How many tortured US soldiers will it take before we as a country get down to business and start giving back to whoever is doing this?? We need to stop being so politically correct and start fighting a War..
Damn right! Militant eff off! You dont know half the shit these soldiers have to put up with! It was'nt like this in WW2 and Korea! It only started when we had those motherfucken hippies in the 60's! Louis dont take shit from noone! Nobody should ever have to to put up with shit.
Last edited by David.Podedworny (2007-05-26 08:35:25)
LOL. Maybe you should suggest to the insurgents that they wear uniforms.
Well Im joing the Marine Corps now that im out of high school and I have alot of buddies in the military and its ridiculous that the liberal freaks at home keep them from doing their job...Like LT. Pantano
So our troops get tortured, what are you gunna do about it? Capture insurgents and torture them back?
That's like 2 little kids fighting over a toy.
And we are fighting a war, whether you like it or not.
That's like 2 little kids fighting over a toy.
And we are fighting a war, whether you like it or not.
A war usually involves two armies. Look how vietnam went. There is no visible battle lines. They are trying to protect the Iraqis. What are they supposed to do when the enemy looks like everyone who lives there?
You can't just blow all of them away. The whole thing is horrible. Iraq isn't a bunch of terrorists. There are good citizens over there, human fucking beings, living with that life. Look how many of them died too.
While the politicians are proving to be too busy to bitch at each other's political parties, if you listen to the military itself, the top generals and such. They got thier game plan and are doing thier best. I've never heard one General on C-Span and such, say something really stupid.
This isn't a war. It's a fight against an underground insurgency. I believe those are two Vastly different things.
You can't just blow all of them away. The whole thing is horrible. Iraq isn't a bunch of terrorists. There are good citizens over there, human fucking beings, living with that life. Look how many of them died too.
While the politicians are proving to be too busy to bitch at each other's political parties, if you listen to the military itself, the top generals and such. They got thier game plan and are doing thier best. I've never heard one General on C-Span and such, say something really stupid.
This isn't a war. It's a fight against an underground insurgency. I believe those are two Vastly different things.
War is not just about killing people Louis. There are political goals too. You can't fight a war based purely on destruction without paying any regard whatsoever to what is trying to be achieved politically.{USMC}Louis wrote:
Well Im joing the Marine Corps now that im out of high school and I have alot of buddies in the military and its ridiculous that the liberal freaks at home keep them from doing their job...Like LT. Pantano
Idiots that compare this "war" to WW2. Idiots. I can't even be bothered to explain how different it is. I suppose the real way to do it would be to carpet bomb the whole of the Middle East right? Because the enemy is there? That'll win it! It worked for Japan and Germany!
A war usually involves two armies. Look how vietnam went. There is no visible battle lines. They are trying to protect the Iraqis. What are they supposed to do when the enemy looks like everyone who lives there?
You can't just blow all of them away. The whole thing is horrible. Iraq isn't a bunch of terrorists. There are good citizens over there, human fucking beings, living with that life. Look how many of them died too.
While the politicians are proving to be too busy bitching at each other's political parties, if you listen to the military itself, the top generals and such. They got thier game plan and are doing thier best. I've never heard one General on C-Span and such, say something really stupid.
This isn't a war. It's a fight against an underground insurgency. I believe those are two Vastly different things.
EDIT:DAMMIT meant to fix Grammar, not qoute...wrong button...
You can't just blow all of them away. The whole thing is horrible. Iraq isn't a bunch of terrorists. There are good citizens over there, human fucking beings, living with that life. Look how many of them died too.
While the politicians are proving to be too busy bitching at each other's political parties, if you listen to the military itself, the top generals and such. They got thier game plan and are doing thier best. I've never heard one General on C-Span and such, say something really stupid.
This isn't a war. It's a fight against an underground insurgency. I believe those are two Vastly different things.
EDIT:DAMMIT meant to fix Grammar, not qoute...wrong button...
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But we can still blow people the fuck up right?CameronPoe wrote:
War is not just about killing people Louis. There are political goals too. You can't fight a war based purely on destruction without paying any regard whatsoever to what is trying to be achieved politically.{USMC}Louis wrote:
Well Im joing the Marine Corps now that im out of high school and I have alot of buddies in the military and its ridiculous that the liberal freaks at home keep them from doing their job...Like LT. Pantano
Yeah but when we have captured terrorists we treat they like kings without a throne and got out of our way to be over nice....Like club git-mo ..
so troops get tortured big fuken woop everyone knows going to iraq was a stupid fucking idea but we went anyways an now we suffer for it o well live it out i spose
i can gaurentee that the u.s have tortured a few insurgents but meh its war i spose
i can gaurentee that the u.s have tortured a few insurgents but meh its war i spose
Fuck you! I know this war is different, It's conventional vs unconventional, The North Koreans did the same shit in the 50's but we eventually eliminated them all until china showed up. We need to have the same policies as before! No BS! Search and Destroy not talk it out with your enemy!Mekstizzle wrote:
Idiots that compare this "war" to WW2. Idiots. I can't even be bothered to explain how different it is. I suppose the real way to do it would be to carpet bomb the whole of the Middle East right? Because the enemy is there? That'll win it! It worked for Japan and Germany!
