Poll

Are you in favour of gameplay adjusting rules?

Always 30% 30% - 11 69% 69% - 25
In Clanwars 47% 47% - 17 52% 52% - 19
In public servers 38% 38% - 14 61% 61% - 22
Total: 36
duffry
Moderator Emeritus
+148|7262|Cheshire, UK
Baserape
Basecamping
Arty on main/uncap
Troops in main/uncap
Missiles/bombs on main/uncap

Rules preventing the above effect the gameplay - Do you prefer to play with them or without them?

TKing
Queue for vehicles
Driving off alone
Sitting in vehicles while afk
Standing on runway

Rules concerning the above are not about gameplay and excluded from this poll.

There's been so many conversations...
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=3397
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=9723 *
...but I couldn't find a vote.

*will add more if I find them

Last edited by duffry (2006-01-23 16:06:44)

Dirrty_Bird
Dirtier than thou
+5|7163|Vermont
No no and no.  Being spawncamped never lasts long or is avoidable.  Some other stuff I consider more etiquitte than rules (ie afk in a vehicle).  A lot of stuff bothers me but I wouldn't want rules against it.
Sh4rkb1t3
Member
+6|7107
If you don't believe in adjusting the gameplay rules, you are a closed-minded conservative bitch.  Anything that is not offical, you will not play.
VeNg3nCe^
¦Tactics Øver Principles¦
+314|7128|Antarctica
No, the game is meant to be played as it is, not for n00bs to make up safety rules for themselves.
MarkyMark
Member
+5|7096|UK
Its all about gamesmanship and sportsmanship. Sure if someone comes and bombs the USS Essex on wake when im waiting for a helo, sure im annoyed buts its not like i thinks its cheating and so just get on with it, but at the same time when an attak helo just sits around rinsing everyone who spawns thats another matter. Its all about moderation. Sure its ok in dilution but when you get pricks doing 100% of the time just to rank up K/D, it begins to suck the balls.

Last edited by MarkyMark (2006-01-23 18:36:20)

duffry
Moderator Emeritus
+148|7262|Cheshire, UK
In War: Resolution.
In Defeat: Defiance.
In Victory: Magnanimity.
In Peace: Good Will.
~Winston Churchill


'In war: resolution', if you gain an advantage you should push it home. Some maps force the winning side to drain enemy tickets manually (by killing people) rather than by capturing the flags. It's a 'wargame', what makes it a game is that once you have been beaten you get up and have another go. People who press home a 'fought-for-and-won' advantage ar no more 'just padding their KDR' than the people getting shot are 'just moaning about losing their KDR'; both are playing the game. Backing off from a tactical advantage isn't sportsmanship, it's charity and is belittleing the opposition; imagine seeing it in pro sports. Rules that state 'let X clear area Y before Z can happen' or the like, leave themselves open to huge interpretation by each side which in turn leads to disparity of opinion and therefore unfairness.
All this is one thing on a public server - but exasperated in an official, competitive match.

My opinion, but then I've voted.
*climbs off soap box*
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7264|Cologne, Germany

I believe that some basic rules of conduct should be enforced even on public servers.

those would be s.th. like:

TKing / TKing for vehicles
Driving off alone
Sitting in vehicles while afk
Standing on runway
commander blocking asset/vehicle while commanding

please note that above mentioned rules only regard behaviour towards teammates.

other issues, like:

Baserape
Basecamping
Arty on main/uncap
Troops in main/uncap
Missiles/bombs on main/uncap

should not be enforced on public servers.
YoBabysDaddy
Member
+31|7246|St. Louis, MO
No,changing the playing conditions to fit thier limited skills is gay and is no better than a knife and pistol only server.
Dirrty_Bird
Dirtier than thou
+5|7163|Vermont

B.Schuss wrote:

I believe that some basic rules of conduct should be enforced even on public servers.

those would be s.th. like:

TKing / TKing for vehicles
Driving off alone
Sitting in vehicles while afk
Standing on runway
commander blocking asset/vehicle while commanding

please note that above mentioned rules only regard behaviour towards teammates.
That's the kind of stuff I would consider etiquitte.  I'm not advocating any of this, I just don't think it shouldn't be in server rules.  If I see someone do this kind of thing I generally say to myself, "hey, that guy's a dick" and then I keep playing.  I try not to do any of it myself, and that is that.  Life goes on.

Also, by enforced do you mean just admins and stuff doing the kicking?

Last edited by BiRdMaN829 (2006-01-24 20:16:10)

B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7264|Cologne, Germany

BiRdMaN829 wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

I believe that some basic rules of conduct should be enforced even on public servers.

those would be s.th. like:

TKing / TKing for vehicles
Driving off alone
Sitting in vehicles while afk
Standing on runway
commander blocking asset/vehicle while commanding

please note that above mentioned rules only regard behaviour towards teammates.
That's the kind of stuff I would consider etiquitte.  I'm not advocating any of this, I just don't think it shouldn't be in server rules.  If I see someone do this kind of thing I generally say to myself, "hey, that guy's a dick" and then I keep playing.  I try not to do any of it myself, and that is that.  Life goes on.

