CameronPoe, for someone as intelligent as yourself, that was a pretty brash and ignorant thing to say.CameronPoe wrote:
For the sake of the rest of the world I can only hope a Democrat or an Independent is elected president of America. Otherwise may God have mercy on our souls.
Does the map show social strata? No. The crux of your argument was based on particular strata of society voting Democrat, therefore your map is largely redundant.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
It is a map of voting patterns, what could be a more obvious case of back peddling. You really make me laugh.
It's funny how detached this has become from some of the earlier arguments. You stated 'Gore Won the slums of the Urban centers and the Liberal elite.' Despite the ludicrousness of this generalisation the point is that whether you like it or not Gore garnered more votes than George W. Bush. 500,000 more. To suggest that 'average working taxpayers' didn't vote for Gore is frankly amazing because if that is the case you are telling me that less than half the people in America pay tax and work hard. You are also suggesting that America has some pretty fucking big slums.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
you make your own definition despite the fact that the actual term I used was
”slums of the Urban centers “
EVERY city has a slum. EVERY city. There are ALWAYS poor people in modern free market capitalist economies. There has to be - otherwise it wouldn't work. I've been to New York several times. If you are trying to tell me that Hell's Kitchen, parts of Queens, the Bronx, the Lower Eastside and Brooklyn are 'slum-free' then you're seriously deluded. And they are problems of the nation. Each city forms part of a nation and each city's respective problems form part of the overall problems of the country. Are you saying New Orleans was not owed some form of federal assistance in the wake of Hurricane Katrina? Would you regard it solely as 'their problem'? An important shipping hub and refinery centre on your south coast? If so then you're more mercenary and self-centred than I thought.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
These are not “ problems of a nation ” they are problems of a Slum and not every city has a Slum.
The Slums of NYC are rapidly disappearing and can no longer be found anywhere in Manhattan.
Guiliani was a Conservative Republican, it didn’t take him long either. The Liberals gave him Carte Blanch were their own interests and safety were concerned. Hypocrites that they are.
My mistake. Silicon Valley is an area of great natural beauty with rolling verdant green hills dotted with sheep and cattle. It's hardly built up at all......Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Typical poe Addressees one point of five “FTW” and that’s wrong too. Some one needs to “Google Earth ” Silicon Valley
No it's not exclusive to cities: it's just that the overwhelming majority of poor people flock to cities and burden the infrastructure of urban centres, an almost uniquely urban phenomenon. When I spent three months in the Wisconsin countryside I saw little, if any, poverty or burdensome types. One would almost imagine USA was a paradise if one didn't leave the confines of the fertile countryside.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Probably does what’s your point? Poor people are not exclusive to the Cities in the USA. Your talk and you don’t know the topic at all. Getting to be a waste of time talking to you.CameronPoe wrote:
Aaww I see - that's why all the homeless and poor flock out to the countryside for employment. For a second there I thought the city of San Francisco had the largest homeless population in the entire US of A. Silly me.
How's about: GET AN EARLIER BUS OR TRAIN. It's called the hardships of life.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
DC and LA. ? Shinny and Clean and covers very little of the actually city, its ok if you’re a tourist. Try living there. If you live near a stop and your Jobs is also, that’s pretty rare. I am spoiled because The NYC system is so vast. Busses get stuck in rush hour traffic. Not reliable in an Urban area. Typical to address one point out of four…and fail
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02 … index.htmlHunter/Jumper wrote:
I see you have. In NYC the Port Authority is basically a bus station now. The Great Port that was once NYC and The Brooklyn Naval yard is basically abandon.
The piers have become Golfing ranges., Nite Clubs, Riding Clubs, Basket Ball courts, Movie studios. And Skating Rinks. Once again you have not a clue about what your claiming great knowledge in. You loose, again.
So why was the US government so concerned about an Arab company taking over management of the port of Newark, New Jersey (part of the New York, Boston, Philly conurbation - essentially the Greater New York metropolitan area)? According to you the port probably sees little or no containership action whatsoever....
I find it odd that the financial capital of the US, possibly the world, exports NOTHING whatsoever outside of the confines of the five boroughs.....Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Into NYC? yes.CameronPoe wrote:
Are you telling me goods ONLY go in the way? .
