16bewsh.jpg  12 gage and 37 mm launcher
http://i4.tinypic.com/16c1lwk.jpg custom 10/22, all titanium internal parts
http://i4.tinypic.com/16c26md.jpg1917 Winchester 30-06, carved by me great grand pappy; bagged many a meals
http://i5.tinypic.com/16c271k.jpgdetail of carvings.
lol, why do you need all those guns dude? I thought you was a pacifist stonner
Bit overkill with the nade gun eh? Is that for the hoards of Mexicans as they invade over the hills..................when that time comes?

Very Nice winchester.
Stoner yes, pacifist no.
37mm launchers are legal, even in california. What they are basically is flare guns. You used to be able to buy ' bird bombs ' that launched a m60 fire-cracker about 100 yrds. And smoke rounds. A toy really. It mounted under the barrel of the AR15 I used to have. Looked pretty wicked.

Why?
I believe every citizen has a duty to defend his country, from all enemies foreign and domestic.
Those are mostly combat weapons, not home defense. I bought the mini-14 after 9-11 when it seemed that the world was ending. I am kitted to fight my way with my family out of Los Angeles.

Paranoid? Hardly.

The government will not be there for you in a disaster. A major earth-quake or terrorist attack and you could be on your own for 2-3 weeks in a megolopis where 25 million people are mostly unpreparred with food and water. The unpreparred will attempt to prey on the preparred.



Bubbalo wrote:

Also, that carved rifle is nice, but it'd be beautiful without that heavy laminate.  It makes it look like plastic.
Thanks, I'll refinish it someday.
WW1 surplus rifle.
JahManRed
wank
+646|7075|IRELAND

ATG wrote:

Stoner yes, pacifist no.
37mm launchers are legal, even in california. What they are basically is flare guns. You used to be able to buy ' bird bombs ' that launched a m60 fire-cracker about 100 yrds. And smoke rounds. A toy really. It mounted under the barrel of the AR15 I used to have. Looked pretty wicked.
mmmmm, OK, dam birds.

ATG wrote:

Why?
I believe every citizen has a duty to defend his country, from all enemies foreign and domestic.
Those are mostly combat weapons, not home defense. I bought the mini-14 after 9-11 when it seemed that the world was ending. I am kitted to fight my way with my family out of Los Angeles.
Yeah, I understand your need to have peice of mind, to protect your family etc.

ATG wrote:

Paranoid? Hardly.

The government will not be there for you in a disaster. A major earth-quake or terrorist attack and you could be on your own for 2-3 weeks in a megolopis where 25 million people are mostly unpreparred with food and water. The unpreparred will attempt to prey on the preparred.
I guess Katrina and the anarchey that followed, prove you right.


Now why don't you move over here to Europe, its much more chilled out.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6976|Global Command
Will you take me in?
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7008

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

well sorry to say ATG, but you need to get your Antigunner wife to get some balls, LEARN how to use a gun, and MOST important, TEACH your kids about guns, dont just hide the gun, because an adventurous kid could find it.
Not that I think ATGs kids are stupid, but unless they know how to pick a good quality lock or are somehow related to Bruce Banner, I think the guns are safe.

And he wish to not have a gun is probably entirely unrelated to her gender.  She might just be smarter than him .
UNDIESRULES
Member
+4|7128
TBH i dont blame her for not wanting a gun, and trying to keep pepper spray from the kids.
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6972|South Florida

Bubbalo wrote:

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

well sorry to say ATG, but you need to get your Antigunner wife to get some balls, LEARN how to use a gun, and MOST important, TEACH your kids about guns, dont just hide the gun, because an adventurous kid could find it.
Not that I think ATGs kids are stupid, but unless they know how to pick a good quality lock or are somehow related to Bruce Banner, I think the guns are safe.

And he wish to not have a gun is probably entirely unrelated to her gender.  She might just be smarter than him .
Yeah and while the rapist is raping your wife/kids your fumbling with the stupid ass lock on your gun. Or maybe he shoots you before you can get the lock off.
15 more years! 15 more years!
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7008
Right..................so we'll just run around with guns with safeties off.  But then, if it's in a holster then the assailant has plenty of time to sneak up on you.  So I guess we'll have to carry them in firing position.  Which makes it real easy to do out tasks.

