Thank you for reinforcing my point that you cant have a relevant debate.Shopvac wrote:
Ah, let Vilham be. The UK has enough to worry about with separatists gaining seats in Scotland! They're going to have to reinstate the voting rights of the House of Lords if they loose any more land.
P.S.
In reply to "1." Now that we've established that you "have a girl" ask her if she'll let you kiss her (it can be one of the first steps to having relations with her).
and
"2." In my opinion . . . your opinions suck. No one brought up support of the IRA before you did (see post # 60), and yet all you do is accuse others of supporting them. That's not a rational conclusion (i.e. opinion) it's a delusion. And I respectfully ask that you give it a rest.
Thanks in advance.
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Man I have a hard enough time keeping up with whats going on "Up North" to even begin to understand the various parties agendas.
I would probably go with the Shinners as they are the only party loudly calling for a United Ireland. Most of the Irish parties just seam to kiss unionism ass while quietly taking a United Ireland out of their mandate, from were I am sitting anyways.
I would probably go with the Shinners as they are the only party loudly calling for a United Ireland. Most of the Irish parties just seam to kiss unionism ass while quietly taking a United Ireland out of their mandate, from were I am sitting anyways.
I agree with Cameronpoe on the issue of targeting British military and security apparatus. The IRA were at war with Britain in the North during the troubles and these strategies were part of that war. I believe the IRA were fully justified in being at war with Britain due to the ways in which the British subjugated the Nationalist/Catholic population and on the principle of overthrowing their colonial oppressors but, like Cameronpoe, I fully condemn the slaughter of any innocent civilian no matter what their political or religious background in the same way I would condemn similar acts in other wars/conflicts around the world. Innocent civilians are never legitimate targets in any conflict.CameronPoe wrote:
Well in that statement lies your pure unadulterated pigheadedness. Why would I condemn the killing of Iraqi civilians, etc. and then on the other hand endorse the killing of civilians in Northern Ireland. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!!!!! IG isn't with me on this one but what you are confused with is the fact that I endorsed attacks on the British army and the British security apparatus in the north. That is all. Attacks on civilians - NO FUCKING WAY. I have principles ffs. You can selectively endorse acts carried out by a group of people you know. I supported their cause, not many of their henious actions. There is no real need for the IRA now as Catholics are beginning to experience the fruits of long-overdue parity of esteem and full civil rights. The growing catholic populace will finish the job of reunification off with their votes.Vilham wrote:
Well lets leave it at the fact that i believe that you and Poe both actually believe what the IRA did was ok, due to things you have said and havent said, thus making anything you say in my eyes not worthy of serious consideration. Shame really as i used to respect poes views.
You can shove your respect up your ass - respect from someone so intransigently short-sighted as you isn't something to be boasted about.
I have always tried to stay out of these:) Just wanted to add:
SinnFein (despite my BF2s and BF2 name for almost what 2 years?) Sadly, now I wish I could change my BF2 name. Nowadays SF Is no more a political wing to the RA than the queen herself. Is there anyone that actually thinks our Fathers of 16 would have signed the GFA? so why the hell did the so called 'provisionals'. Truthfully they've abandoned nearly every principle of my our fathers and beyond. Yas have seen Marty in the fancy uni? nothing more than a 'B' Special himself. He's got his post, savage and proper. power sharing my ass.....They've accomplished nothing but change the 10 year flavour to a different name, referendum blah blah. The thought of them even being associated with the RA disgusts me, What he did before the troubles earned him the place in the same sentence as the RA, but no longer.
Ruairi Ó Bradaigh, Daithi Ó Conaill and others walked out of that Ard Fheis and reconvened as Republican Sinn Féin. The Flyin' Provisionals just wanted the seat and got their fame and completely fucked us.
Tom Maguire, the last 2nd Dail Eireann, recognised the Continuity Executive and the Continuity Army Council as the lawful Executive and Army Council respectively of the Irish Republican Army, and therefore possessing the governmental authority delegated by the faithful deputies of Dail Eireann in 1938.
My Point: SF is in no way shape or form a poli wing of the RA, they dont even know what it stands for anymore.