Erm. The axiom doesn't just hold for USA. Other countries who don't have parole at all show the same crime-population density correlation. 'Failed again'. lol. I really hate all the muggers, rapists, pushers and thieves out there in the Appalachians - you can't move for the fuckers there's so many of them... logic it appears is not your strong point.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Laugh all you want. Insult all you want. They did. The correlation between crime and population density. Does not appear in every city. the correlation between crime and population density has changed drastically by simply restricting the Failed Liberal Policy of Parole. It now seems “ population density ” was not the reason for Crime. Failed again Poe.CameronPoe wrote:
You would have to be a drooling neanderthal not to understand the correlation between crime and population density. Law enforcement in the country is more manageable because there are adequate resources and low population density. If 'the country' had the winderful wonderful magical solution to crime I think they would be implementing that in the cities as we speak...lol.
http://www.crimereduction.gov.uk/rural21.htm
That's weird. I wonder why my Dad didn't stop looking for work while he was unemployed in the 1980s. Life is SOOOooo good when you feed off the meagre scraps thrown down by the government to prevent you from sinking into oblivion. You make unemployment sound like some kind of paradise. Have you seen the kind of housing they receive? They're the most dead end depressing cesspits you can lay your eyes on. If I was stuck in that I'd be damn sure to try my hardest to get myself out of there and find somewhere better. The minority of leeches you speak of are a minority that will always exist and will never cease to be. They really are the dregs of society. 99% of humans will seek to better themselves.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
If you are trying to make a point I wish you would. Its only when the Government is the sole provider and cause of subsistence living that it becomes a real self perpetuating problem. For one example, make more money = Loose government housing. There are many more.
This was addressed in your maturely put post which has since been closed. By the way - tearing someone's opinion apart in an arrogant condescending manner != a personal attack. Calling someone a playground name = a personal attack.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
H/J wrote:
So demonstrably incorrect its comical. Really Who here is displaying the characteristics of a sanitized view of society? The naïveté of adolescence? Tell us what country’s politics are not dominated by self interest in your un-sanitized and superior, enlightened and progressive view?.CameronPoe wrote:
NORWAY, SWEDEN, SWITZERLAND.
roflmao
*hugs*
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OK Ron Paul is fine by me too.R0lyP0ly wrote:
CameronPoe, for someone as intelligent as yourself, that was a pretty brash and ignorant thing to say.CameronPoe wrote:
For the sake of the rest of the world I can only hope a Democrat or an Independent is elected president of America. Otherwise may God have mercy on our souls.
no i'll vote, but i'm voting 3rd party. I could care less about republicans and democrats, the'yre both basically the same thing now.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
so you wont be voting?Bonesaw wrote:
Who cares. Its already been proven that the Diebold voting machines are rigged and can and have been altered to affect elections. Your vote doesn't count. Unless you live in Florida where they went back to paper.
there may be a viable 3rd party this election but be carefull you arent throwing your vote away. Its more responsible (it seems to me) to vote for the best "electable" candidate. I completely understand your frustration however.Bonesaw wrote:
no i'll vote, but i'm voting 3rd party. I could care less about republicans and democrats, the'yre both basically the same thing now.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
so you wont be voting?Bonesaw wrote:
Who cares. Its already been proven that the Diebold voting machines are rigged and can and have been altered to affect elections. Your vote doesn't count. Unless you live in Florida where they went back to paper.
Darnit Cam, how many more times does Hunter/Jumper have to tell you that you lose and you fail before you finally listen to the poor guy?
No its not, as I know the area and know the social strata in the area. Sorry.CameronPoe wrote:
Does the map show social strata? No. The crux of your argument was based on particular strata of society voting Democrat, therefore your map is largely redundant..
It was a “Generalization” of course and its “your opinion” that it ludicrous.CameronPoe wrote:
Despite the ludicrousness of this generalisation the point is that whether you like it or not Gore garnered more votes than George W. Bush. 500,000 more. To suggest that 'average working taxpayers' didn't vote for Gore is frankly amazing because if that is the case you are telling me that less than half the people in America pay tax and work hard. You are also suggesting that America has some pretty fucking big slums.
Again. what I said was, “Gore Won the slums of the Urban centers and the Liberal elite.” For some reason you focus on Slums. ?Yes we have big slums and seem to want to create and promote more. Obviously Gore had some other people vote for him and just assuredly Bush got a vote or two from Compton, but for his voter base……you get it.
It was the people who bought the “ Free health care” line the same line from 1992 & 1996. Who voted for him. Not everyone did, Bush was elected.
More Example
If two Pro abortion, Fiscal Conservative, Catholic. Democrats were running and one “Candidate A”
was Pro Second Amendment and the other Candidate B had a poor voting record on gun rites.
All else being equal, If the Pro Second Amendment candidate A Won .
I would have made the sweeping generalization “ Candidate A won the NRA Vote “ get it?
Hunter/Jumper wrote:
These are not “ problems of a nation ” they are problems of a Slum and not every city has a Slum.
The Slums of NYC are rapidly disappearing and can no longer be found anywhere in Manhattan.
Guiliani was a Conservative Republican, it didn’t take him long either. The Liberals gave him Carte Blanch were their own interests and safety were concerned. Hypocrites that they are.
Wait are you saying “a successful capitalist society needs the poor to function“? I highly doubt it. I think you may want to reword this, otherwise… Two very bold statements. I firmly believe both are wrong.CameronPoe wrote:
EVERY city has a slum. EVERY city. There are ALWAYS poor people in modern free market capitalist economies. There has to be - otherwise it wouldn't work..
