usmarine
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/200 … alfgenetic

“If you think your opponents are not just being willfully bullheaded but rather have a kind of biological predisposition toward a set of beliefs, you might not spend as much time beating your head against the wall trying to get them to change,” he said.

If this is true, it would kill this section.
Cerpin_Taxt
Member
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I'm genetically liberal.
Hurricane
Banned
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I hope it's true.
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
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Cerpin_Taxt wrote:

I'm genetically liberal.
Master*
Banned
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Cerpin_Taxt wrote:

I'm genetically liberal.
Ridiculous
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6737|Éire
He says it could be based on genetics but he doesn't exactly go into detail does he ...his only proof seems to be that twins think alike ...duh?

If he's right I guess I must have the liberal gene somewhere in me.
Turquoise
O Canada
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This really seems like junk science to me.  Nurture trumps nature on these kinds of things.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
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Turquoise wrote:

This really seems like junk science to me.  Nurture trumps nature on these kinds of things.
You call his studies junk science and then make a definitive statement with no proof?

I'm dissappointed.
cryptofcolumbus
Member
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Bubbalo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

This really seems like junk science to me.  Nurture trumps nature on these kinds of things.
You call his studies junk science and then make a definitive statement with no proof?

I'm dissappointed.
QFT
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6965|Montucky
wow a million dollar(atleast) study on pure bullshit. What next a study that tries to identify the reason why prisoners want to escape?

Last edited by S3v3N (2007-05-29 00:31:34)

Bubbalo
The Lizzard
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This thread is a really revealing as to what members of D&ST will jump to whatever conclusion suits them.
MrE`158
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I'm unconvinced by what's in those reports.

Identical twins associate with one another more closely than fraternal twins, mainly because, since they look the same, people around them tend to always consider them as a duo, it's very difficult for a young identical twin to establish their own individual identity, at least outside of immediate family members.  I'd say that this close association has a lot more to do with the similarities in their political leanings than genetics.  It's possible, of course, I'm not a behavioural biologist, but I've studied psychology, and from what I can gather a huge amount of a persons outlook on like is determined by their upbringing and social conditioning, rather than a genetic disposition towards anything.

The report as linked to seems to be jumping on one possible conclusion without accounting for another, which is pretty junky science.  Explore all the options and I'll take it more seriously.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7068|London, England
Political preference is purely environmental. As is BEING FAT. BEING GAY. BEING A SEX ADDICT. BEING A DRUGGIE and in general, an ASSHOLE.

Stop bullshitting with these gene things, where were these genes 1000 years ago? It just happens to pop up now to make it convenient for all the gay fatso's out there.
ghettoperson
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Mekstizzle wrote:

Political preference is purely environmental. As is BEING FAT. BEING GAY. BEING A SEX ADDICT. BEING A DRUGGIE and in general, an ASSHOLE.

Stop bullshitting with these gene things, where were these genes 1000 years ago? It just happens to pop up now to make it convenient for all the gay fatso's out there.
I'm genetically an asshole.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
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He assumes that there were no gay, fat people 1000 years ago...................
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7068|London, England
Well there was, but the point is that the reason there are much more these days isn't because there is a higher overall population therefore a higher chance of being genetically gay/fat. It's because of the other environmental reasons that people simply refuse to accept. That's what i think. Even back then, people who were most likely obese were mostly the famous/rich people who just happened to have slaves and alot of food. Just a coincidence?
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
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And yet today (and back then) not all who had access to food were fat..............

And I fail to see where gays come into this.
sfarrar33
Halogenoalkane
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People who are more conscientious and prefer order, structure and closure in their lives tend to be more conservative, whereas creative people who are open to new experiences tend to be more politically liberal, says John Jost
o' rly
yes it appears the useless psychologists who just about passed their tests at university are trying to justify their meaningless existence once again. Unlike those who actually passed properly and actually do help people with mental disorders and the like...

liberals seem to be drawn to chaos and novelty—for instance, they tend to support social change—whereas conservatives prefer reassurance and structure, and thus like to maintain the status quo.
wow we have some fucking hard core revelations here, I mean its not like the name 'conservative' gives any clues to what they like is it.
Kommander_Kale
Genetically Modified
+19|6862|Melbourne, Australia
Genetics may have some effect, give a tendency to act a certain way in reaction to things (e.g. being quick to anger) but beliefs aren't part of it. Genetics cannot code for things that involve higher thinking. They may govern basic instincts such as eating, sleeping, excreting, breeding, but an abstract idea like politics or religion just doesn't come in to the equation.

Identical twins of course are predisposed to react in a certain way to stimuli and as it's likely they'll be in the same environment this may likely end up leaving them both with the same set of beliefs/ideologies. In the nature vs nurture debate, i think nurture definitely has the deciding vote though. While nature may have some affect on this, as obviously different people react to things differently, the same person could quite easily become a conservative or a radical depending on whether Che Guevara or George Bush was their father.
JahManRed
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+646|7075|IRELAND

usmarine2005 wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070528/sc_livescience/politicalpreferenceishalfgenetic

“If you think your opponents are not just being willfully bullheaded but rather have a kind of biological predisposition toward a set of beliefs, you might not spend as much time beating your head against the wall trying to get them to change,” he said.

If this is true, it would kill this section.
I knew you were a 'mick'.
Scorpion0x17
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+691|7213|Cambridge (UK)

Mekstizzle wrote:

Political preference is purely environmental. As is BEING FAT. BEING GAY. BEING A SEX ADDICT. BEING A DRUGGIE and in general, an ASSHOLE.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and probably wrong.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7068|London, England
If people want to blame their genes on their inadequacies, that's fine by me. All I'm saying is there's more to it than genes. Everyone always underestimates the environmental factors.
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7213|Cambridge (UK)

Mekstizzle wrote:

If people want to blame their genes on their inadequacies, that's fine by me. All I'm saying is there's more to it than genes. Everyone always underestimates the environmental factors.
You went to the other extreme and said it was, quote, "purely environmental", end quote.

Sexual preference is predominantly genetic.

Addiction is predominantly genetic.

Body shape is predominantly genetic.

Political preference and being an asshole, is more difficult, but I personally reckon these are also predominantly genetic.

Environment enables these genetic traits to show to their full effect, but they are still predominantly genetic.
usmarine
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JahManRed wrote:

I knew you were a 'mick'.
I know I am.
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
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usmarine2005 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

I knew you were a 'mick'.
I know I am.
Obviously genetic so it`s not your fault 
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