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Yaocelotl wrote:

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

Answer:

Because Muslims kill westerners because they are westerners. Not because they are Christian or Jewish or what not.
Wrong, it's because they are not muslin thus infidels.
No. What happened was in 1918 Britain and France divided the ME amongst themselves. They put different ethnic groups how though both Muslim didn't like each other together. Then in many Jews started immigrating into the British territory of Palestine from Eastern Europe. The Arabs and the Jews both wanted Palestine to be an independent country, however the two wanted the land for themselves. So the two attacked each other and the British. Eventually the British made Palestine an Arab state and Israel a Jewish state. Now the West continued to dip its hands into the ME for its oil, often exploiting the regions instability. This first truly got started when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, which at the time was in a state of civil war. So the Americans gave the Afghans weapons to fight the Soviets, however America also supported Israel even through its conquering of Arab controlled lands that were not its according to the 1948 agreements. Because of this many Arabs thought the US to be bad, so they attacked it. Then the US counter attacked and started bombing terrorists in Afghanistan. While they did kill many terrorist and destablize the terrorist leadership American attacks cause much colateral damage. Then the US attacked the Arab state of Iraq and you should know the rest.

In the end religion is not the reason they hate us. They hate us because the West has been imposing things  that they didn't agree to on them for 90 years and they hate it, so they hate the people who did that which happens to be us. Nothing to do with the difference of religion.
Major_Spittle
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doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

Yaocelotl wrote:

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

Answer:

Because Muslims kill westerners because they are westerners. Not because they are Christian or Jewish or what not.
Wrong, it's because they are not muslin thus infidels.
No. What happened was in 1918 Britain and France divided the ME amongst themselves. They put different ethnic groups how though both Muslim didn't like each other together. Then in many Jews started immigrating into the British territory of Palestine from Eastern Europe. The Arabs and the Jews both wanted Palestine to be an independent country, however the two wanted the land for themselves. So the two attacked each other and the British. Eventually the British made Palestine an Arab state and Israel a Jewish state. Now the West continued to dip its hands into the ME for its oil, often exploiting the regions instability. This first truly got started when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, which at the time was in a state of civil war. So the Americans gave the Afghans weapons to fight the Soviets, however America also supported Israel even through its conquering of Arab controlled lands that were not its according to the 1948 agreements. Because of this many Arabs thought the US to be bad, so they attacked it. Then the US counter attacked and started bombing terrorists in Afghanistan. While they did kill many terrorist and destablize the terrorist leadership American attacks cause much colateral damage. Then the US attacked the Arab state of Iraq and you should know the rest.

In the end religion is not the reason they hate us. They hate us because the West has been imposing things  that they didn't agree to on them for 90 years and they hate it, so they hate the people who did that which happens to be us. Nothing to do with the difference of religion.
^^^^^ GACK, I found some.  Were you educated by overhearing a couple stoners argue about this and just take the info as the complete history of the conflict and what they said as true, your knowledge of history is very spotty, slanted, and generalised.

GO HEMP!!!!  gee, how did I know you are a liberal pot head and where you got that knowledge?
ATG
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Spit, it's generalizing to say all pot heads are bad. cough cough
Doctor Strangelove
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Major_Spittle wrote:

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

Yaocelotl wrote:


Wrong, it's because they are not muslin thus infidels.
No. What happened was in 1918 Britain and France divided the ME amongst themselves. They put different ethnic groups how though both Muslim didn't like each other together. Then in many Jews started immigrating into the British territory of Palestine from Eastern Europe. The Arabs and the Jews both wanted Palestine to be an independent country, however the two wanted the land for themselves. So the two attacked each other and the British. Eventually the British made Palestine an Arab state and Israel a Jewish state. Now the West continued to dip its hands into the ME for its oil, often exploiting the regions instability. This first truly got started when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, which at the time was in a state of civil war. So the Americans gave the Afghans weapons to fight the Soviets, however America also supported Israel even through its conquering of Arab controlled lands that were not its according to the 1948 agreements. Because of this many Arabs thought the US to be bad, so they attacked it. Then the US counter attacked and started bombing terrorists in Afghanistan. While they did kill many terrorist and destablize the terrorist leadership American attacks cause much colateral damage. Then the US attacked the Arab state of Iraq and you should know the rest.