Very upscale now, It underwent a building boom, very big bucks to live there now. I will send you pix. I was there Wends. And Thursday, Sorry your wrong about Hells Kitchen. By any chance did you glean this information from a movie about the Westies ?CameronPoe wrote:
I've been to New York several times. If you are trying to tell me that Hell's Kitchen, .
I have been to Queens but I am still very ignorant of this area. I can never tell when I am leaving Brooklyn and entering Queens Or Leaving Queens and entering Long Island . Still most parts of Queens are Very nice and expensive.. I give you this one however.CameronPoe wrote:
parts of Queens, .
Getting better fast but this is the worst of NYC. But still, The worst of the Bronx is commercial areas only, That’s why nefarious types go there. Only Hookers and people looking for hookers loiter in front of an auto impound at night. Riverdale in the Bronx is probably the most expensive address in NYC. Keep trying.CameronPoe wrote:
the Bronx,.
Very upscale now, very trendy too. Except for the projects, See any pattern evolving.CameronPoe wrote:
the Lower Eastside .
another insult, Make sure you cry to the mods again if I counter !CameronPoe wrote:
and Brooklyn are 'slum-free' then you're seriously deluded. .
Brooklyn is coming up fast I have property there and dare not sell it its going up in value so fast. Yes Brooklyn has` some slums and the basis for my argument is that “the Areas that Remain slums only do so because they have Public Housing tracts“, “The Projects” in them. This is what fosters and maintains the subsistence level dependency cycle. In my opinion.
Yet another insult. But what is with this bizarre departure ? It has no Bering on the topic.CameronPoe wrote:
“EVERY city has a slum. EVERY city “ And they are problems of the nation. Each city forms part of a nation and each city's respective problems form part of the overall problems of the country. Are you saying New Orleans was not owed some form of federal assistance in the wake of Hurricane Katrina? Would you regard it solely as 'their problem'? An important shipping hub and refinery centre on your south coast? If so then you're more mercenary and self-centred than I thought.
“ If you don’t like cats you must be Phobic “ you are some Hall of Fame Debater ?
Please resist the temptation to Roll your eyes. Your sig is a “ Freudian delight “ as it is. You look so sated !CameronPoe wrote:
My mistake. Silicon Valley is an area of great natural beauty with rolling verdant green hills dotted with sheep and cattle. It's hardly built up at all......
Do you recall reading these words “Its clear that perhaps in Ireland, the lines between city and country are a little more sharply drawn. The USA Grew up around the Automobile, the “ hi tech ” industries and manufacturing bases you speak of are not restricted to urban areas in fact in the last 40 years or so corporations have made it a point to relocate in more open areas for tax purposes and other reasons. “The Silicon Valley” is a typical example, these places are referred to as “tech centers” or “industrial parks” and are usually very suburban. “
Ask any American if that looks like an “industrial park” PS. Does it look like you might need an Automobile to live there? This photo could pass for any suburban area. That could be Madison NJ ( not a city ) from the air It would look very similar in an aerial photo. Any large mall will look like that and almost every suburban area has one Replete with huge Walmart, Home Depot, Sears etc.
Please have the level head to let me tell you about the places I live and you can do the same. Describing America to me in a minutiae of detail while you are half a world away doesn’t make much sense. Especially from some one who claims to know The Palestinian problem in detail because “ He visited there once ! “ I live here now. Lets just forget this line of argument as it has become circular. Please ?
Hunter/Jumper wrote:
In NYC the Port Authority is basically a bus station now. The Great Port that was once NYC and The Brooklyn Naval yard is basically abandon.
The piers have become Golfing ranges., Nite Clubs, Riding Clubs, Basket Ball courts, Movie studios. And Skating Rinks. Once again you have not a clue about what your claiming great knowledge in. You loose, again.
Can you read ? “ in NYC the Port Authority “ we weren’t talking of “ Newark, New Jersey (part of the New York, Boston, Philly “ so please stop this constant evasive tactic of re-imagining the topic to add a petty insult. By the way the entire “ US government concerned about an Arab company taking over management of the port of Newark, New Jersey was a non issue and a fraud. Many foreign owned companies already work in and operate in the NYC the Port Authority. “Skanska” [sp] for one I believe is a Swedish company. It is Staffed with locals. Swedes (or Arabs) might make up some of the executive officers but the rank and file labor force will not commute in.CameronPoe wrote:
So why was the US government so concerned about an Arab company taking over management of the port of Newark, New Jersey (part of the New York, Boston, Philly conurbation - essentially the Greater New York metropolitan area)? According to you the port probably sees little or no containership action whatsoever....
yes.CameronPoe wrote:
Are you telling me goods ONLY go in the way? Into NYC? .
noted.CameronPoe wrote:
I find it odd that the financial capital of the US, possibly the world, exports NOTHING whatsoever outside of the confines of the five boroughs......
