I never cried foul. . . .JahManRed wrote:
Ok, so now even the most right wing Bush supporters who cried foul at any criticism of Bush before with cries of "not another Bush, Fox News thread" have finally seen the light?
Does this mean an official apology from the Right to us tree hugging liberal hippies?
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Being a worker, I know this. Silly steve, stereotypes are for people who can't use the goop between their ears for anything besides skull stuffing.fadedsteve wrote:
Silly Liberal. . . .paychecks are for workers!!!
No, I don't, that's why I'm not going to vote for either of them, just like I didn't vote for Hillary's jackass windsock of a husband. See, I don't hate being the bearer of bad news, which would be that I have about as much use for democrats as you have for analytical thinking or reading comprehension. The Democrats haven't given two shits for principle in decades, at least at the federal level. They're worthlessly spineless when it comes to making their voices heard on the majority of today's issues. Oh but smart little fadedsteve, he knows that if I don't like the GOP, I must be a Democrat because that's all that's left in the world, hurrrrrrrrr!fadedsteve wrote:
btw you think Obama or Hillary give a rat fuck about you or your family. . . .Cause I hate to be the bearer of bad news. . . .
Nope, I'm gonna vote for some poor bastard who probably won't win but at least my conscience will be clear of the stain of having voted for one of the several big problems in this country.fadedsteve wrote:
Regarless if a better GOP candidate runs, your still gonna vote Democrap too! Get off your soapbox!
Yes, good for you, you can have a shit sandwich, or a shit sandwich with a side of fries. The pretend-folksy actor (didn't we have one of those all ready?) or the hypocrite who trumpets about family and moral values while serving divorce papers to the wife he was cheating on while she was in the hospital. Enjoy.fadedsteve wrote:
If Fred Thompson runs or Newt Gingrich runs, I know at least I have some options now!!!
fa*ded*steve: nfadedsteve wrote:
lib*er*al: adj
1: A person so open minded their brains have fallen out.
lol!! Those t-shirts can be found at rightwingstuff.com!! They're great for the kids!!HunterOfSkulls wrote:
Oh this is going to be fun.Being a worker, I know this. Silly steve, stereotypes are for people who can't use the goop between their ears for anything besides skull stuffing.fadedsteve wrote:
Silly Liberal. . . .paychecks are for workers!!!No, I don't, that's why I'm not going to vote for either of them, just like I didn't vote for Hillary's jackass windsock of a husband. See, I don't hate being the bearer of bad news, which would be that I have about as much use for democrats as you have for analytical thinking or reading comprehension. The Democrats haven't given two shits for principle in decades, at least at the federal level. They're worthlessly spineless when it comes to making their voices heard on the majority of today's issues. Oh but smart little fadedsteve, he knows that if I don't like the GOP, I must be a Democrat because that's all that's left in the world, hurrrrrrrrr!fadedsteve wrote:
btw you think Obama or Hillary give a rat fuck about you or your family. . . .Cause I hate to be the bearer of bad news. . . .Nope, I'm gonna vote for some poor bastard who probably won't win but at least my conscience will be clear of the stain of having voted for one of the several big problems in this country.fadedsteve wrote:
Regarless if a better GOP candidate runs, your still gonna vote Democrap too! Get off your soapbox!Yes, good for you, you can have a shit sandwich, or a shit sandwich with a side of fries. The pretend-folksy actor (didn't we have one of those all ready?) or the hypocrite who trumpets about family and moral values while serving divorce papers to the wife he was cheating on while she was in the hospital. Enjoy.fadedsteve wrote:
If Fred Thompson runs or Newt Gingrich runs, I know at least I have some options now!!!fa*ded*steve: nfadedsteve wrote:
lib*er*al: adj
1: A person so open minded their brains have fallen out.
1: A person so simpleminded he can't think except in false dichotomies and t-shirt catchphrases.
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Improved border security, news laws against employers hiring illegals, a plan to integrate those who are already in the US into the society, i.e. make them "legal".Kennedy wrote:
We’re not going to round up these 12 million men, women and children and send them home. That’s not the American way. So our plan allows these families to earn the privilege of remaining here and working legally.