In the end religion is not the reason they hate us. They hate us because the West has been imposing things  that they didn't agree to on them for 90 years and they hate it, so they hate the people who did that which happens to be us. Nothing to do with the difference of religion.
^^^^^ GACK, I found some.  Were you educated by overhearing a couple stoners argue about this and just take the info as the complete history of the conflict and what they said as true, your knowledge of history is very spotty, slanted, and generalised.

GO HEMP!!!!  gee, how did I know you are a liberal pot head and where you got that knowledge?
My history teacher is pretty moderate.

He also has a saying "don't let the fact ruin your opinions", I think you follow it quite well.
Mitch
16 more years
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Major_Spittle wrote:

I don't know why Mormons don't Kill Catholics and Catholics don't Kill Baptists?  Baptists should most certainly be killing Hindus.  The Hindus need to Kill more Protestants before they wipe out the Buddhists.  Oh, and don't even get me started on all of them tolerating the Jews.  Atheists most certainly will need to be locked up by all the religions because they are dangerous.

But these religions all get along.  I never see wars breaking out in America between these religions.

Why?  Can one liberal here please tell me why?

What is wrong with these people?  Can they not even form one decent terrorist organization to blow up a church and cleans their neighborhood of non believers.  Surely the terrorists could just hide within a community of like minded people and not be reported or captured.
Liberal? Lol
Well, im a strong republican but more importantly an atheist. And to me, the fact that theres so many religions automaticaly proves that none of them are real.
15 more years! 15 more years!
Major_Spittle
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doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:


No. What happened was in 1918 Britain and France divided the ME amongst themselves. They put different ethnic groups how though both Muslim didn't like each other together. Then in many Jews started immigrating into the British territory of Palestine from Eastern Europe. The Arabs and the Jews both wanted Palestine to be an independent country, however the two wanted the land for themselves. So the two attacked each other and the British. Eventually the British made Palestine an Arab state and Israel a Jewish state. Now the West continued to dip its hands into the ME for its oil, often exploiting the regions instability. This first truly got started when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, which at the time was in a state of civil war. So the Americans gave the Afghans weapons to fight the Soviets, however America also supported Israel even through its conquering of Arab controlled lands that were not its according to the 1948 agreements. Because of this many Arabs thought the US to be bad, so they attacked it. Then the US counter attacked and started bombing terrorists in Afghanistan. While they did kill many terrorist and destablize the terrorist leadership American attacks cause much colateral damage. Then the US attacked the Arab state of Iraq and you should know the rest.

In the end religion is not the reason they hate us. They hate us because the West has been imposing things  that they didn't agree to on them for 90 years and they hate it, so they hate the people who did that which happens to be us. Nothing to do with the difference of religion.
^^^^^ GACK, I found some.  Were you educated by overhearing a couple stoners argue about this and just take the info as the complete history of the conflict and what they said as true, your knowledge of history is very spotty, slanted, and generalised.

GO HEMP!!!!  gee, how did I know you are a liberal pot head and where you got that knowledge?
My history teacher is pretty moderate.

