Is Barak Obama electable as United States President??
Of course.
Yeah, he is a candidate isn't he?
You can be a candiadate and not be able to be elected by the people..Im mean do you think people will really vote for him..??
He's in second place amongst Democrats, so yeah, people are ready to vote for him now.
I think its cause he is young and has a fresh perspective on politics..
It would be pretty sad for America if Obama was deemed completely unelectable. Having said that I think he is electable but I don't think he will be.
Very true....I think that hilary will get it but I think that Rudi Giullioni will be elected..atleast I hope so
ug, not Rudi...that man is just riding the 9/11 wave.
you know people don't elect the president so it really doesn't matter what people want to be the president, I can just pay the person who people select and he can switch his vote and vote for me.chittydog wrote:
He's in second place amongst Democrats, so yeah, people are ready to vote for him now.
"There are two forms of democracy, consider the government of the United States, which is a representative, not direct, democracy; that is. American voters elect delegates who, in turn, cast electoral votes for nation's president."
"In the 2000 presidential election some voters were astonished to find out that a presidential candidate could actually receive more direct votes from American voters than his opponent and still lose the election. "(So direct is people decide the vote and the outcome of the election, but since people don't decide who is going to become a president the elected delegates do in does not matter that more people support one person than the other it does not mean he will win.) "Of course, this is possible only in representative democracy."
from "Ethics and Technology" book by Herman T. Tavani
Rudi was renewing New York way before 9/11...Befoe Mayor Guillioni nobody wanted to go to New York city..it was a hell hole...When he got into office he made it an attracion for people to come and have a good time in the city...Elamdri wrote:
ug, not Rudi...that man is just riding the 9/11 wave.
he isnt elected yet. first the voting has to start...... hopefully he wont get elected anyway
what is the 9/11 wave??Elamdri wrote:
ug, not Rudi...that man is just riding the 9/11 wave.
tgust5 wrote:
what is the 9/11 wave??Elamdri wrote:
ug, not Rudi...that man is just riding the 9/11 wave.
Which room would he have the affair in now?? The oval office will belong to his wife??
Is it a coincidence though?
Obama and Osama are so closely spelled.
Obama and Osama are so closely spelled.
I love you Americans. You laud Reagan, who was an ex-actor run by his Cabinet (sounds like George W) who ran the country into deficit to outspend the Russians and win the Cold War, but regard Clinton, who is the best president you have had since Kennedy/Johnson, as a bum because of his personal habits.
Bush allows illegal wire taps, lies to Congress, and ignores the constitution. Impeachment? Naaaaah.
You'll bitch and whinge about how sound bite politics and the media is ruining the system, then engage in the same stereotypcial thinking that perpetuates it.
Obama is electable. Why wouldn't he be? Oh, he's black (or half black). We wouldn't know the Civil War was 140 years ago and the civil rights movement 40 years done. I'd take him over George W any day.
The initial primaries will determine whether he gets a run or not. If they deliver a sizable % he'll get critical mass and may ambush Clinton. If not, he'll fade.
Why do you think Schwarnegger and a lot of state governors have been moving their primary dates? They are trying to get more influence on who runs long. They are sick of New Hampshire having such a big say, as the first primary.
Pay attention to that, not what Bill's Cabinet post will be. That has more effect on your democracy.
Strange how most other countries in the world have a lot of respect for Bill Clinton, and can't work out why the US is still hung up on his intern management program. Guess we're all just stupid.
Bring the flames.
PS: Yes all the above is sweeping generalisations. But that didn't stop anyone who argued the contrary points to date.
Bush allows illegal wire taps, lies to Congress, and ignores the constitution. Impeachment? Naaaaah.
You'll bitch and whinge about how sound bite politics and the media is ruining the system, then engage in the same stereotypcial thinking that perpetuates it.
Obama is electable. Why wouldn't he be? Oh, he's black (or half black). We wouldn't know the Civil War was 140 years ago and the civil rights movement 40 years done. I'd take him over George W any day.