Laugh all you want. Insult all you want. They did. The correlation between crime and population density. Does not appear in every city. the correlation between crime and population density has changed drastically by simply restricting the Failed Liberal Policy of Parole. It now seems “ population density ” was not the reason for Crime. Failed again Poe.CameronPoe wrote:
You would have to be a drooling neanderthal not to understand the correlation between crime and population density. Law enforcement in the country is more manageable because there are adequate resources and low population density. If 'the country' had the winderful wonderful magical solution to crime I think they would be implementing that in the cities as we speak...lol.
Discretion is not yours.CameronPoe wrote:
Erm. The axiom doesn't just hold for USA. Other countries who don't have parole at all show the same crime-population density correlation. 'Failed again'. lol. I really hate all the muggers, rapists, pushers and thieves out there in the Appalachians - you can't move for the fuckers there's so many of them... logic it appears is not your strong point..
Ok. here we go again, Please Re Read
The correlation between crime and population density. Does not appear in every city. Crime and population density has changed drastically by simply restricting “the Failed Liberal Policy” of Parole. It now seems “ population density ” was not the reason for Crime in NYC.
Hunter/Jumper wrote:
If you are trying to make a point I wish you would. Its only when the Government is the sole provider and cause of subsistence living that it becomes a real self perpetuating problem. For one example, make more money = Loose government housing. There are many more.
Did your dad , Your Granddad and his Granddad all grow up in the projects on Government assistance? I hope not.CameronPoe wrote:
That's weird. I wonder why my Dad didn't stop looking for work while he was unemployed in the 1980s. Life is SOOOooo good when you feed off the meagre scraps thrown down by the government to prevent you from sinking into oblivion. .
Did your dad loose his Housing putting you in the street and on the market for a home ( the biggest expense most Americans face ) by becoming self sufficient? These people are not stupid, they get jobs of the books and keep the housing for generations.
Can we both agree we are not talking about your dad here?
The classic Poe switch. I believe the topic was Slums The projects etc. Unemployment alone is inside the problem but not really the topic, is it ?CameronPoe wrote:
You make unemployment sound like some kind of paradise.
As for paradise, They have a Health care center in the Chelsea Projects. Indoor basketball courts and Arts Center “The Hudson Guild “ a Day care center. And several state of the art playgrounds were all the surfaces are coated with 4 inches of soft rubber. They also have parking. Who the hell gets parking in NYC? The premiere city of public transportation?
Keep in mind its still in NYC. Not a bad place to be in my opinion and yes I have seen it12 HOURS AGO, Its fine. They destroy it.CameronPoe wrote:
Have you seen the kind of housing they receive? They're the most dead end depressing cesspits you can lay your eyes on. .
I took photos with my Cell Phone,(12 HOURS AGO) Do you want to see them ?
You might. But what if your family had lived there for generations and you were raised to think it was your entitlement, that some one owed you a living?CameronPoe wrote:
If I was stuck in that I'd be damn sure to try my hardest to get myself out of there and find somewhere better. .
I never called them leaches, you did.CameronPoe wrote:
The minority of leeches you speak of are a minority that will always exist and will never cease to be. .
I never called them the dregs of society, you did. These last two comments put you on very thin ice among your compatriots.CameronPoe wrote:
They really are the dregs of society. 99% of humans will seek to better themselves..
PS I can E-Mail you photos of half the places I spoke of. I was there Yesterday. Would you like to paste them into the tread?
Hunter/Jumper wrote:
So demonstrably incorrect its comical. Really Who here is displaying the characteristics of a sanitized view of society? The naïveté of adolescence? Tell us what country’s politics are not dominated by self interest in your un-sanitized and superior, enlightened and progressive view?
did you happen to see the polls results before you had it closed?CameronPoe wrote:
NORWAY, SWEDEN, SWITZERLAND.
.
roflmao
This was addressed in your maturely put post which has since been closed. By the way - tearing someone's opinion apart in an arrogant condescending manner != a personal attack. Calling someone a playground name = a personal attack.*hugs*
Please give it a rest. Do you recall saying this just a week ago ?
I was never a duplicitous fraud. I must admit, I did stoop to retaliation, . I won’t do it again. Sorry.CameronPoe wrote:
I enjoy annoying people by acting arrogant and condescending - get over it.
Further
I have followed your posts from the very beginning.I read and took in ( information ? ) from places and events that felt I had little real knowledge of.
At first, I found your take on The middle East refreshing.
That is from my point of view, were I lived. In NYC. I felt like the light in the Forrest when I’d ask a simple question like “ Why is it we have close up photos of the results of a Terrorists bomb (twenty lbs of semtax) but when The IDF Air Force retaliates, ( Six planes, Six bombs on each, each bomb is 2000lbs.)
We only hear “ Israeli War planes hit targets “ ?
Our local press was heavily slanted to favor Israel.
