BF2S Forums Not everybody is a gunner .............more noObage

Spetz wrote:

any1 play Oil Fields or Oman much?

the f-14 and mec/chinese equivalent...

Any1 had a really awesome LaserMissile guy?

i started a round jumped in the f-14 had to wait because some random had parked the attack chopper on the air strip and from outa no where this guy jumps in, i eventualy tookoff and i kept getting shit loads of Assists and i looked at this guys score it was 10 minutes into the round and he had 97, and this guy was good i was tailing a jet it was too fast to to target with missiles but he shot of a laser missile and bang he hit it, it went on for about 35 minutes at the end of the round he had 120 kills, any1 know the name of this guy, hes a legend

I duno about 120 kills but i had about 30 klls and 40-50 Kill assists as a gunner in a plane on Gulf, that included spamming essex with 2-3 video missiles on parallel passes.  Works out pretty good, got me my crew ribbon.  But my pilot was something else, i consider myself pretty good but we flew the whole round only getting shot down once.  On that slow hunk of junk i consider it amazing.

the_ubernoob_ wrote:

...wow...and I thought I was unlucky.
When things like that happen I want to learn how to switch to gunner seat in mid flight and unleash a torrent of accurate MG fire and TV missles to devaste the enemy while the chopper spins around like a top. (I wish I could do that )

You certainly ARE a noob. nothing to do with your message. just the fact its sad you're happy about being an 'ubernoob'.
get a life

First thing, I want to thank Gilgalad for posting that advice.

Gilgalad wrote:

Tyferra wrote:

Too many people insist on saying "MY CHOPPER HANDS OFF," and if they're good or not, it's really fucken sad. Same goes for people wanting their own mate as a gunner, although that's not so bad.

Tyferra, if you'd bother to read the posts made by myself and others complaining, you'd realize that we are not complaining because they get in the vehicle to begin with, but that more often than not try to get back in after they've shown to us that they suck.

I'm sorry, but who died and made you king?

Gilgalad wrote:

The planes are a rare commodity and can be a difference maker on the map. When the skillless use them, it isn't about me being some smacktard whore who cries if I don't get my precious jet/helo, it is the entire team that suffers. Why should a team of 32 struggle just to satisfy the desire to practice flying by some newbie?

Why indeed? Because it's a game. It's not life or death. Nobody really dies, and everybody starts out inexperienced.

Gilgalad wrote:

I checked you stats, and see that you have almost 3 hours of helo time and just 42 kills at the time I'm posting this. I'm guessing that some of that time ocurred in transport helos, but it is still a fairly low kill rate.

Wow. For all you know, he might have spent nearly all that helo time piloting a blackhawk and capping flags.

Thanks again for posting those tips, keep up the good work! 

I cited his stats because he made the comment about being a good gunner, and I pointed out that he had very few kills on which to base that statement. I also commended him for his good attitude about how to behave as a gunner, which is far better than many players (including those of which we have complained about).

I don't have any good new material, but I'm glad that the tips were appreciated.

Almost all of my time in helos is transport, not attack.  When I do go in a helo I usually go as an engineer in the passenger position so I can repair the helo in flight and allows me quick access to destroyed assets that I can repair.  Quite honestly, my time in attack choppers probably totals 10 minutes of those roughly 3 hours, but I've done okay with hitting targets when I did have the opportunity.  Most of what I said about being an okay gunner comes from playing on LAN servers with friends, not online in ranked servers.  I just don't want to play the TK, get out so my buddy can fly with me, mentality.

I also never said that you must have the pilot level off, I merely stated that when a pilot does that, he is lining up a shot for the gunner.

My accuracy certainly has room for improvement, so any tips are always appreciated. 

Dr.Battlefield wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

My accuracy certainly has room for improvement, so any tips are always appreciated. 

1 tip for accuracy (kinda joke):

use Mi-28

Yeah, the incredible amount of splash damage is a joke alright. Turns even the biggest n00b into a 'l33t' gunner. That is, if they don't just sit in the TV view and if they fire somewhere in the general direction of the target while you are hovering perfectly still. Okay, maybe if they just point at the enemy they will just fall dead out of fear that thing (although I doubt the ability of said gunner to even accomplish that sometimes).