He also has a saying "don't let the fact ruin your opinions", I think you follow it quite well.
Does your teach smoke pot?
oug
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Major_Spittle wrote:

In 2001 a group of Muslims flew planes into the WTC, Pentagon, and a farmers field.  They killed over 3000 people that they referred to as "infidels" in their statements.  They did these attacks in the name of their religion.  It was Islamic.
They hit the World Trade Centre - a clear symbol of capitalism and globalisation.
And you think they did it for religious reasons? lol
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ATG
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oug wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

In 2001 a group of Muslims flew planes into the WTC, Pentagon, and a farmers field.  They killed over 3000 people that they referred to as "infidels" in their statements.  They did these attacks in the name of their religion.  It was Islamic.
They hit the World Trade Centre - a clear symbol of capitalism and globalisation.
And you think they did it for religious reasons? lol
They weren't chanting " down with capatalism! " as they killed themselves.
Major_Spittle
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oug wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

In 2001 a group of Muslims flew planes into the WTC, Pentagon, and a farmers field.  They killed over 3000 people that they referred to as "infidels" in their statements.  They did these attacks in the name of their religion.  It was Islamic.
They hit the World Trade Centre - a clear symbol of capitalism and globalisation.
And you think they did it for religious reasons? lol
No, I think it was a clear symbol of the number " 11 " and that is why they hit it.

Here's your sign.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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ATG wrote:

oug wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

In 2001 a group of Muslims flew planes into the WTC, Pentagon, and a farmers field.  They killed over 3000 people that they referred to as "infidels" in their statements.  They did these attacks in the name of their religion.  It was Islamic.
They hit the World Trade Centre - a clear symbol of capitalism and globalisation.
And you think they did it for religious reasons? lol
They weren't chanting " down with capatalism! " as they killed themselves.
Sure about that?

But I think it's kind of obvious that this wasn't so much a religious attack as a calculated political attack from a religion-ated group.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Major_Spittle
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Spark wrote:

ATG wrote:

oug wrote:

They hit the World Trade Centre - a clear symbol of capitalism and globalisation.
And you think they did it for religious reasons? lol
They weren't chanting " down with capatalism! " as they killed themselves.
Sure about that?

But I think it's kind of obvious that this wasn't so much a religious attack as a calculated political attack from a religion-ated group.
Ummmmm, have you ever hear of Osama Bin Ladin?  Do you remember why he said he attacked America and him Quoting some old book and stuff?

The goal of the attack was to hurt America and Americans as much as possible, BECAUSE we were evil and his God demanded it.  Thus the whole Jihad thingy and Virgins to screw dead terrorists and stuff.

Whoa, Go Hemp!!!!

hint: NO, Osama bin ladin is not a Democratic Senator from MA.  Nothing to do with politics.

Last edited by Major_Spittle (2007-05-19 18:54:22)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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Major_Spittle wrote:

Spark wrote:

ATG wrote:


They weren't chanting " down with capatalism! " as they killed themselves.
Sure about that?

But I think it's kind of obvious that this wasn't so much a religious attack as a calculated political attack from a religion-ated group.
Ummmmm, have you ever hear of Osama Bin Ladin?  Do you remember why he said he attacked America and him Quoting some old book and stuff?

The goal of the attack was to hurt America and Americans as much as possible, BECAUSE we were evil and his God demanded it.  Thus the whole Jihad thingy and Virgins to screw dead terrorists and stuff.

Whoa, Go Hemp!!!!
So... you're saying the motives were purely religious? Nothing to do with politics? Nothing to do with intimidating the American government and people? Nothing to do with Saudi Arabia's alarmingly close relations with America? Nothing to do with the fact that that^^^ is the reason OBL got into the whole Islamic terror business anyway?

Give me a break.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
oug
Calmer than you are.
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ATG wrote:

They weren't chanting " down with capatalism! " as they killed themselves.
What were they chanting then? Down with Christianity? I think the WTC was as clear a message as can be. Seriously what more do you guys need?

And what is it with number 11 Major_Spittle? I honestly don't know.
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BornToKill67
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Major_Spittle wrote:

Atheists most certainly will need to be locked up by all the religions because they are dangerous.
Whats wrong with us? Isn't your post more a matter of opinion?
ATG
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They went after the towers simply because 30k plus people worked there, and the goat humping  bastards wanted nothing more than to kill as many as possible.
They wanted the buildings to tip over and take out other buildings killing even more in the name of Allah.