And surely if the attacker is going to shoot you, he's going to do it before you turn around to shoot him.

Seriously, some of the people on this forum must have met some really inept criminals.
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7028|the dank(super) side of Oregon

Yaocelotl wrote:

http://tc-policedogs.landgraafweb.nl/ho … 679180.jpg
I know that in this side of the world that race of dogs is called Belga Malinois. How do you call them back there?
The dog pictured is a German Shepherd.  Belgian Malinios is a different breed.  they are closely related but separate.  Malinois are much more intense, and much smarter, not to say that German shepherds are not intelligent. They are also smaller and generally lighter in color.   If you ever want to piss off a Malinois owner, call their dog a German Shepherd mutt.

Last edited by Reciprocity (2007-05-18 18:40:21)

daddyofdeath
A REAL Combat Engineer in the house
+187|6700|UK Bradford W,Yorks. Age 27

ATG wrote:

...and sweet Jesus there is a serial rapist loose in my town.
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?secti … id=5305096

She will not carry pepper spray in the house because she's afraid the kids will get it. The kids go in and out of our backyard, so the back door is open most all day while I'm at work 25+ miles away.
Helecopters buzzed our neighborhood last night as the nearby apartment reported a suspicious person in the bushes ( 1000 feet from my house ).

Any advice not involving a large dog?
My friend to keep my family safe I would personally do 'time' for them. I would sacrafice my life for them in that way. For you that choice is yours, but your wife as you love her dear should not make you make that choice. Sir good luck, and I truly hope that you all stay safe and need not that firearm.
logitech487
Member
+16|6850|From The State Of Taxes
A double barrel shotgun is the prefect home defence weapon loaded or unload it will scare the shit out of any lowlife , Cut down to the minim legal barrel length no real training neaded just point and click
RedTwizzler
I do it for the lulz.
+124|6984|Chicago

KnowMeByTrailOfDead wrote:

And how many kids do you have?
None, and that's how I intend to keep it. I was simply offering a suggestion, which got bashed by the OP. Gotta love people who ask questions, then jump on people providing input, right?
Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|7077|Washington, DC

RedTwizzler wrote:

KnowMeByTrailOfDead wrote:

And how many kids do you have?
None, and that's how I intend to keep it. I was simply offering a suggestion, which got bashed by the OP. Gotta love people who ask questions, then jump on people providing input, right?
Aye. He's basically ruled out everything except going to the future and getting an A12 Enforcer sentry gun.
west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6836
Your wife is only looking at half the possibilities. She knows what could happen if you or her are irresponsible with your firearms. She considers what it would be like if one of her children found one and hurt themselves or their sibling. Has she considered her children going through life without a mother or her going through life without her children? This stuff does happen to good people for no reason.

The fact is you and your wife are responsible for yourselves and your children. This includes defending their lives from an attacker. A firearm is the best tool you have to do this. Your wife is familiar with firearms and that is a very good thing. Sign her up for a defensive pistol course. Buy a safe to store the guns in. The attic is a terrible place to store firearms for a number of reasons. You really should have a safe. If your state allows you to conceal a weapon you should do so, in and out of your home as often as possible.

People are not your only threat. Dogs attack children all the time. She could be walking from the parking lot into the store, at the park, in front of the school, etc. How will she fend off a vicious dog that is trying to rip her child apart? What if someone tries to carjack her with the children strapped in the car? How will she possibly defend the family against an armed assailant? Will she just let the carjacker take the kids and hope you get them back safe and unharmed? You have the best tool available; use it and your head.

I think she needs to wake up to the reality of this world. There are many evil people out there wishing to harm her. Do not be one of the "I hope it doesn't happen to me people"; be prepared. Police are never there when you need them. You are responsible for yourself and your children. Your wife needs to be able to defend herself and her children. Do not depend on someone else to do it for you.

Best of luck to you and your family.

Edit:
Also teaching your wife and children to defend themselves without a weapon is crucial. I highly recommend going for the eyes of the attacker. Women are told to kick a man in the balls. This does not always work, she could miss of clothing may block the impact. Eyes are almost always within reach and are very sensitive. Poke and gouge at the eyes of your attacker. It's very difficult to restrain someone when your vision is impaired.