Hardly. You've captured them - they're out of the game and no threat to you any longer. Subjecting them to physical and mental torture makes you no better than those you criticise in the middle east. If you think Gitmo is a walk in the park then well to be honest I shudder to think what you plan for them.{USMC}Louis wrote:
Yeah but when we have captured terrorists we treat they like kings without a throne and got out of our way to be over nice....Like club git-mo ..
First he's in the army, second i need you for recruitment points for my cutting score, third, well.. you're gonna have to deal with Politically Correct ROE's, get use it. It sucks, want a shining example in an easy to view format? Black Hawk Down, they had to wait for the snap and pop, not just the super sonic snap.
World Opinion dictates what we can do, sure we could go against it, have UN sancitions against us, but be done with the war in a relatively short time. Probably have a whole new bread of terrorist in 15-20 years as well, if not sooner.
World Opinion dictates what we can do, sure we could go against it, have UN sancitions against us, but be done with the war in a relatively short time. Probably have a whole new bread of terrorist in 15-20 years as well, if not sooner.
You cannot reason with the terrorists...thats why they blow up our buildings and kill themsevles to kill others we just need to fluch that third world tolietDavid.Podedworny wrote:
Fuck you! I know this war is different, It's conventional vs unconventional, The North Koreans did the same shit in the 50's but we eventually eliminated them all until china showed up. We need to have the same policies as before! No BS! Search and Destroy not talk it out with your enemy!Mekstizzle wrote:
Idiots that compare this "war" to WW2. Idiots. I can't even be bothered to explain how different it is. I suppose the real way to do it would be to carpet bomb the whole of the Middle East right? Because the enemy is there? That'll win it! It worked for Japan and Germany!
Oh yeah, because those times we have captured insurgents and civilians, we didn't do anything but bow down to them because they are kings?{USMC}Louis wrote:
Yeah but when we have captured terrorists we treat they like kings without a throne and got out of our way to be over nice....Like club git-mo ..
We fucking tortured them to death.
They are treated better than us citizens that are un US prisons....they dont need thier koran or their prayer mats...You think that al quida is giving US soildiers Bibles?? I highly doubt it...
Uniforms have little to do with it. We need the people in charge and our media to fear the enemy more than they Fear losing their political offices and power. I doubt our enemies will accommodate us. They aren’t stupid. These people have grown up in conflict for generations, they needn’t and don’t operate within election year cycles. It has always been my opinion that they think, plan and operate in a time scale that would appear to most people ( in the U.S. ) very long term.
It was always my belief that the conflict as we know it will cover eight to ten years. Time will tell.
It was always my belief that the conflict as we know it will cover eight to ten years. Time will tell.
So we should behead them and torture them for the pleasure of it?{USMC}Louis wrote:
Yeah but when we have captured terrorists we treat they like kings without a throne and got out of our way to be over nice....Like club git-mo ..
First off, the rest of the world would not allow improper treatment of detainees and prisoners. The US is based upon the ideals of being decent human being. Tortured and the other actions by the insurgents is sick and unhonorable. Why would we want to do the same? to get them back?
Acting this way is barbaric and entirely unhonorable. THey are doing it to strike back in the few ways they can. They cannot realistically fight an engagement on a battlefield. So, they use this tactic to try to force us out. They promise more slaughter, more bombings, more turmoil, because thats all they can do to try to force us out.
They have no way of winning from a military point of view. Thier only way of winning is to never go away and continue with thier tactics in hopes that the US will give up the never ending fight and pull out.
The US acting this way to revenge would be pointless and, once again, entirely without honor.
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I believe that the media and politicians at home are the biggest problems with this war..
I agree with you there. totally.{USMC}Louis wrote:
I believe that the media and politicians at home are the biggest problems with this war..
No fucking shit. Al Queda = Terrorist organisation, which is why you're "at war" with them in the first place. If you're gonna act just like them. Then your whole reason for the war goes out of the window. The whole god damn reason you're fighting them is because they are what they are. Shit.{USMC}Louis wrote:
They are treated better than us citizens that are un US prisons....they dont need thier koran or their prayer mats...You think that al quida is giving US soildiers Bibles?? I highly doubt it...
Anyway. You're only the lesser of two evils (by a considerable margin, but still the lesser of two evils). But it's always like that. Even like that in WW2. Britain was only the lesser of two evils. Having an Empire yet crying when another country tried to do the same. That's life for you.
No but we dont need to be so pc..get the job done!!!!
Whatever it takes get the job done.....