B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7288|Cologne, Germany

usmarine2005 wrote:

Ryan wrote:

I agree, but it isn't a volunteer organization. It is a job (career if you like) and the soldiers do get paid.
Without volunteers you would have conscription.
If I remember correctly, you also had that in Vietnam. And it wasn't such a good idea.

I wonder what happened if the majority of those who now enter the armed forces voluntarily, should suddenly decide that they do no longer wish to support the US administration's foreign policy with their lifes, and not enlist...
namsdrawkcaB
Biggest n00blet around!
+35|6746

theit57 wrote:

So, if you don't have anything nice to say about the brave, honerable, couragous people in Iraq fighting for other peoples rights, then shove off.
From some reason i dont think so pal.

Last edited by namsdrawkcaB (2007-05-24 04:50:34)

M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6669|Escea

theit57 wrote:

i like these four videos:




That last video always makes the hair on the back of neck stand up.
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7109|USA
Liberals said this a year(s) ago and we get the "they signed up" from the righties. Funny how in the past three days, conservatives are taking the left stance on the war, rehashing threads they shit on, and suddenly its an enlightewning moment. Once again. Welcome to four years ago. Thanks for playing.
mestaoptik
Member
+0|6631
If people are talking about fighting for their rights, they need to look a little closer to home rather than looking at the Middle East. The Middle East is the smoke screen whilst your constitution is being re-written, hence the Patriot 2 Act. Just within the last 24 hours Bush has announced that in the event of another attack on America he would become a dictator and declare Martial Law. How many propaganda films/TV programmes have you seen recently depicting a nuclear type event happening in one or more cities in the US, I seem to remember the same sort of thing before 9/11 happened. It's a conditioning exercise. If you ask me, the whole Hurricane Katrina thing, which I followed all day long everyday from here in the UK, was a FEMA exercise to see exactly how FEMA would operate under such conditions.

Your lives are dictated to you already by the likes of Fox News, twisting and distorting the facts fo which surround you. The Mainstream Media is just as much to blame for the errosion of the constitution as is the government. If people don't take the trouble to find out the facts away from the Mainstream Media then they're completely in the dark about what is really going on.

Here in the UK we have 1 CCTV per 14 people, a national DNA database which the US want to have acces to, a forthcoming RFID identity card scheme, potential satilite tracking devices to be installed in to our cars, our news is controlled by the government even though it's made to appear like it isn't. All this and more because of the war on terror, a war which has no defined target as such and no end in sight while ever the undefined target changes in its cloud of illusion. Why is all this neccessary to our daily lives? We have lived for years without such monitoring. I can't even walk in some areas and drop a single crisp (snack) without some jumped up moron slapping a £75 fine on my ass, £75 is more than most average people earn in a day after taxes. Further developments of this technology are to include face recognition, we already have cameras with speakers to be-little offenders on the street, bio fingerprint scans for my child to get his school dinner, Xray cameras, microphones to detect the stress levels in someones voice, testing of children to see if they have a gene which could result in them becoming a criminal - madness evolved within the last few years. This sort of thing requires planning and I suggest it was planned a long time ago to control us and our freedom.

So the war, well the war is the smokescreen my friends designed on an economic basis and gives an excellent oppurtunity to desolve our personal freedoms. Yes it's difficult to believe such a thing could happen in our day and age, but it is now that the technology has arrived to allow such a thing to happen. History teaches us that we're controlled all the way from different levels of dictatorship to a so called democratic society; and does a democratic society really solve everybodys problems? We still have homeless, poor, disease, crime, drugs and most of all we're still controlled and manipulated.
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6966|Πάϊ

namsdrawkcaB wrote:

theit57 wrote:

So, if you don't have anything nice to say about the brave, honerable, couragous people in Iraq fighting for other peoples rights, then shove off.
From some reason i dont think so pal.
lol its all for the good of the people don't you know that?
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namsdrawkcaB
Biggest n00blet around!
+35|6746

oug wrote:

namsdrawkcaB wrote:

theit57 wrote:

So, if you don't have anything nice to say about the brave, honerable, couragous people in Iraq fighting for other peoples rights, then shove off.
From some reason i dont think so pal.
lol its all for the good of the people don't you know that?
rofl
theit57
I am THE Frodo Baggins.
+124|6845|6 feet under
Thanks guys, i didn't know that so many of you felt so strongly about these things.
Superslim
BF2s Frat Brother
+211|7138|Calgary
ha ha  found the video I was looking for: To answer the question: Why we fight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaMEVmUI … mp;search=
11sog_raider
a gaurdian of life
+112|6905|behind my rifle

theit57 wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

I quite agree.

However, I feel many people think that any anti-war or anti-administration statement is automatically 'dissing' the individual soldiers themselves.

It is possible to have respect for the individual soldiers enganged in combat, but to not have respect for the adminstration that sent them into that combat.
which is almost exactly what i am saying.
agreed

David.Podedworny wrote:

Third it. Fuck you hippies they died so you could smoke your fucken weed!
agreed

i dont know how they feel at all bieng mis-treated, but as a lifeguard when we had to save someone who later died because of the paramedics, we got the blame saying we didnt do our job, even though we did all we could...its de-moralizing

Last edited by 11sog_raider (2007-05-24 20:06:01)

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,073|7218|PNW

Like others posted here, people are more concerned with hating politicians than hating troops. It's not like Vietnam. Anymore, most of the people you see hating on the troops themselves are elitist liberal (by use, not definition, before anybody decides to wiki it) snobs.
MTNMAC
Member
+6|6824

Bubbalo wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

I'm happy to respect those who lost their life for my freedom.  That group doesn't include members of the current US military.
That's a bit harsh is it not? Are you saying that you don't respect US soldiers in any way or form?
No, I'm saying I don't afford current soldiers the same level of respect as some of those who fought in WW2.

Superslim wrote:

You have to watch "Band of Brothers".. Episode 9: Why we Fight.

Best show ever, opens up your eyes to what it's like to have Armed Forces to save people in dire straits
I have.  You are aware that it's set in WW2?
"Don't afford current soldiers the same level of respect as some of those who fought in WW2." Does that also include soldiers that made the ultimate sacrifice for a fellow soldier? The 19 year old Marine PFC that jumps on a grenade to save his friends? How about the countless soldiers that have provided cover for innocent Iraqi families during firefights and risked their lives evacuating them out of the area? What about Combat Medics and Corpsmen, whose only job is to treat their fellow soldiers, bystanders, and the enemy?

I'd say it's a bit harsh.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7008
None of that changes the fact that the US army shouldn't have been there in the first place.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7090

Bubbalo wrote:

None of that changes the fact that the US army shouldn't have been there in the first place.
and yet you blame the army for being there
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7161|US

Bubbalo wrote:

None of that changes the fact that the US army shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Then, logically, you shouldn't afford the same respect to the politicians of today versus those of WWII. The military doesn't decide foreign policy, yet you are placing the blame for policy on the soldiers.  How did you come to this conclusion?

I find your comments almost comical.  You seem to hold US servicemen from WWII in such high regard, yet, not so for today's military.  Why?  Is is because WWII GIs were morally superior?  I would argue that the military of today is MUCH more humane and caring.  Or is it that your view of politics is clouding your judgement of those who took no part in the decisions you are using to judge them?

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