They have to pay a $5000 fine over an eight-year period.
They have to work and pay taxes.
They have to learn English.
They cannot be criminals or national security risks and they must obey our laws.
The heads of family must make a trip home for a day or two sometime in the next eight years to submit their applications for a green card at an American consulate just like other immigrants applying to come here.
Nah, it just means they're going to reflexively vote for the next GOP drone who promises them a gigantic wall with razor wire and gun turrets across our southern border right after they accept the idea that somehow those eeeevil liberals forced Bush to go along with the amnesty deal. In a few years they'll forget this whole animosity just like they forgot things that Bush I and Reagan did and they'll be back to saying he was the bestest president evar.JahManRed wrote:
Ok, so now even the most right wing Bush supporters who cried foul at any criticism of Bush before with cries of "not another Bush, Fox News thread" have finally seen the light?
Does this mean an official apology from the Right to us tree hugging liberal hippies?
Yeah, if you want your kids to grow up and be spoiled entitlement-mentality brats with zero grasp of history.fadedsteve wrote:
lol!! Those t-shirts can be found at rightwingstuff.com!! They're great for the kids!!
What I am does not conform to your silly little labelling system. What I am is not covered by any of the people who regurgitate the nice little predigested talking points you seem so fond of.fadedsteve wrote:
You claim your not a liberal, but you sure as hell aren't a conservative!! So. . . . . .Commie perhaps?? Green party??
Maybe you should try, oh I don't know, reading some of my posts sometime. I understand there's a function on the BB here that'll let you do that. Give it a whirl sometime. I will say that yes, the GOP attracts most of my ire because they back some of the most boneheaded, puritanical, wealthy-coddling, short-sighted bullshit currently afflicting this country. The Democrats get my contempt for either failing to stand up against it or for (like Clinton) talking a lot of progressive shit while legislating in the exact opposite direction.fadedsteve wrote:
I dont think I have EVER seen you bash a democrat, yet when it comes to some guy in the GOP/GOP doctrine, your all over his/its ass!!
Gee, what should I bitch more about, the few tenths of a percent of my income that goes for social assistance programs or the billions spent on crap like the first-generation Bradley APCs with aluminum armor? The pennies I get taxed to pay for someone's food stamps or the dollars going to make sure some contractor can buy a new summer home with the proceeds from his no-bid contract with the government? The miniscule ammount of my money that goes for programs intended to try and make productive citizens out of hard-timers and ex-cons or the huge chunk out of my pay that goes to private prisons where they just learn how to be better criminals and hate the society that put them there? I got news for ya sport, I all ready get the shit taxed out of me and I get shit worth of good back for it. I get a bloated federal government. I get Halliburton executives living high on the hog while I can't even afford to get myself to a doctor on a regular basis. I don't get to squirrel my money away in offshore tax shelters and I don't have a platoon of CPAs to find all the loopholes for me. If I could get the shit taxed out of me and actually get something worthwhile out of it, like solid public education for my kids or guaranteed healthcare, I'd sign on for that in a fucking heartbeat. Instead I get to pay for some CEO's 11th Jaguar and his kids' vacation in fucking South of Fucking France. What's broken is our government. All of them, not just one side or the other.fadedsteve wrote:
OH YEA almost forgot! You say you are a worker. . . .do you think you should have the shit taxed out of you for government programs?? Do you think social security is or isnt broken? Do you think socialized medicine is a good idea??