However, You have wandered into my area of EXPIRENCE in one or two posts and I responded to them. Your insults were staggering and you will not allow reciprocation, so be it.
When I can, through first hand experience check on your veracity, your statements never hold up.
This is not to say your always wrong. Just when I can and want to check it out.
But it makes your credibility in my opinion very suspect.
Also, The tactic of changing the Question
is really beneath any attempt at credible discourse.Can you read ? “ in NYC the Port Authority “ we weren’t talking of “ Newark, New Jersey (part of the New York, Boston, Philly “
Debate Hall of Fame ?
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I'll address this tomorrow when I have time. You really don't know when to quit do you? You must have been up all night composing that one. Do I mean that much to you.... *hugs77*Hunter/Jumper wrote:
No its not, as I know the area and know the social strata in the area. Sorry.CameronPoe wrote:
Does the map show social strata? No. The crux of your argument was based on particular strata of society voting Democrat, therefore your map is largely redundant..It was a “Generalization” of course and its “your opinion” that it ludicrous.CameronPoe wrote:
Despite the ludicrousness of this generalisation the point is that whether you like it or not Gore garnered more votes than George W. Bush. 500,000 more. To suggest that 'average working taxpayers' didn't vote for Gore is frankly amazing because if that is the case you are telling me that less than half the people in America pay tax and work hard. You are also suggesting that America has some pretty fucking big slums.
Again. what I said was, “Gore Won the slums of the Urban centers and the Liberal elite.” For some reason you focus on Slums. ?Yes we have big slums and seem to want to create and promote more. Obviously Gore had some other people vote for him and just assuredly Bush got a vote or two from Compton, but for his voter base……you get it.
It was the people who bought the “ Free health care” line the same line from 1992 & 1996. Who voted for him. Not everyone did, Bush was elected.
More Example
If two Pro abortion, Fiscal Conservative, Catholic. Democrats were running and one “Candidate A”
was Pro Second Amendment and the other Candidate B had a poor voting record on gun rites.
All else being equal, If the Pro Second Amendment candidate A Won .
I would have made the sweeping generalization “ Candidate A won the NRA Vote “ get it?Hunter/Jumper wrote:
These are not “ problems of a nation ” they are problems of a Slum and not every city has a Slum.
The Slums of NYC are rapidly disappearing and can no longer be found anywhere in Manhattan.
Guiliani was a Conservative Republican, it didn’t take him long either. The Liberals gave him Carte Blanch were their own interests and safety were concerned. Hypocrites that they are.Wait are you saying “a successful capitalist society needs the poor to function“? I highly doubt it. I think you may want to reword this, otherwise… Two very bold statements. I firmly believe both are wrong.CameronPoe wrote:
EVERY city has a slum. EVERY city. There are ALWAYS poor people in modern free market capitalist economies. There has to be - otherwise it wouldn't work..
Very upscale now, It underwent a building boom, very big bucks to live there now. I will send you pix. I was there Wends. And Thursday, Sorry your wrong about Hells Kitchen. By any chance did you glean this information from a movie about the Westies ?CameronPoe wrote:
I've been to New York several times. If you are trying to tell me that Hell's Kitchen, .I have been to Queens but I am still very ignorant of this area. I can never tell when I am leaving Brooklyn and entering Queens Or Leaving Queens and entering Long Island . Still most parts of Queens are Very nice and expensive.. I give you this one however.CameronPoe wrote:
parts of Queens, .Getting better fast but this is the worst of NYC. But still, The worst of the Bronx is commercial areas only, That’s why nefarious types go there. Only Hookers and people looking for hookers loiter in front of an auto impound at night. Riverdale in the Bronx is probably the most expensive address in NYC. Keep trying.CameronPoe wrote:
the Bronx,.Very upscale now, very trendy too. Except for the projects, See any pattern evolving.CameronPoe wrote:
the Lower Eastside .another insult, Make sure you cry to the mods again if I counter !CameronPoe wrote:
and Brooklyn are 'slum-free' then you're seriously deluded. .
Brooklyn is coming up fast I have property there and dare not sell it its going up in value so fast. Yes Brooklyn has` some slums and the basis for my argument is that “the Areas that Remain slums only do so because they have Public Housing tracts“, “The Projects” in them. This is what fosters and maintains the subsistence level dependency cycle. In my opinion.Yet another insult. But what is with this bizarre departure ? It has no Bering on the topic.CameronPoe wrote:
“EVERY city has a slum. EVERY city “ And they are problems of the nation. Each city forms part of a nation and each city's respective problems form part of the overall problems of the country. Are you saying New Orleans was not owed some form of federal assistance in the wake of Hurricane Katrina? Would you regard it solely as 'their problem'? An important shipping hub and refinery centre on your south coast? If so then you're more mercenary and self-centred than I thought.