Go raibh maith agaibh
Tosaíochtaí Shinn Féin don Ghaeilge: 2003-2008
* Acmhainní cuí agus acmhainní breise a bheith ar fail d'Fhoras na Gaeilge.
* Go ndéanfar treisiú ar na hailt a roghnaigh Rialtas na Breataine i gcuid 111 de Chairt na hEorpa um Theangacha Réigiúnacha agus Mionlaigh.
* Go gcuirfear Acht um Chearta na Gaeilge i bhfeidhm sa Deisceart ar dhóigh a chaomhnaíonn stádas bunreachtúil na Gaeilge.
* Go gceapfar Coimisinéir láithreach a stiúrfaidh céimeanna ar son na Gaeilge taobh istigh d'eagraíochtaí agus de ranna stáit.
* Go n-achtófar Bille don Ghaeilge sa Tuaisceart a chuirfidh an Ghaeilge ar comhchéim leis an Bhreatnais agus le Gaeilge na hAlban.
* Go mbunófar fundúireacht sa Tuaisceart a mbeidh áiseanna go leor aige, fundúireacht do scannánaíocht, teílifís agus raidio na Gaeilge.
* Go ndéanfar leasú ar Acht na Meán sa Bhreatain le go mbeidh aitheantas oifigiúil ag an Ghaeilge agus í ar comhchéim leis an Bhreatnais agus le Gaeilge na hAlban.
* Go mbeidh gealtanas ann le tionscaint a dhéanamh maidir le forbairt na gcluichí Gaelacha ar comhchéim leis an tionscaint maidir le cur chun cinn agus forbairt an tsacair.
* Go gcomhlíonfaí go luath na gealltanais a tugadh go mbeigh TG4 ar fáil ar fud an Tuaiscirt.
* Go gcuirfear polasaithe don Ghaeilge i bhfeidhm a dhearbhóidh cearta Gaeilgeoirí agus cur chun cinn na Gaeilge i ngach leibhéal den riarachán sa Tuaisceart.
* Go mbeidh cur chuige cuí agus iomlánaithe i dtaca le fundúireacht agus cur chun cinn na n-ealaíon trí mheán na Gaeilge.
Thats a joke right? Ná bí ag breathnú siar ar do shaol agus aiféala ort
SinnFein (despite my BF2s and BF2 name for almost what 2 years?) Sadly, now I wish I could change my BF2 name. Nowadays SF Is no more a political wing to the RA than the queen herself. Is there anyone that actually thinks our Fathers of 16 would have signed the GFA? so why the hell did the so called 'provisionals'. Truthfully they've abandoned nearly every principle of my our fathers and beyond. Yas have seen Marty in the fancy uni? nothing more than a 'B' Special himself. He's got his post, savage and proper. power sharing my ass.....They've accomplished nothing but change the 10 year flavour to a different name, referendum blah blah. The thought of them even being associated with the RA disgusts me, What he did before the troubles earned him the place in the same sentence as the RA, but no longer.
Ruairi Ó Bradaigh, Daithi Ó Conaill and others walked out of that Ard Fheis and reconvened as Republican Sinn Féin. The Flyin' Provisionals just wanted the seat and got their fame and completely fucked us.
Tom Maguire, the last 2nd Dail Eireann, recognised the Continuity Executive and the Continuity Army Council as the lawful Executive and Army Council respectively of the Irish Republican Army, and therefore possessing the governmental authority delegated by the faithful deputies of Dail Eireann in 1938.
My Point: SF is in no way shape or form a poli wing of the RA, they dont even know what it stands for anymore.
Go raibh maith agaibh
Tosaíochtaí Shinn Féin don Ghaeilge: 2003-2008
* Acmhainní cuí agus acmhainní breise a bheith ar fail d'Fhoras na Gaeilge.
* Go ndéanfar treisiú ar na hailt a roghnaigh Rialtas na Breataine i gcuid 111 de Chairt na hEorpa um Theangacha Réigiúnacha agus Mionlaigh.
* Go gcuirfear Acht um Chearta na Gaeilge i bhfeidhm sa Deisceart ar dhóigh a chaomhnaíonn stádas bunreachtúil na Gaeilge.