I don't think faded fully thinks through half the things he says or is willing to assess why or where his 'ethos' came from or the logic behind it...HunterOfSkulls wrote:
Yeah, if you want your kids to grow up and be spoiled entitlement-mentality brats with zero grasp of history.fadedsteve wrote:
lol!! Those t-shirts can be found at rightwingstuff.com!! They're great for the kids!!What I am does not conform to your silly little labelling system. What I am is not covered by any of the people who regurgitate the nice little predigested talking points you seem so fond of.fadedsteve wrote:
You claim your not a liberal, but you sure as hell aren't a conservative!! So. . . . . .Commie perhaps?? Green party??Maybe you should try, oh I don't know, reading some of my posts sometime. I understand there's a function on the BB here that'll let you do that. Give it a whirl sometime. I will say that yes, the GOP attracts most of my ire because they back some of the most boneheaded, puritanical, wealthy-coddling, short-sighted bullshit currently afflicting this country. The Democrats get my contempt for either failing to stand up against it or for (like Clinton) talking a lot of progressive shit while legislating in the exact opposite direction.fadedsteve wrote:
I dont think I have EVER seen you bash a democrat, yet when it comes to some guy in the GOP/GOP doctrine, your all over his/its ass!!Gee, what should I bitch more about, the few tenths of a percent of my income that goes for social assistance programs or the billions spent on crap like the first-generation Bradley APCs with aluminum armor? The pennies I get taxed to pay for someone's food stamps or the dollars going to make sure some contractor can buy a new summer home with the proceeds from his no-bid contract with the government? The miniscule ammount of my money that goes for programs intended to try and make productive citizens out of hard-timers and ex-cons or the huge chunk out of my pay that goes to private prisons where they just learn how to be better criminals and hate the society that put them there? I got news for ya sport, I all ready get the shit taxed out of me and I get shit worth of good back for it. I get a bloated federal government. I get Halliburton executives living high on the hog while I can't even afford to get myself to a doctor on a regular basis. I don't get to squirrel my money away in offshore tax shelters and I don't have a platoon of CPAs to find all the loopholes for me. If I could get the shit taxed out of me and actually get something worthwhile out of it, like solid public education for my kids or guaranteed healthcare, I'd sign on for that in a fucking heartbeat. Instead I get to pay for some CEO's 11th Jaguar and his kids' vacation in fucking South of Fucking France. What's broken is our government. All of them, not just one side or the other.fadedsteve wrote:
OH YEA almost forgot! You say you are a worker. . . .do you think you should have the shit taxed out of you for government programs?? Do you think social security is or isnt broken? Do you think socialized medicine is a good idea??
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I think HunterofSkulls lost his kitty and is mad at the world (corporate world that is)!! You have some serious pent up anger towards people who make more money than you do!! lol! Not too mention a jaded sense of what the government should and could be!!CameronPoe wrote:
I don't think faded fully thinks through half the things he says or is willing to assess why or where his 'ethos' came from or the logic behind it...HunterOfSkulls wrote:
Yeah, if you want your kids to grow up and be spoiled entitlement-mentality brats with zero grasp of history.fadedsteve wrote:
lol!! Those t-shirts can be found at rightwingstuff.com!! They're great for the kids!!What I am does not conform to your silly little labelling system. What I am is not covered by any of the people who regurgitate the nice little predigested talking points you seem so fond of.fadedsteve wrote:
You claim your not a liberal, but you sure as hell aren't a conservative!! So. . . . . .Commie perhaps?? Green party??Maybe you should try, oh I don't know, reading some of my posts sometime. I understand there's a function on the BB here that'll let you do that. Give it a whirl sometime. I will say that yes, the GOP attracts most of my ire because they back some of the most boneheaded, puritanical, wealthy-coddling, short-sighted bullshit currently afflicting this country. The Democrats get my contempt for either failing to stand up against it or for (like Clinton) talking a lot of progressive shit while legislating in the exact opposite direction.fadedsteve wrote:
I dont think I have EVER seen you bash a democrat, yet when it comes to some guy in the GOP/GOP doctrine, your all over his/its ass!!Gee, what should I bitch more about, the few tenths of a percent of my income that goes for social assistance programs or the billions spent on crap like the first-generation Bradley APCs with aluminum armor? The pennies I get taxed to pay for someone's food stamps or the dollars going to make sure some contractor can buy a new summer home with the proceeds from his no-bid contract with the government? The miniscule ammount of my money that goes for programs intended to try and make productive citizens out of hard-timers and ex-cons or the huge chunk out of my pay that goes to private prisons where they just learn how to be better criminals and hate the society that put them there? I got news for ya sport, I all ready get the shit taxed out of me and I get shit worth of good back for it. I get a bloated federal government. I get Halliburton executives living high on the hog while I can't even afford to get myself to a doctor on a regular basis. I don't get to squirrel my money away in offshore tax shelters and I don't have a platoon of CPAs to find all the loopholes for me. If I could get the shit taxed out of me and actually get something worthwhile out of it, like solid public education for my kids or guaranteed healthcare, I'd sign on for that in a fucking heartbeat. Instead I get to pay for some CEO's 11th Jaguar and his kids' vacation in fucking South of Fucking France. What's broken is our government. All of them, not just one side or the other.fadedsteve wrote:
OH YEA almost forgot! You say you are a worker. . . .do you think you should have the shit taxed out of you for government programs?? Do you think social security is or isnt broken? Do you think socialized medicine is a good idea??