Also, by enforced do you mean just admins and stuff doing the kicking?
well, if you decide to have rules like those on your server, you need to make sure they are enforced. Rules are worthless if they cannot be enforced. so yeah, you'd have to have admins assigned for the server. Even EA has introduced certified server admins for their public servers, although I believe this is merely an attempt to stop stat padding, exploiting and cheating.

btw, I'd add those three to my list ( stats padding, exploiting, cheating ).

I agree that it ain't much of a big deal in a wider ( life ) context, but every game has rules and those who take the game seriously will rightfully insist that those rules should be followed. This is especially true for team-based multiplayers where a couple of asshats can ruin the gaming experience for the whole team.

I don't own a BF2 server, but if I did, I would make sure that bad behaviour was sanctioned.
[swe]lloyd
Member
+0|7110
My humble opinion:

A hail to a great game that has such complexity and variety that every round is always a new round.
At a single night you can come across all the above-mentioned strategies/exploits/noobishness.
Isn't  that great?! A game that reflexts all different ppl?

Some are cheap-shots, some are lazy, some are blitz-straight-down king badasses who kicks evrybodies ass, some are mediocre, some are exploiters.

To paraphrase EA itself: If it's in the game - it's in the game!
Meanin if ppl use all kinds of shit IRL, it'll be reflected in the game.

Which it is! A prefect game if u ask me
The only thing not perfect are the players
Co77er
Member
+0|7091
Baserape - If they only have one flag left, fine.
Basecamping - Again, One Flag left.
Arty on main/uncap - Go right a fucking head
Troops in main/uncap - Stealing/Blowing commandershit up only pref, i do enjoy the casual free kill though
Missiles/bombs on main/uncap - A living target, is a Legal Target

Rules preventing the above effect the gameplay - Do you prefer to play with them or without them?

TKing - i like friendly fire off
Queue for vehicles - First hop in, First serve(i know the spot to get in before everyone else on carriers and most spawnpoints )
Driving off alone - Depends on how urgent i need to go somewhere
Sitting in vehicles while afk - while this counts as "statpadding" whenever i go get a drink or a sandwich i do do this.
Standing on runway - only to bug friends i always duck for a plane
duffry
Moderator Emeritus
+148|7262|Cheshire, UK
Baserape - If they only have one flag left, fine.
Why only then? Surely that's the most annoying (though deserved) time cos you can't spawn at a different flag (though you can on any squad lead)
Basecamping - Again, One Flag left.
So what is the point of a sniper?
Arty on main/uncap - Go right a fucking head
good stuff
Troops in main/uncap - Stealing/Blowing commandershit up only pref, i do enjoy the casual free kill though
So cutting supply lines and causing static is bad?
Capturing the main or holding defensive position in it is bad?
Missiles/bombs on main/uncap - A living target, is a Legal Target
Err...ok.

TKing - i like friendly fire off
Well, not many people do IMO. I won't have punnish on though, too many angry people.
Queue for vehicles - First hop in, First serve(i know the spot to get in before everyone else on carriers and most spawnpoints )
If there's someone waiting for the vehicle I hope you don't show off your knowledge of spawn positions and get in ahead of them; that's just rude.
Driving off alone - Depends on how urgent i need to go somewhere
If someone is running towards your jeep but you wanna go, will you wait?
If someone is running rowards your helo will you fly off without a gunner?
Sitting in vehicles while afk - while this counts as "statpadding" whenever i go get a drink or a sandwich i do do this.
You'll be kicked from my servers for that kind of selfishness.
Standing on runway - only to bug friends i always duck for a plane
hassleing friends is one thing but it's dumb for others.

I don't mean to 'pick on you' dude, you raised interesting points and I wanted to address them. Thanks.
Boufo
Member
+0|7102

VeNg3nCe^ wrote:

No, the game is meant to be played as it is, not for n00bs to make up safety rules for themselves.
word up.

if there are half a dozen fools standing around waiting for air assets at an uncap why wouldn't i cap their asses? i don't give a shit even if they have 10 other flags!

if fools insist on letting me sit in their spawn area and they insist on respawning in the same location why wouldn't i give them a mouthful of tank shell?
Torin
Member
+52|7115
No, no and no.

Rules like this are for queer crybaby noobs.

On maps like Gulf of Oman with stupid rules like these, the USMC could camp the MEC runway and deny the MEC team their aircraft (because it is a cappable base) but the MEC could not do the same to the USMC on the carrier? I don't freaking think so.

On maps like Sharqi, you have to wait and let the MEC come to you before you can do anything to them? Just let them all mount up in whatever assets they want and make their merry way to attempting to take your flags before you can attack them? I don't freaking think so.

BF2 does not need some stupid safety blanket for nooby players. If you can't deal with a base camper, quit playing the game because you suck. If you only have 1 uncappable base left and are being camped by 10 tanks, quit playing the game because your whole team sucks. If you cry because the enemy commander uses artillery on your plane spawn once every 2 minutes, quit the game because you suck.

And what about maps where the commander assets are in the main uncappable base? Can spec-ops just never destroy them because infantry are not allowed in the uncappable base? I don't freaking think so.

Rules like these are for no skill lamers who don't have the ability to deal with legit tactics. If you can't handle the heat, get the f*ck out of the kitchen. And to the whiners and people who vote yes, get some skill you noobs. I'm so sorry that superior players repeatedly own your punk asses, let's not worry about getting bettert at the game, let's just make up some rules as a cop out for our poor play? Eh?

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