Edit: Because I hate excesses of short postings that just clutter up a thread. So I am actually responding to a comment made right below this.

deagle_23 wrote:

It`s pretty simple if you ask me.

In Bf2 there is one rule, first in veichle fly/gun (If server rules dosent say anything else) . If a noob gets in before your buddy, deal with it and use the rockets.

Its only a game

Congratulations on only reading the first point of the thread and giving the 'deal with it' response. So little thought was put into your comment that I believe it deserves a full flaming. Of course when I'm playing I'll just have to deal with the situation (with my M-95 - or not).

Maybe people who come through these forums will see this thread with all its insightful comment and decide that they will either decide to spend the time in a non-ranked environment to learn to be an alert and perceptive gunner, or they will just decide not to spend the time to learn but not try to take a plane/chopper pilot or gunner spot.

Many people obsess because of the ranking/stats system, and there are unranked servers out there to work on these skills, if you are just learning then please use them.

Last edited by Gilgalad (2006-01-24 13:10:00)

Exactly it only a game. I prefer jets to attack helos (find them a bit squirly to control so am usually a gunner) I never take a jet just because or tk or try to beat someone to it if they are going for it they can have it i'll go on foot/ tank/ apc/ jeep etc. I know i'm a decent pilot i also know when i am out matched, and when no one else is even bothering to try so i go up.

   I was on Kubra Dam and was USMC this guy in a MIG was AMAZING he'd come out of nowhere and once he was on my tail i couldn't lose him, the only kills i got against him were when i got the drop on him instead. But after half the round of taking the jet up (waiting to make sure none else wanted it) i finally typed to my team "Any pilots out there I cannot out fly this guy" usually i just say screw it and go on with the game but this guy would bomb every flag and was basically uncontested for air superiority and we were having out asses handed to us because of it, sadly no takers all the pilots had tried and didn't want their K/d to go down. This was quite a while a go and since no one wanted it i figured i'd get the experience

  The moral is to help your team, know when you are beat and let someone (hopefully better) else have the vehicle if you are getting raped. If there are no takers go back up screw stats, your team needs the help even if it is only to keep him occupied to not bomb them while they win it on the ground. For helos learn to use all the weapons if you are a gunner, for bombers and helo pilots learn to line up a gunner, the bomber is not a fighter so don't even try. Get a wingman in the J-10 (or equivalent) to keep the fighters off you. If there is no wingman obviously don't just bend over and take it. The point is work as a team, it works in real life you'd be suprised how much it works here. Also VOIP is your friend if you have a mic use it if not then, communicate the best way possible (I never could type commands and fly a plane) I highly recomend getting a headset, not always an option but if you can, do it!

Vic42 wrote:

BTW, the gun on an an attack helo is very effective once you learn how to lead a target properly. I must be missing some vital secret to the TV missiles though, because I can't get them to turn fast enough to hit targets that are taking evasive action. Any tips on firing and guiding TV missiles?

Also, going from the TV missiles back to the gun puts me in the "inside" view, and I have to hit F9 again to get a full view of the environment. Does anybody how to prevent that?

First off, if they are being evasive, lead the target. Aim to where they are going, not where they are. This will make your needed adjustments smaller. The only evasive target that is hard to hit is another helo. If they are good they will face right at you, and stay higher if possible (or lean back to give their gunner a shot on you). I really should try out the mod tools so that I can check out the target mesh of the helicopters. They seem to have a little room to give around the edges when viewed from the side, especially the tail, but very little forgiveness for error when faced head on. Ground targets are toast if you lead them properly as well as transport helos.

Now, as far as the "inside view" is concerned I don't like using the F9 button (too far from other useful keys). The C key will rotate views when in vehicles (interior, nose, rea chase, front chase, and a stationary point in front of you - most are just pretty for viewing afterwards but useless while flying - except for checking your tail). Thus after going back to your regular MG you can go to the nose camera without having to move your left hand away from its normal position. This is also convenient for me as I fly planes and helos using only the keyboard, so I hope this tip allows you to make the view switch more quickly.