Ridir wrote:
So close one of our deepwater ports or just the detainment center?
Just the detainment centre. Charge those you have evidence against, free the rest.
Ridir wrote:
Withdrawing from Iraq leads to what? a larger more broad civil war that will more then likely suck in several neighboring countries? Oh and if we had just waited until Saddam had died there was the probability of this happening anyway (the Civil war, civil unrest and daily killings) seems to happen a lot after a facist leaves power, and he had two sons not one, so there would probably have been infighting there as well.
You asked what needed to be done to change opinion, I'm just giving you the newsflash. Are you suggesting remaining in Iraq forever? Because with the US there will NEVER be peace. Just consider that when you blow the overblown trumpet of 'stay the course'. As for what happens next in Iraq: that is a concern for Iraqis not us. Certainly not for a nation that lies 10,000 miles away from Iraq. Civil war is needed and must be allowed to play out naturally. The rest of the world dislikes it when a nation unnecessarily intervenes in other nations affairs. The only time that they condone it is when the mission is seen as almost totally selfless.
Ridir wrote:
Play fair on Israel? So because you don't like the way things are done it is unfair? I've read most of the Israel/Palestine/insurgent group post and you support the Palestine/insurgents 100% Israel 0% because it is the way you were brought up and your beliefs are nearly set in stone. I on the other hand support Israel most of the time but there are some things that I see that could be done better, of course that is from an outside point of view without the suicide bombings, rockets, etc flying at my head. Just because you think it doesn't make it fair.
So supporting the idea of a two state solution is supporting Israel 0%. You might want to take a look at your fucking 'road map' to peace in the middle east. The US has vetoed practically every resolution condemning Israeli human rights abuses since the foundation of the state of Israel. A lot of time the entire world stands in unison against Israeli atrocities at the UN with one glaring exception: USA (Germany usually abstains). Remember the OP question. I'm just explaining why the US is seen as unfair in this regard and is an obstacle to peace between Israel and Palestine. You can support Israeli goals without wholeheartedly endorsing theft/human rights abuses. It is anothe double standard that irks people in 'the outside world'.
Ridir wrote:
Encouraging democracy is a lie in any way shape and form, we're a republic. Besides the misnaming issue there is the issue of each case is unique and different. If you expect everything to fall into neat little cookie cutter situations and one "fair & balanced" consistent way would work everytime then you are more niave then you first appeared.
Again - this is a major reason why 'world opinion' is currently anti-US. You spew lies at your press conferences and carry out hypocritical acts and expect people to be like 'Yeah! Go USA!'. France, the UK and Russia are just as big culprits but the US seems to have its grubby hands in more jars than the rest of them combined. People in the outside worlds generally assume the worst about true US intentions on the world stage from the mistrust built up from a) intransigent support for everything Israel does, b) pettiness with Cuba, c) undermining and subverting democracy throughout Latin America, d) turning a blind eye to the human rights abuses of stategic allies (e.g. Saudi Arabia), e) harping on about the Geneva Convention and then publishing photos of inmates at the draconian Gitmo detention centre. I think the duplicitness of recent US administrations have been exposed for all to see and people are now tired of it.
Ridir wrote:
For us to stop undermining democratically elected governments... well how about let's play fair. They don't undermine what we try and do and we don't undermine them. Oh and rigged elections don't count as democratically elected governments either.
Did your goverment tell you such and such election was rigged? All about who you believe. Shouldn't be any of your business anyway - it should be a matter for those in the country in question alone. And who the fuck is undermining the US government?
Ridir wrote:
What do you want? Non-military action with kisses, hugs, and a few million dollars for a relief fund through the U.N. Of course it just would not end up like the food donations from the U.N., you know hijacked by the "freedom fighters" of the region and used for their ends not what the United Nations has in mind such as the poor starving people.
Yea, sure, Iraq had a bad case. Only evidence and testimonials from the previous adminstration (both Al Gore and Bill Clinton were caught on camera saying that Iraq had and would continue to research, develop, and maintain weapons of mass destruction). The war against Iraq was an excellent example of military might. The conflict sense then has been dragged on by outside forces such as terrorist organizations and other nations (Syria and Iran to name two) training and shipping in fighters. Of all of the terrorist acts last year I believe 47% were in Iraq (according to either MSN or TIME magazine). These aren't just going to stop if the US leaves, they will continue until either a new fasict regime is in place or Iraq becomes a puppet government for Iran, or part of Iran; much more likely a puppet government for a time until the hate between smoldering factions dies down due to propoganda.
I've posted my tactics several times. Typical pro-war response: 'action with kisses, hugs, and a few million dollars for a relief fund'. This is getting really old.
1. Seal western borders watertight. Spend billions on border security, airport security, international rail-link security and seaport security. Employ Israeli standards of airport/seaport/border security (I've been subjected to it myself and can declare without reservation that it IS the best in the world) - they live in the midst millions of people who hate their guts and these days suicide bombings, etc. are very very few and far between.
2. Spend billions on domestic and international intelligence gathering and domestic policing/surveillance (within reasonable boundaries).
3. Never cede the moral high ground or abandon your principles. Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay are draconian and unjust stains on the free world and they do not promote trust or goodwill.
4. Face up to the fact that the west overlooks Israeli human rights violations and contravention of international law and address these issues. Boycott Israel and let them fend for themselves.
5. End economic imperialism and underhanded and opportunistic foreign policy. Adopt isolationism.
6. Spend billions on researching alternative fuel sources.