“ If you don’t like cats you must be Phobic “ you are some Hall of Fame Debater ?Please resist the temptation to Roll your eyes. Your sig is a “ Freudian delight “ as it is. You look so sated !CameronPoe wrote:
My mistake. Silicon Valley is an area of great natural beauty with rolling verdant green hills dotted with sheep and cattle. It's hardly built up at all......
Do you recall reading these words “Its clear that perhaps in Ireland, the lines between city and country are a little more sharply drawn. The USA Grew up around the Automobile, the “ hi tech ” industries and manufacturing bases you speak of are not restricted to urban areas in fact in the last 40 years or so corporations have made it a point to relocate in more open areas for tax purposes and other reasons. “The Silicon Valley” is a typical example, these places are referred to as “tech centers” or “industrial parks” and are usually very suburban. “
Ask any American if that looks like an “industrial park” PS. Does it look like you might need an Automobile to live there? This photo could pass for any suburban area. That could be Madison NJ ( not a city ) from the air It would look very similar in an aerial photo. Any large mall will look like that and almost every suburban area has one Replete with huge Walmart, Home Depot, Sears etc.
Please have the level head to let me tell you about the places I live and you can do the same. Describing America to me in a minutiae of detail while you are half a world away doesn’t make much sense. Especially from some one who claims to know The Palestinian problem in detail because “ He visited there once ! “ I live here now. Lets just forget this line of argument as it has become circular. Please ?Hunter/Jumper wrote:
In NYC the Port Authority is basically a bus station now. The Great Port that was once NYC and The Brooklyn Naval yard is basically abandon.
The piers have become Golfing ranges., Nite Clubs, Riding Clubs, Basket Ball courts, Movie studios. And Skating Rinks. Once again you have not a clue about what your claiming great knowledge in. You loose, again.Can you read ? “ in NYC the Port Authority “ we weren’t talking of “ Newark, New Jersey (part of the New York, Boston, Philly “ so please stop this constant evasive tactic of re-imagining the topic to add a petty insult. By the way the entire “ US government concerned about an Arab company taking over management of the port of Newark, New Jersey was a non issue and a fraud. Many foreign owned companies already work in and operate in the NYC the Port Authority. “Skanska” [sp] for one I believe is a Swedish company. It is Staffed with locals. Swedes (or Arabs) might make up some of the executive officers but the rank and file labor force will not commute in.CameronPoe wrote:
So why was the US government so concerned about an Arab company taking over management of the port of Newark, New Jersey (part of the New York, Boston, Philly conurbation - essentially the Greater New York metropolitan area)? According to you the port probably sees little or no containership action whatsoever....yes.CameronPoe wrote:
Are you telling me goods ONLY go in the way? Into NYC? .noted.CameronPoe wrote:
I find it odd that the financial capital of the US, possibly the world, exports NOTHING whatsoever outside of the confines of the five boroughs......Laugh all you want. Insult all you want. They did. The correlation between crime and population density. Does not appear in every city. the correlation between crime and population density has changed drastically by simply restricting the Failed Liberal Policy of Parole. It now seems “ population density ” was not the reason for Crime. Failed again Poe.CameronPoe wrote:
You would have to be a drooling neanderthal not to understand the correlation between crime and population density. Law enforcement in the country is more manageable because there are adequate resources and low population density. If 'the country' had the winderful wonderful magical solution to crime I think they would be implementing that in the cities as we speak...lol.Discretion is not yours.CameronPoe wrote:
Erm. The axiom doesn't just hold for USA. Other countries who don't have parole at all show the same crime-population density correlation. 'Failed again'. lol. I really hate all the muggers, rapists, pushers and thieves out there in the Appalachians - you can't move for the fuckers there's so many of them... logic it appears is not your strong point..
Ok. here we go again, Please Re Read
The correlation between crime and population density. Does not appear in every city. Crime and population density has changed drastically by simply restricting “the Failed Liberal Policy” of Parole. It now seems “ population density ” was not the reason for Crime in NYC.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
If you are trying to make a point I wish you would. Its only when the Government is the sole provider and cause of subsistence living that it becomes a real self perpetuating problem. For one example, make more money = Loose government housing. There are many more.Did your dad , Your Granddad and his Granddad all grow up in the projects on Government assistance? I hope not.CameronPoe wrote:
That's weird. I wonder why my Dad didn't stop looking for work while he was unemployed in the 1980s. Life is SOOOooo good when you feed off the meagre scraps thrown down by the government to prevent you from sinking into oblivion. .
Did your dad loose his Housing putting you in the street and on the market for a home ( the biggest expense most Americans face ) by becoming self sufficient? These people are not stupid, they get jobs of the books and keep the housing for generations.
Can we both agree we are not talking about your dad here?The classic Poe switch. I believe the topic was Slums The projects etc. Unemployment alone is inside the problem but not really the topic, is it ?CameronPoe wrote:
You make unemployment sound like some kind of paradise.