* Go gceapfar Coimisinéir láithreach a stiúrfaidh céimeanna ar son na Gaeilge taobh istigh d'eagraíochtaí agus de ranna stáit.
* Go n-achtófar Bille don Ghaeilge sa Tuaisceart a chuirfidh an Ghaeilge ar comhchéim leis an Bhreatnais agus le Gaeilge na hAlban.
* Go mbunófar fundúireacht sa Tuaisceart a mbeidh áiseanna go leor aige, fundúireacht do scannánaíocht, teílifís agus raidio na Gaeilge.
* Go ndéanfar leasú ar Acht na Meán sa Bhreatain le go mbeidh aitheantas oifigiúil ag an Ghaeilge agus í ar comhchéim leis an Bhreatnais agus le Gaeilge na hAlban.
* Go mbeidh gealtanas ann le tionscaint a dhéanamh maidir le forbairt na gcluichí Gaelacha ar comhchéim leis an tionscaint maidir le cur chun cinn agus forbairt an tsacair.
* Go gcomhlíonfaí go luath na gealltanais a tugadh go mbeigh TG4 ar fáil ar fud an Tuaiscirt.
* Go gcuirfear polasaithe don Ghaeilge i bhfeidhm a dhearbhóidh cearta Gaeilgeoirí agus cur chun cinn na Gaeilge i ngach leibhéal den riarachán sa Tuaisceart.
* Go mbeidh cur chuige cuí agus iomlánaithe i dtaca le fundúireacht agus cur chun cinn na n-ealaíon trí mheán na Gaeilge.
Thats a joke right? Ná bí ag breathnú siar ar do shaol agus aiféala ort
Last edited by [GDC]SinnFein (2007-05-21 01:39:39)
On the topic of Ireland's relevence to geopolitics: If you can't see Ireland's relevence, you don't understand geopolitics.
This island has been a strategically important location since the 1700's. It was a key location during the huge variety of wars across Europe, and there are plenty of occasions where an invasion of Ireland could have changed the balance of world history. The Bonaparte Empire could still rule Europe if it wasn't for some bad weather off Bantry Bay.
Today, Ireland's location in the Atlantic means it's still a key strategic point. As I type, the US military are using Irish airbases as important stop-off points for refuelling aircraft that have just crossed the ocean.
In the USA alone there are over 45 MILLION people who claim to be Irish or of Irish descent. That means that what happens in Ireland can indeed affect what happens in the USA, because the Irish lobby is very strong. The same can be said of the UK or Australia, there are Irish descended emmigrants all over the place, in huge numbers.
Ireland can be held up globally as an example of how a long-standing and seemingly unending terrorist struggle can come to a peaceful end. Any government currently dealing in any way with ongoing terrorist campaigns can learn an awful lot from the Northern Ireland situation.
Ireland's economy over the last ten years has been the strongest in the world, growing faster than any other. Finance ministers from all over come here just to see what it is we're doing right.
Stating that Ireland is insignificant in geopolitical terms is showing a gross ignorance of either the meaning of geopolitics or the realities of the the situation.
Going waaay back to the original post (and I do have a vote...) I'll be casting my vote defensively. Whatever I best judge keeps the extremists out of government. That's Sinn Féin and their left-wing nut-jobbery which would drag us back to the dark ages, and the PD's with Grand High Fuhrer McDowell and his frankly ludicrous policies. I guess Bertie's doing an alright job, and he's more of a politician than Enda Kenny, so that might decide the issue for me.
This island has been a strategically important location since the 1700's. It was a key location during the huge variety of wars across Europe, and there are plenty of occasions where an invasion of Ireland could have changed the balance of world history. The Bonaparte Empire could still rule Europe if it wasn't for some bad weather off Bantry Bay.
Today, Ireland's location in the Atlantic means it's still a key strategic point. As I type, the US military are using Irish airbases as important stop-off points for refuelling aircraft that have just crossed the ocean.
In the USA alone there are over 45 MILLION people who claim to be Irish or of Irish descent. That means that what happens in Ireland can indeed affect what happens in the USA, because the Irish lobby is very strong. The same can be said of the UK or Australia, there are Irish descended emmigrants all over the place, in huge numbers.