The initial primaries will determine whether he gets a run or not. If they deliver a sizable % he'll get critical mass and may ambush Clinton. If not, he'll fade.
Why do you think Schwarnegger and a lot of state governors have been moving their primary dates? They are trying to get more influence on who runs long. They are sick of New Hampshire having such a big say, as the first primary.
Pay attention to that, not what Bill's Cabinet post will be. That has more effect on your democracy.
Strange how most other countries in the world have a lot of respect for Bill Clinton, and can't work out why the US is still hung up on his intern management program. Guess we're all just stupid.
Bring the flames.
PS: Yes all the above is sweeping generalisations. But that didn't stop anyone who argued the contrary points to date.
Obama has as good a chance as any of the canidates, however, the serious mudslinging hasn't yet begun.
I prefer my flames in degrees of hell ... (hmmm, that was about a Gehenna)
Bush was a governor of texas. 15-all.
I agree I'd prefer Obama to Clinton. Because as we have seen with Bush, whoever is the US President has a big affect on the rest of the planet. It always staggers me to see how few Americans vote, because a lot of people outside the US would love to have some say. But then I come from a country where voting is compulsory. Something I believe in.
I can't see that Hilary is any more self centred than many other politicians of both sides. The fact she is a woman means she gets more crap than if she was a man probably. I think Bill got a lot out of her, in assistance and nous. Some of the Republican candidates (and George W) scare me more than she does.
I agree on Powell. I think he has ability to be a statesman, not just a politician. The fact he got out of George W's Cabinet shows he had some integrity.
I also agree about Bill as an Ambassador on a tight leash - he'd be great. He did a lot in the Mid East while he was ther, it just all went south after he left.
There's far too much agreeing going on here ...
And you're right. Bill didn't do enough at times. Invading Rwanda, and staying in Somalia, were things he should have done. Seriously.
Whoever is President for the next 4-8 years has several big things to deal with:
1. Iraq.
2. China.
3. Health care & pension reform.
I am always staggered you can be relatively well off in the US, get sick, and ruin yourself. The wealthiest country in the world can't look after its own. There's something scary about that.
Edit: typo
Bush was a governor of texas. 15-all.
I agree I'd prefer Obama to Clinton. Because as we have seen with Bush, whoever is the US President has a big affect on the rest of the planet. It always staggers me to see how few Americans vote, because a lot of people outside the US would love to have some say. But then I come from a country where voting is compulsory. Something I believe in.
I can't see that Hilary is any more self centred than many other politicians of both sides. The fact she is a woman means she gets more crap than if she was a man probably. I think Bill got a lot out of her, in assistance and nous. Some of the Republican candidates (and George W) scare me more than she does.
I agree on Powell. I think he has ability to be a statesman, not just a politician. The fact he got out of George W's Cabinet shows he had some integrity.
I also agree about Bill as an Ambassador on a tight leash - he'd be great. He did a lot in the Mid East while he was ther, it just all went south after he left.
There's far too much agreeing going on here ...
And you're right. Bill didn't do enough at times. Invading Rwanda, and staying in Somalia, were things he should have done. Seriously.
Whoever is President for the next 4-8 years has several big things to deal with:
1. Iraq.
2. China.
3. Health care & pension reform.
I am always staggered you can be relatively well off in the US, get sick, and ruin yourself. The wealthiest country in the world can't look after its own. There's something scary about that.
Edit: typo
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Electable, yes. Will he get elected? I don't think so.{USMC}Louis wrote:
Is Barak Obama electable as United States President??
Edwards is more fit for the nomination anyway.
Guiliani is a hopelessly hawkish victim of fear. I understand why he sees things the way he does, but we need someone with a clearer head than him.{USMC}Louis wrote:
Rudi was renewing New York way before 9/11...Befoe Mayor Guillioni nobody wanted to go to New York city..it was a hell hole...When he got into office he made it an attracion for people to come and have a good time in the city...Elamdri wrote:
ug, not Rudi...that man is just riding the 9/11 wave.
America has had more than its fair share of paranoid and bellicose presidents.