well, legal immigrants do have a right to have their family join them as it is now, so if you make the 12 million illegals "legal", you will also have to allow their families to come in.ATG wrote:
It doesn't address the border itself near enough. It plans to allow the 12 million to bring their entire familes, so the number would be more like 60 million.
It doesn't provide requirements for car insurance, health insurance, etc...
As you know, I am an employer, and I provided my three illegals with health insurance; they would rather use Medical because there is no $20. copay.
I have always wondered how Americans, as diverse as they are, can feel sufficiently represented by two political parties only.ATG wrote:
The solution is to somehow end the death grip lock on America the two party system has.
Vote independent even if it's in vain for a few years. Enough people do this and eventually we will have a third party.
It's because there is a real need for these workers. I'm currently hiring, and I have made every effort to hire legal people. In fact somebody from this forum may soon start working for us.B.Schuss wrote:
no offense intended, but if you are an employer, why did you chose to hire illegals instead of legal residents ?
Let me guess, the illegals work just as hard ( maybe even harder ), but for less money ?
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Tbh, I think the conservative Americans tend to vote Republican, and liberal Americans tend to vote Democrat, when both parties tend to be conservative. Ask the European guys. The problem with this is there's no alternative for the true liberal, the socialist (don't confuse with the communist). Do you honestly think Bill Clinton is liberal? Maybe in America. He's less conservative than some Republicans, that's it. That's why I find hilarious when some of you use the label liberal. Maybe it's time to redefine the meaning of conservative and liberal.ATG wrote:
Yes.
Despite the rhetoric, they are one and the same.
They pretend to offer a two party system but its really a sham.
The best proof is who they party not in power puts up in the race;
The republicans put Bob Dole up against Clinton and the Dems put Kerry up against Bush.
They were both unelectable clowns.
And ATG kept asking serge, poe and me where you guys insulted us. Horray for silly mindless fake dictionary definitions where we insultingly generalize those we don't agree with!fadedsteve wrote:
lib*er*al: adj
1: A person so open minded their brains have fallen out.
Exactly. My loyalties are with my personal beliefs and values. History has shown us that neither party has shown a commitment to any one particular ideology. They market themselves according to what their campaign advisor's tell them. They are continually changing their stances to adjust to current situations. In a sense they are all wafflers.sergeriver wrote:
The solution: stop voting for parties, and vote for people. If you are a conservative and you like Obama vote for him, and if you are a liberal and you like Giuliani vote for him.
Never voted for Bush and do not watch Fox..........yet still find the same threads over and over again truly annoying sometimes.JahManRed wrote:
Ok, so now even the most right wing Bush supporters who cried foul at any criticism of Bush before with cries of "not another Bush, Fox News thread" have finally seen the light?
Does this mean an official apology from the Right to us tree hugging liberal hippies?
Whats truly annoying is these threads popping up about Bush and conservatives 'seeing the light'. When liberals say it, we're destroying America. A republican says it, he's right and truly on top of things.usmarine2005 wrote:
Never voted for Bush and do not watch Fox..........yet still find the same threads over and over again truly annoying sometimes.JahManRed wrote:
Ok, so now even the most right wing Bush supporters who cried foul at any criticism of Bush before with cries of "not another Bush, Fox News thread" have finally seen the light?
Does this mean an official apology from the Right to us tree hugging liberal hippies?