As for paradise, They have a Health care center in the Chelsea Projects. Indoor basketball courts and Arts Center “The Hudson Guild “ a Day care center. And several state of the art playgrounds were all the surfaces are coated with 4 inches of soft rubber. They also have parking. Who the hell gets parking in NYC? The premiere city of public transportation?Keep in mind its still in NYC. Not a bad place to be in my opinion and yes I have seen it12 HOURS AGO, Its fine. They destroy it.CameronPoe wrote:
Have you seen the kind of housing they receive? They're the most dead end depressing cesspits you can lay your eyes on. .
I took photos with my Cell Phone,(12 HOURS AGO) Do you want to see them ?You might. But what if your family had lived there for generations and you were raised to think it was your entitlement, that some one owed you a living?CameronPoe wrote:
If I was stuck in that I'd be damn sure to try my hardest to get myself out of there and find somewhere better. .I never called them leaches, you did.CameronPoe wrote:
The minority of leeches you speak of are a minority that will always exist and will never cease to be. .I never called them the dregs of society, you did. These last two comments put you on very thin ice among your compatriots.CameronPoe wrote:
They really are the dregs of society. 99% of humans will seek to better themselves..
PS I can E-Mail you photos of half the places I spoke of. I was there Yesterday. Would you like to paste them into the tread?Hunter/Jumper wrote:
So demonstrably incorrect its comical. Really Who here is displaying the characteristics of a sanitized view of society? The naïveté of adolescence? Tell us what country’s politics are not dominated by self interest in your un-sanitized and superior, enlightened and progressive view?Please give it a rest. Do you recall saying this just a week ago ?CameronPoe wrote:
NORWAY, SWEDEN, SWITZERLAND.
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roflmao
This was addressed in your maturely put post which has since been closed. By the way - tearing someone's opinion apart in an arrogant condescending manner != a personal attack. Calling someone a playground name = a personal attack.*hugs*I was never a duplicitous fraud. I must admit, I did stoop to retaliation, . I won’t do it again. Sorry.CameronPoe wrote:
I enjoy annoying people by acting arrogant and condescending - get over it.
Further
I have followed your posts from the very beginning.I read and took in ( information ? ) from places and events that felt I had little real knowledge of.
At first, I found your take on The middle East refreshing.
That is from my point of view, were I lived. In NYC. I felt like the light in the Forrest when I’d ask a simple question like “ Why is it we have close up photos of the results of a Terrorists bomb (twenty lbs of semtax) but when The IDF Air Force retaliates, ( Six planes, Six bombs on each, each bomb is 2000lbs.)
We only hear “ Israeli War planes hit targets “ ?
Our local press was heavily slanted to favor Israel.
However, You have wandered into my area of EXPIRENCE in one or two posts and I responded to them. Your insults were staggering and you will not allow reciprocation, so be it.
When I can, through first hand experience check on your veracity, your statements never hold up.
This is not to say your always wrong. Just when I can and want to check it out.
But it makes your credibility in my opinion very suspect.
Also, The tactic of changing the Questionis really beneath any attempt at credible discourse.Can you read ? “ in NYC the Port Authority “ we weren’t talking of “ Newark, New Jersey (part of the New York, Boston, Philly “
Debate Hall of Fame ?
Do you know when to quit? Up all night? hardly but My lap top is on the floor while my office is being built so it was literally A pain in the ass. I took sh*tloads of Photos for you if you have an E-Mail addres ! I even have the Hell's Kitchen Fire truck Screaming around the corner and some asshole Sitting out on a ledge 22 stories high ...smoking.
I don't need any photos - I've been to NYC a few times.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Do you know when to quit? Up all night? hardly but My lap top is on the floor while my office is being built so it was literally A pain in the ass. I took sh*tloads of Photos for you if you have an E-Mail addres ! I even have the Hell's Kitchen Fire truck Screaming around the corner and some asshole Sitting out on a ledge 22 stories high ...smoking.
So your mind is made up, no point confusing you with photos from Hell's Kitchen and Harleem taken yesterday ?CameronPoe wrote:
I don't need any photos - I've been to NYC a few times.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Do you know when to quit? Up all night? hardly but My lap top is on the floor while my office is being built so it was literally A pain in the ass. I took sh*tloads of Photos for you if you have an E-Mail addres ! I even have the Hell's Kitchen Fire truck Screaming around the corner and some asshole Sitting out on a ledge 22 stories high ...smoking.
Moron, Bush has better ratings than your beloved Democratically-run congress.CameronPoe wrote:
I didn't 'quote' you as you incorrectly put it. I said you implied or suggested the US was anti-democrat (not explicitly stated), which you do imply in that post.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Who said " the US is an inherently anti-democrat country "CameronPoe wrote:
They won't vote for either. But to suggest that the US is an inherently anti-democrat country is just blatantly incorrect.
I said " our country dislikes the democrats more than Bush "
Congress’s approval rating is lower than Bush's.
new poll out, I'll try and find a link.