Ireland can be held up globally as an example of how a long-standing and seemingly unending terrorist struggle can come to a peaceful end. Any government currently dealing in any way with ongoing terrorist campaigns can learn an awful lot from the Northern Ireland situation.
Ireland's economy over the last ten years has been the strongest in the world, growing faster than any other. Finance ministers from all over come here just to see what it is we're doing right.
Stating that Ireland is insignificant in geopolitical terms is showing a gross ignorance of either the meaning of geopolitics or the realities of the the situation.
Going waaay back to the original post (and I do have a vote...) I'll be casting my vote defensively. Whatever I best judge keeps the extremists out of government. That's Sinn Féin and their left-wing nut-jobbery which would drag us back to the dark ages, and the PD's with Grand High Fuhrer McDowell and his frankly ludicrous policies. I guess Bertie's doing an alright job, and he's more of a politician than Enda Kenny, so that might decide the issue for me.
I think they current government is a waste, how much over budget was the Luas (tram) ? €500 Million-ish, like how can you be over budget by that amount. Also bringing in Stamp duty on first time buyers, now they are fearing for their positions they decide to scrap the stamp duty.
As so putting a motorway through the Hill of Tara ? even thought it is an ancient historical site.
I think a new party in charge would be more inclined to make a lot of good changes rather than a load of tossers who sit back and try to keep their jobs.
i would like to vote sinn fein bit I reckon that Fine Gael need the vote more, (I think voting sinn fein would be like voting for Nader when Gore needed the vote)
As so putting a motorway through the Hill of Tara ? even thought it is an ancient historical site.
I think a new party in charge would be more inclined to make a lot of good changes rather than a load of tossers who sit back and try to keep their jobs.
i would like to vote sinn fein bit I reckon that Fine Gael need the vote more, (I think voting sinn fein would be like voting for Nader when Gore needed the vote)
Last edited by buttersIRL (2007-05-21 06:46:56)
Aye well your far enough away to come out with that hard line bullshit. The reality of this place and the reality of living here in the North is something I guess you have never experienced.[GDC]SinnFein wrote:
I have always tried to stay out of these:) Just wanted to add:
SinnFein (despite my BF2s and BF2 name for almost what 2 years?) Sadly, now I wish I could change my BF2 name. Nowadays SF Is no more a political wing to the RA than the queen herself. Is there anyone that actually thinks our Fathers of 16 would have signed the GFA? so why the hell did the so called 'provisionals'. Truthfully they've abandoned nearly every principle of my our fathers and beyond. Yas have seen Marty in the fancy uni? nothing more than a 'B' Special himself. He's got his post, savage and proper. power sharing my ass.....They've accomplished nothing but change the 10 year flavour to a different name, referendum blah blah. The thought of them even being associated with the RA disgusts me, What he did before the troubles earned him the place in the same sentence as the RA, but no longer.
Ruairi Ó Bradaigh, Daithi Ó Conaill and others walked out of that Ard Fheis and reconvened as Republican Sinn Féin. The Flyin' Provisionals just wanted the seat and got their fame and completely fucked us.
Tom Maguire, the last 2nd Dail Eireann, recognised the Continuity Executive and the Continuity Army Council as the lawful Executive and Army Council respectively of the Irish Republican Army, and therefore possessing the governmental authority delegated by the faithful deputies of Dail Eireann in 1938.
My Point: SF is in no way shape or form a poli wing of the RA, they dont even know what it stands for anymore.
Go raibh maith agaibh
Tosaíochtaí Shinn Féin don Ghaeilge: 2003-2008
* Acmhainní cuí agus acmhainní breise a bheith ar fail d'Fhoras na Gaeilge.
* Go ndéanfar treisiú ar na hailt a roghnaigh Rialtas na Breataine i gcuid 111 de Chairt na hEorpa um Theangacha Réigiúnacha agus Mionlaigh.
* Go gcuirfear Acht um Chearta na Gaeilge i bhfeidhm sa Deisceart ar dhóigh a chaomhnaíonn stádas bunreachtúil na Gaeilge.