I hear you though, obviously there was politics involved.
Doctor Strangelove
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Major_Spittle wrote:

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:


^^^^^ GACK, I found some.  Were you educated by overhearing a couple stoners argue about this and just take the info as the complete history of the conflict and what they said as true, your knowledge of history is very spotty, slanted, and generalised.

GO HEMP!!!!  gee, how did I know you are a liberal pot head and where you got that knowledge?
My history teacher is pretty moderate.

He also has a saying "don't let the fact ruin your opinions", I think you follow it quite well.
Does your teach smoke pot?
No, you just don't know when to quit.
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6966|Πάϊ

Major_Spittle wrote:

Ummmmm, have you ever hear of Osama Bin Ladin?  Do you remember why he said he attacked America and him Quoting some old book and stuff?

The goal of the attack was to hurt America and Americans as much as possible, BECAUSE we were evil and his God demanded it.  Thus the whole Jihad thingy and Virgins to screw dead terrorists and stuff.

Whoa, Go Hemp!!!!

hint: NO, Osama bin ladin is not a Democratic Senator from MA.  Nothing to do with politics.
LOL Where to start... maybe from the fact that the CIA "created" Osama Bin Laden when he was fighting against the Russians. Does that count as politics for you?

can't believe I'm even having this conversation!
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Major_Spittle
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oug wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

Ummmmm, have you ever hear of Osama Bin Ladin?  Do you remember why he said he attacked America and him Quoting some old book and stuff?

The goal of the attack was to hurt America and Americans as much as possible, BECAUSE we were evil and his God demanded it.  Thus the whole Jihad thingy and Virgins to screw dead terrorists and stuff.

Whoa, Go Hemp!!!!

hint: NO, Osama bin ladin is not a Democratic Senator from MA.  Nothing to do with politics.
LOL Where to start... maybe from the fact that the CIA "created" Osama Bin Laden when he was fighting against the Russians. Does that count as politics for you?

can't believe I'm even having this conversation!
So a Jihad is a Political war and Mohammad is a politician.  Everything goes right back to the Quaran. 

CIA did not create Osama, and I don't recall him saying the Attacks on America were because the CIA created him.  doy!

The towers were attacked because they were large buildings filled with people that are landmarks and would cripple the US economy.  It was all strategic.
oug
Calmer than you are.
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Major_Spittle wrote:

So a Jihad is a Political war and Mohammad is a politician.  Everything goes right back to the Quaran. 

CIA did not create Osama, and I don't recall him saying the Attacks on America were because the CIA created him.  doy!

The towers were attacked because they were large buildings filled with people that are landmarks and would cripple the US economy.  It was all strategic.
No two buildings would ever cripple US economy when destroyed. And the fact that they were large buildings with lots of people in them has nothing to do with them being a target. The Pentagon was hit also remember? The targets were specific, and they all carried a meaning. If you choose to ignore it because it suits your theory about religious fanatics that's fine. As far as Jihad goes, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. So here:

wikipedia wrote:

The primary aim of jihad is not the conversion of non-Muslims to Islam by force, but rather the expansion and defense of the Islamic state. In the classical manuals of Islamic jurisprudence, the rules associated with armed warfare are covered at great length.[3] Such rules include not killing women, children and non-combatants, as well as not damaging cultivated or residential areas.[5] More recently, modern Muslims have tried to re-interpret the Islamic sources, stressing that Jihad is essentially defensive warfare aimed at protecting Muslims and Islam.[3] Although some Islamic scholars have differered on the implementation of Jihad, there is consensus amongst them that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against persecution and oppression.[6] Some Muslims believe that the Prophet Muhammad regarded the inner struggle for faith a greater Jihad than even fighting [by force] in the way of God.
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