Ryan
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+1,230|7290|Alberta, Canada

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopSto … ive_070525

In my newspaper, it says he stepped on a "jerry-rigged" anti-tank IED.
I didn't think anti-tank mines could be triggered with the light weight of a person.

Or maybe the mine didn't require much force to be detonated.
I'm not too sure.
Hunter/Jumper
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+117|6801
maybe it was` an old Anti tank mine that was [Jerry rigged] sic. To be employed as an Anti Personal device.

EI. Required less pressure to activate it ?
Ryan
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+1,230|7290|Alberta, Canada

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

maybe it was` an old Anti tank mine that was [Jerry rigged] sic. To be employed as an Anti Personal device.

EI. Required less pressure to activate it ?
That's a possibility.
Never really thought of that.
coke
Aye up duck!
+440|7156|England. Stoke
If it was an IED that implies that it was not a mine at all. Probably some form of artilley ordinance with "jerry rigged" fusing which are not exactly going to be the most stable of explosive devices...

Last edited by coke (2007-05-26 08:52:17)

Ryan
Member
+1,230|7290|Alberta, Canada

coke wrote:

If it was an IED that implies that it was not a mine at all. Probably some form of artilley ordinance with "jerry rigged" fusing which are not exactly going to be the most stable of explosive devices...
So he just happened to step on an artillery shell?
InfectiousShadow
BF2S Resident Bass Player
+45|6878|Washington State, USA

Ryan wrote:

coke wrote:

If it was an IED that implies that it was not a mine at all. Probably some form of artilley ordinance with "jerry rigged" fusing which are not exactly going to be the most stable of explosive devices...
So he just happened to step on an artillery shell?
That must have been a pretty gruesome way to go...
coke
Aye up duck!
+440|7156|England. Stoke

Ryan wrote:

coke wrote:

If it was an IED that implies that it was not a mine at all. Probably some form of artilley ordinance with "jerry rigged" fusing which are not exactly going to be the most stable of explosive devices...
So he just happened to step on an artillery shell?
You probably don't have to step on it and generally they wont be just laying there where you can see them, that sort of the whole point...
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6630|Ireland

Ryan wrote:

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20070525%2ftaliban_offensive_070525

In my newspaper, it says he stepped on a "jerry-rigged" anti-tank IED.
I didn't think anti-tank mines could be triggered with the light weight of a person.

Or maybe the mine didn't require much force to be detonated.
I'm not too sure.
Tilt Rod mine, not all mines detonate using pressure.

Army ftw
delta4bravo*nl*
Dutch Delight
+68|7199

Ryan wrote:

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20070525%2ftaliban_offensive_070525

In my newspaper, it says he stepped on a "jerry-rigged" anti-tank IED.
I didn't think anti-tank mines could be triggered with the light weight of a person.

Or maybe the mine didn't require much force to be detonated.
I'm not too sure.
Sad shit............
but an old trick in the book..
AT mines have pressure rings, crack those rings and the weight required to set them off goes way down.
but like said earlyer, there are all kinds of mines, tilt magnetic ect ect.

Last edited by delta4bravo*nl* (2007-05-26 15:28:00)

Reciprocity
Member
+721|7027|the dank(super) side of Oregon
poor guy was likely vaporized
imortal
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+240|7112|Austin, TX
There are several types of "real" anti tank mines.  The tilt-rod design can be set off by anything tilitng the rod over, and that does not take too much pressure.  There are also flat, pressure activated anti tank mines.  The weight to set one off is usually about 250 - 300 pounds.  Not bad, heavier than almost any healthy soldier. 

It is not unusual for a soldier on a patrol to carry 75 - 85 pounds in equipment.  That means almost any fully laden soldier can set off one of these mines. 