* Go gceapfar Coimisinéir láithreach a stiúrfaidh céimeanna ar son na Gaeilge taobh istigh d'eagraíochtaí agus de ranna stáit.
* Go n-achtófar Bille don Ghaeilge sa Tuaisceart a chuirfidh an Ghaeilge ar comhchéim leis an Bhreatnais agus le Gaeilge na hAlban.
* Go mbunófar fundúireacht sa Tuaisceart a mbeidh áiseanna go leor aige, fundúireacht do scannánaíocht, teílifís agus raidio na Gaeilge.
* Go ndéanfar leasú ar Acht na Meán sa Bhreatain le go mbeidh aitheantas oifigiúil ag an Ghaeilge agus í ar comhchéim leis an Bhreatnais agus le Gaeilge na hAlban.
* Go mbeidh gealtanas ann le tionscaint a dhéanamh maidir le forbairt na gcluichí Gaelacha ar comhchéim leis an tionscaint maidir le cur chun cinn agus forbairt an tsacair.
* Go gcomhlíonfaí go luath na gealltanais a tugadh go mbeigh TG4 ar fáil ar fud an Tuaiscirt.
* Go gcuirfear polasaithe don Ghaeilge i bhfeidhm a dhearbhóidh cearta Gaeilgeoirí agus cur chun cinn na Gaeilge i ngach leibhéal den riarachán sa Tuaisceart.
* Go mbeidh cur chuige cuí agus iomlánaithe i dtaca le fundúireacht agus cur chun cinn na n-ealaíon trí mheán na Gaeilge.
Thats a joke right? Ná bí ag breathnú siar ar do shaol agus aiféala ort
The IRA gave up their guns and disbanded. So why do we need a hard line political wing for an organisation which effectively doesn't exist.
The IRA & the shinners, both know we will get a united Ireland within the next 50 years. So instead of killing and ruining thousands of lives, they have decided to play the waiting game.
Don't fret however. The murderous bastards who killed Omagh's obvious enemy's to the 'republican cause' are forming a political wing, so you can follow them.
Its easy to be a hard liner when you live far away.
As for the Shinners being agents of the Queen now. Compromise is the only way forward. If your so passionate about republicanism, why didn't you hang around? Probably because there are better opportunities else were, peaceful. But the rest of us have to keep up the 'struggle' while you lord it up in a better economy while ours rots with hatred...................listen to yourself!!!
Last edited by JahManRed (2007-05-21 03:16:53)
here in the North Republican SF got their answer at the Ballot Box last May - end of story
If your so passionate about republicanism, why didn't you hang around?JahManRed wrote:
If your so passionate about republicanism, why didn't you hang around? Probably because there are better opportunities else were, peaceful. !!!
I didnt have a choice in 01.
But the rest of us have to keep up the 'struggle' while you lord it up in a better economy while ours rots with hatred...................listen to yourself
IG, read many of your posts and the like, always sound and good. You're right. I cannot and will not disagree with ya on this. Your right, these days, I may be a Corker, but I'm not in Cork anymore. Now that I've re-read through, I sound like one of these bhoys over here that only wear green one day in March. I'm certainly not Looking for a claim here. It's just what's in me, twenty-six years living with a 2nd, my Da. It's all we knew. In his memory, he passed in 01. I just don't care for the RA being tied w/ SF as people know it (most don't know the diff between the Rep. and Provs). I could care less with the splinters, their 'letting on' and 'guff'. Civilians must NEVER be targeted, plain and simple.
Tiocfaidh ár lá.
Happy days!!!!!! ...Der Fuehrer Michael McDowell has just resigned after losing his seat in Dublin South!
One less cock knocker in Irish politics.
McDowell = FAIL
One less cock knocker in Irish politics.
McDowell = FAIL
ROCK THE FUCK ON!!
Reichsfuehrer McDowell is gone!!!!
Congrats Bertie - we won't have to put up with Fine Gael retards for five years!!!!
Reichsfuehrer McDowell is gone!!!!
Congrats Bertie - we won't have to put up with Fine Gael retards for five years!!!!
Not someone from the terrorist nation of Ireland like yourself.