Last edited by west-phoenix-az (2007-05-18 20:55:31)

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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6976|Global Command

RedTwizzler wrote:

KnowMeByTrailOfDead wrote:

And how many kids do you have?
None, and that's how I intend to keep it. I was simply offering a suggestion, which got bashed by the OP. Gotta love people who ask questions, then jump on people providing input, right?
Is this your suggestion you silly little twit?

RedTwizzler wrote:

No, I read, but if you're serious about your wife's safety, you'll tell her to fuck herself before the rapist does, and give into purchasing a firearm.
What the fuck are you talking about?!
Fuck herself? Why don't you explain yourself, I didn't report this before, and now you cry about me " bashing " you???!!!


[ personal insult  removed ]

Last edited by ATG (2007-05-18 21:13:03)

Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7008
Now ATG knows what it's like to argue against the gun nuts.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6976|Global Command

Bubbalo wrote:

Now ATG knows what it's like to argue against the gun nuts.
God.
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7213|Cambridge (UK)

ATG wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Now ATG knows what it's like to argue against the gun nuts.
God.
<*puts on deep booming voice*>

Yes?
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7008

ATG wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Now ATG knows what it's like to argue against the gun nuts.
God.
Not saying that you're a gun nut, you just don't often get a chance to argue with them.  I imagine it must be pretty similar to arguing with someone like Ikarti?
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,073|7219|PNW

Bubbalo wrote:

Right..................so we'll just run around with guns with safeties off.  But then, if it's in a holster then the assailant has plenty of time to sneak up on you.  So I guess we'll have to carry them in firing position.  Which makes it real easy to do out tasks.

And surely if the attacker is going to shoot you, he's going to do it before you turn around to shoot him.

Seriously, some of the people on this forum must have met some really inept criminals.
Yet criminals do get shot, so they obviously do make some mistakes.

Bubbalo wrote:

Now ATG knows what it's like to argue against the gun nuts.
Most of us gun nuts aren't actually...nuts.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7008

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Right..................so we'll just run around with guns with safeties off.  But then, if it's in a holster then the assailant has plenty of time to sneak up on you.  So I guess we'll have to carry them in firing position.  Which makes it real easy to do out tasks.

And surely if the attacker is going to shoot you, he's going to do it before you turn around to shoot him.

Seriously, some of the people on this forum must have met some really inept criminals.
Yet criminals do get shot, so they obviously do make some mistakes.
How many of them get shot by people wandering around with unloaded guns as has been suggested?  I'm willing to bet not a whole lot.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Now ATG knows what it's like to argue against the gun nuts.
Most of us gun nuts aren't actually...nuts.
Oh please, allow me to clarify:

Whilst I don't believe everyone who supports gun ownership/usage for self defence is a gun nut, there are a number of people here saying utterly ridiculous things, who ATG is having to argue with.  There are plenty of perfectly rational people who disagree with me on the issue of gun control.  There are also some gun nuts who disagree with me on the issue of gun control.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6976|Global Command

Bubbalo wrote:

ATG wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Now ATG knows what it's like to argue against the gun nuts.
God.
Not saying that you're a gun nut, you just don't often get a chance to argue with them.  I imagine it must be pretty similar to arguing with someone like Ikarti?
Who?

you mean the guy currently registered as Sanjiya?
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,073|7219|PNW

Bubbalo wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Right..................so we'll just run around with guns with safeties off.  But then, if it's in a holster then the assailant has plenty of time to sneak up on you.  So I guess we'll have to carry them in firing position.  Which makes it real easy to do out tasks.

And surely if the attacker is going to shoot you, he's going to do it before you turn around to shoot him.

Seriously, some of the people on this forum must have met some really inept criminals.
Yet criminals do get shot, so they obviously do make some mistakes.
How many of them get shot by people wandering around with unloaded guns as has been suggested?  I'm willing to bet not a whole lot.
I haven't followed the threat too close, so I might've missed something. What good is an unloaded gun going to do anyone, besides look intimidating? Who in world history has been actually shot by an unloaded gun? I keep a loaded hammerless .38 secured in a pocket. The trigger action is so stiff that nothing but a finger or careless break-dancing with keys sharing the same pocket is going to fire it.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-05-18 21:36:25)

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