But you speficied that it was an improvised system.  If that was the case, it may have been sensative enough to set off just by nudging it.  Not much qualituy control when you are working in a basement to build mines, you know?
MrE`158
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+103|7070
I all likelyhood someone dug up an AT mine and dismantled/rebuilt it into an IED.  Probably just stripped the explosives out and set it up with a new detonator or something.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7008
I'm not an explosives expert, but I'm pretty sure mines without explosives tend to not blow up.



Usually.

Last edited by Bubbalo (2007-05-27 06:50:51)

MrE`158
Member
+103|7070
I meant they set up the explosives from the mine with a new detonator that would either be triggered by a person or could be set off by remote control, rather than use the detonating system originally in the mine, which would not necessarily be triggered by a person.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7008
Ah, right, that would work.

Lucky I'm not a bomb maker.  My bomb shells would inspire neither fear nor terror.
CannonFodder11b
Purple Heart Recipient
+73|7136|Fort Lewis WA

imortal wrote:

There are several types of "real" anti tank mines.  The tilt-rod design can be set off by anything tilitng the rod over, and that does not take too much pressure.  There are also flat, pressure activated anti tank mines.  The weight to set one off is usually about 250 - 300 pounds.  Not bad, heavier than almost any healthy soldier. 

It is not unusual for a soldier on a patrol to carry 75 - 85 pounds in equipment.  That means almost any fully laden soldier can set off one of these mines. 

But you speficied that it was an improvised system.  If that was the case, it may have been sensative enough to set off just by nudging it.  Not much qualituy control when you are working in a basement to build mines, you know?
Todays US Infantryman carries about 90lbs of gear. Front and back SAPI plates are about 10lbs each side SAPi's weigh in at 8lbs.  Add a basic load of ammo, water, flash bang, smoke, field stripped MRE, MITCH, and the weight goes up. I don't know too many Infantryman that carry a basic load of 210 rounds.  Me myself I carry 13 30 round mags, 2 frags, 2 flash bangs, and 2 HC smoke and a red smoke, not to mention in my buttpack I carry my camelback bladder, and 2 red flares, and a green star cluster flare. Sometimes I will wear my multipurpose pouch with 2 flex linear charges, and spare flex cuffs.  Add that to my 210lbs frame, and I'm well over the minimum 250lbs to set off a AT pressure plate.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7068|London, England
You're also armed and armoured enough to be classified as a damn vehicle!
imortal
Member
+240|7112|Austin, TX

CannonFodder11b wrote:

imortal wrote:

There are several types of "real" anti tank mines.  The tilt-rod design can be set off by anything tilitng the rod over, and that does not take too much pressure.  There are also flat, pressure activated anti tank mines.  The weight to set one off is usually about 250 - 300 pounds.  Not bad, heavier than almost any healthy soldier. 

It is not unusual for a soldier on a patrol to carry 75 - 85 pounds in equipment.  That means almost any fully laden soldier can set off one of these mines. 

But you speficied that it was an improvised system.  If that was the case, it may have been sensative enough to set off just by nudging it.  Not much qualituy control when you are working in a basement to build mines, you know?
Todays US Infantryman carries about 90lbs of gear. Front and back SAPI plates are about 10lbs each side SAPi's weigh in at 8lbs.  Add a basic load of ammo, water, flash bang, smoke, field stripped MRE, MITCH, and the weight goes up. I don't know too many Infantryman that carry a basic load of 210 rounds.  Me myself I carry 13 30 round mags, 2 frags, 2 flash bangs, and 2 HC smoke and a red smoke, not to mention in my buttpack I carry my camelback bladder, and 2 red flares, and a green star cluster flare. Sometimes I will wear my multipurpose pouch with 2 flex linear charges, and spare flex cuffs.  Add that to my 210lbs frame, and I'm well over the minimum 250lbs to set off a AT pressure plate.
Yeah, for me it was the old style flak vest with my brain bucket, M249 SAW, 3 200-round belts of ammo, 3 qt camelback, 2 1 qt canteens, and all the rest of the usual crud.  But I was in a heavy unit, so I rode everywhere.  Hence, my load was only 75 pounds.

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