The local elections and non- Presidential year elections don’t get allot of interest, sadly.
not many people bother to vote. The Presidential elections show more of the nations mood. Considering the hostility of the media to conservatives in the USA they still do well nation wide.
In non presidential years turn out is usually pretty low and not indicative of our nation as a whole.
The party not in the White House, usually picks up a few seats. Its not like democrats have a mandate like the 1994 election. The democrat’s have a narrow majority and even those seats were won in very close elections. As another example, The NRA is a heavy supporter of Conservatives ( usually ). They number in the millions but they are spread out across the country.
They can swing nationwide Elections ( Bush I ) but state by state they don’t have much clout.
So they don’t wield they kind of power that a smaller group ( like some ethnicity ) that inhabits one area densely can.
The way you consistently and deliberately misquote people, You seem blatantly deceitful.
Bush Approval Rating:
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Only 1/3 of the population of the US approve of the job he's doing, give or take the polling margin of error. That's pretty woeful.
General Election Results 2006:
33m people voted Democrat, 26m people voted Republican for Senate.
40m people voted Democrat, 35m people voted Republican for Congress.
A comfortable popular majority in both.
The Dems won't get the presidency if they keep rolling out diabolically inept candidates from their primaries. As soon as one comes along the Reps will lose the presidency I'm guessing, based on how unpopular Bush and the Republicans have become of late.
in any event, I'm voting for Newt Gingrich. And Newt is going to win.
I did a quick scan of the internet and couldn't find the link to that story, but if you really are going to challenge me on it I will look harder.
Have you fastidiously photographed all of these neighbourhoods, every last inch, or is it just 3 snapshots per area? And please tell me you didn't go to all that effort for this thread....Hunter/Jumper wrote:
So your mind is made up, no point confusing you with photos from Hell's Kitchen and Harleem taken yesterday ?CameronPoe wrote:
I don't need any photos - I've been to NYC a few times.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Do you know when to quit? Up all night? hardly but My lap top is on the floor while my office is being built so it was literally A pain in the ass. I took sh*tloads of Photos for you if you have an E-Mail addres ! I even have the Hell's Kitchen Fire truck Screaming around the corner and some asshole Sitting out on a ledge 22 stories high ...smoking.
What is so great about Colin Powell? Can anyone who said they would vote for him give reasons why? The guy is a lame duck.
Ughh... Here i go...jetxburned wrote:
Something I've been hearing a lot of lately - "ooh, the first woman president, how nice this country would be with her" or "oh wow, a black president, what a great country that would make us ..."
Please. Basing your vote around a candidates physical characteristics is probably the worst idea you'll have come '08. Please actually think this through if you decide to vote.
While having a black president would be nice and unprecedented, having a black president who uses public taxes for ridiculous things (which Obama has already done) is a waste.
While having a female president is something new and "exciting", having a female president who continuously preaches morals, forcing them down the American's throat, while doing absolutely nothing progressive for the country (hint: Hilary K Clinton) is a disaster.
Do not make the same mistake again, as in 2000 and '04, actually look at what this candidate or that candidate can do and WILL do. Do not contribute to the further downgrade of this country or the destruction of others. Ignore party affiliations and please look for the best option America has. Don't do this for the new, the unusual, or the unprecedented - do this for your fellow man (notice I did not say countryman). The USA's influence is vast and powerful, so make it a good one. I'm just tired of being affiliated with a country that is seen as arrogant, idiotic, and ignorant because of our president.
PS. I know most of you (supposedly) are intelligent enough to know this, but just in case ...
Both a black president and a women president would NOT be suitable for president. I believe this because they would be influenced by there own race/sex.
Can't you just see it,
"Obama uses taxpayers money to fund the opening of 200 new "Negro College Funds" because he believes it will help in reparations to blacks"
"Hilary Clinton proposes new law to help ensure equality between sexes, 50% of company must be female"
"Obama proposes new law to ban the use of the word "Nigger" and "Negro" within america, clearly infringing on the second amendment"
"Obama proposes new act to make hate crimes harshly more punishable then regular"
Come on, i garen-fucking-tee SOMETHING to that effect would happen.
And face it, there've already been around 50 white male presidents already, isn't it clear who should run this country???
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15 more years! 15 more years!
The system is only broken when you lose right? It's fine when things go your way.jonsimon wrote:
Right, because geography is whats important when it comes to representation. Who cares about representing the wants of the people, we should represent the wants of the land.ATG wrote:
That's why the liberals want to get rid of the electoral college. Those little red islands in the sea of blue would call the shots.(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:
QFE!SEREMAKER wrote:
I dislike both candidates you just mentioned and hope the closest they come to the white house is a post card
I post this once again... the Democrats are not, and are far less in touch with middle America. e.g. " the Folks"
The Republican Party has surely let me down, but FFS they are a better choice than any Democrat President. Period.
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