Ridir
Semper Fi!
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Here's a curve ball for you Louis, when I went through basic training one of the other guides, you'll find out what they are soon enough, was Muslim.  Great guy, great Marine now, our Bn CO would not talk to him (during inspection he was never asked a question and recieved the lost guide marks, as per what my SDI said) after he found out he was Muslim.  Our Company CO would and did, at our dinner he asked some religious questions and we all "found out" that even though he is Muslim he doesn't believe in what the radicals are doing.  He also brought up some other interesting topics but basically he was being discriminated against because he was Muslim but he volunteered to serve our, his, country in a war against the Radicals. 

If we could achieve a sense of non biased, discriminating population there would be no need for the PC.  Its like an electric fence to keep you from running over a cliff.  Sure it stings and its annoying but at least you don't run off and do something stupid.
CameronPoe
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{USMC}Louis wrote:

Whatever it takes get the job done.....
What's 'the job'?
Ryan
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CameronPoe wrote:

{USMC}Louis wrote:

Whatever it takes get the job done.....
What's 'the job'?
He is probably referring to winning the war in the middle east.
But making this war into a POW type of war isn't the way to do it.
{USMC}Louis
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I can completly respect you if you are Muslim and are peaceful or sort but Islam is not a peacful religion...Its very violent..the Koran is all about killing and is very brutal
Ryan
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{USMC}Louis wrote:

I can completly respect you if you are Muslim and are peaceful or sort but Islam is not a peacful religion...Its very violent..the Koran is all about killing and is very brutal
Not exactly.
Have you ever looked at or read the Koran?
Search it up on google. You can browse around it. It's not all about killing.
CameronPoe
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{USMC}Louis wrote:

I can completly respect you if you are Muslim and are peaceful or sort but Islam is not a peacful religion...Its very violent..the Koran is all about killing and is very brutal
So is the Old Testament and the Torah.
{USMC}Louis
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I have read the koran and it is all about killing the infadel (hence why they blow themselves up whilke killing other innocent people to be marytrs)
Ryan
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{USMC}Louis wrote:

I have read the koran and it is all about killing the infadel (hence why they blow themselves up whilke killing other innocent people to be marytrs)
http://lexicorient.com/e.o/koran.htm

Look through some of the chapters.
There are alot, but the ones I looked at are about praising God.

I don't know much about the Koran, but I know they are some verses referring to killing the infidel.
{USMC}Louis
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Alot of verses...
Ridir
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The Bible isn't any better.  I'm Christian and I'll go ahead and tell ya.  It is full of murder, warfare, destruction of the infidel (Muslims, Hindu, Atheist), and sex.  In fact there are specific chapters that refer to God telling the Hebrews to destroy the Muslims.  They're all the sons of Abraham, but they were told to destroy the other tribes.  The only difference is in what century the offensive is taking place.  Christians used around the 1300's to try and take back Jerusalim in the Cursades and ended up losing a lot of Spain to the Moors for a while.  The entire picture has been reversed now.

Then.
Christians were not nearly as technically or socially advanced.
The Middle East held the great place to learn, kept math from being lost to Rome and Greece, and architecture was much more advanced.

Now.
The west (predominatedly Christian) is more advanced socially and technically while holding the Universities and learning centers. 

Both movements were religiously motivated, the Crusades and a Jihad.  Sure we'll have another century or two of this fighting, you'll not see peace in your life time.  But people will realize that it is nigh impossible to defeat these two forces with one another.
CameronPoe
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{USMC}Louis wrote:

I have read the koran and it is all about killing the infadel (hence why they blow themselves up whilke killing other innocent people to be marytrs)
Fair play to you. I tried and I found it the most mind-numbingly boring dated piece of nonsense on earth, much like the bible.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-05-26 09:18:35)

{USMC}Louis
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I am Christian as well and I know that the Bible has all that stuff in it but I dont think you will evr stop the violence unless you compltly remove one of those two forces..
Ridir
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The fewer supporters left of an idea the more extreme they will become, the more presecuted a religion is the more it will gain support.  Look at Christianity under the Roman Empire.  It was presecuted numerous times but never stopped growing.
CameronPoe
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{USMC}Louis wrote:

I am Christian as well and I know that the Bible has all that stuff in it but I dont think you will evr stop the violence unless you compltly remove one of those two forces..
That is Hitler talk my friend.
{USMC}Louis
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It Hitler was an insane demon possesed dictator  what ridir said is logic...See the difference??
CameronPoe
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{USMC}Louis wrote:

It Hitler was an insane demon possesed dictator  what ridir said is logic...See the difference??
I don't get what you mean? You're talking about the annihilation of billions of people.

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{USMC}Louis
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Ridir wrote:

The fewer supporters left of an idea the more extreme they will become, the more presecuted a religion is the more it will gain support.  Look at Christianity under the Roman Empire.  It was presecuted numerous times but never stopped growing.
If you think about when people feel threatened they become more invigrated to the cause...Like dogs in a fight when they feel threatened they attack..people can be the same way...
Ryan
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{USMC}Louis wrote:

It Hitler was an insane demon possesed dictator
I don't think he was demon possessed.
He wanted control, and the only way he could gain it was by dictatorship.

He had mental problems, but he wasn't possessed by the devil/demons.
{USMC}Louis
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+9|6628|Santa Rosa, California
Oh but I believe he was..Its all Biblical prophecy my friend....how else could you try to completely wipe out God's chosen people.??
CannonFodder11b
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Ryan wrote:

So our troops get tortured, what are you gunna do about it? Capture insurgents and torture them back?
That's like 2 little kids fighting over a toy.

And we are fighting a war, whether you like it or not.
I'd Rather put them into some vinyl bags rather then put them into a pair of flex cuffs myself.  Everytime we get a detainee we have to take them to a PHA and sit there for atleast 3 hours filling out sworn statements, showing proof of what type of EX-SPRAY they came up hot on, photos of the scene, photos of weapons, photos of the detainee next to said weapons, while this is happening ytou have 1 less squad (ATLEAST) out of the fight doing SSE and enrolling the guy into the HIIDE system. Thats 1 squad working to make sure this jackass that just blew up a humvee/stryker/ or even like last week a fucking Bradley.  While 1 squad pulls Security.  Its nuts...just kill them and save the paperwork and time.  Whats the point we nab em, 3 days later they are $180 dollars richer and walking the streets.
{USMC}Louis
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Thats it right there you dont play a game of baseball to tie..you play to win and if you have to slid head first into home then you slid into home headfirst!!!
Ryan
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{USMC}Louis wrote:

Oh but I believe he was..Its all Biblical prophecy my friend....how else could you try to completely wipe out God's chosen people.??
Wikipedia says: Hitler's paternal grandfather was probably one of the brothers Johann Georg Hiedler or Johann Nepomuk Hiedler. There were rumours that Hitler was one-quarter Jewish and that his grandmother, Maria Schicklgruber, became pregnant while working as a servant in a Jewish household. During the 1920s, the implications of these rumours were politically explosive, especially for the proponent of a racist ideology. Opponents tried to prove that Hitler had Jewish or Czech ancestors. Although these rumours were never confirmed, for Hitler they were reason enough to conceal his origins. According to Robert G. L. Waite in The Psychopathic God: Adolf Hitler, Hitler made it illegal for German women to work in Jewish households, and after the "Anschluss" (annexation) of Austria, Hitler had his father's hometown obliterated by turning it into an artillery practice area. Thus Hitler seems to have betrayed a fear of being Jewish. Waite says that Hitler's insecurities in this regard may have been more important than whether Judaic ancestry could have been proven by his peers.

I think it means he was afraid to let people know he was Jewish, and that he betrayed a fear of being Jewish.
{USMC}Louis
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That doenst dismiss what he did..The Jewish people are God's chosen and to try and wipe them out you would have to be demon possesed..Im sorry but thats what I believe..When you do that you are going against God and that can be very dangerous
Ryan
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{USMC}Louis wrote:

That doenst dismiss what he did..The Jewish people are God's chosen and to try and wipe them out you would have to be demon possesed..Im sorry but thats what I believe..When you do that you are going against God and that can be very dangerous
Maybe he is just racist against Jewish people.
That's like being racist against black people. It doesn't mean we are possessed by the devil.
Lotta_Drool
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{USMC}Louis wrote:

How many tortured US soldiers will it take before we as a country get down to business and start giving back to whoever is doing this?? We need to stop being so politically correct and start fighting a War..
Why the fuck did Bush allow the Press into Iraq? The Media ruined a perfectly good war and America unfortunately no longer has the Cajoles to do what is needed. 

Like my Daddy always said " If you're gonna do it half ass, get the hell out of my way ", Bush should have stepped aside so a real leader could have run the war, either that or stayed the hell out of Iraq.

My father's other big saying was "Get me another beer you dickless ass wad" but I strangely haven't found a way to apply that as words of wisdom in any situation yet.

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