Definitely drinking at home on a regular basis, my father is in denial but he is alcohol dependant. He goes through a case of 20 beers every week just at home. That's worth 46 Uk alcohol units a week, the recommended safe level is 20. He talks about cutting down but he never does. The drinking upsets mostly my mother but it also upsets me and my siblings. Even when we tell him he has a problem he will just dismiss it.
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Which is more likely to lead to alcoholism?
| Binge drinking on the weekend | 50% | 50% - 55 | ||||
| Casually drinking at home on a regular/semi-reg basis | 50% | 50% - 55 | ||||
| Total: 110 | ||||||
You can become an alcoholic from not only the booze, but also from emotional problems as well. People that don't know how to deal with their problems can find it easier to climb into a bottle, rather than face reality. That's the blunt truth of it. And yes, you can find a few people out there who have a hard time physically digesting the alcohol in their system which can lead to dependency, but by and large... it's the emotional problems that lead to the boozin' more than anything else.
I don't know anyone who has their shit together that's an alcoholic. People they do seem to have their shit together and are still alcoholics just know how to hide it better than others.
I don't know anyone who has their shit together that's an alcoholic. People they do seem to have their shit together and are still alcoholics just know how to hide it better than others.
I disagree. It is use to excess that leads to dependency. Moderate use, over any period of time, will not have addictive consequences. Binge drinking, even on a semi regular basis, is exactly the type of behaviour that can lead to addiction and dependency.
Getting drunk is the issue, not drinking in itself. Occasional drinking at home most often does not lead to getting drunk. If you're getting drunk most days at home, then that could easily lead to alcoholism - but that is very different from drinking wine with meals or having the occasional beer.
Getting drunk is the issue, not drinking in itself. Occasional drinking at home most often does not lead to getting drunk. If you're getting drunk most days at home, then that could easily lead to alcoholism - but that is very different from drinking wine with meals or having the occasional beer.
Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-06-06 09:10:00)
I agree with Bertster. That's much more of problem then the occasional glass of wine at dinner or a beer while playing BF2.
I tried "drinking" coke too, but I had to stop, the bottle kept getting stuck up my nose.sergeriver wrote:
Now, I only drink Coke.
Personally I see the drinking at home thing akin to the '1 cigarette a day' crowd: you know that, depending on the individual, within the year they'll be smoking 10 a week and not long after 10 a day.Bertster7 wrote:
I disagree. It is use to excess that leads to dependency. Moderate use, over any period of time, will not have addictive consequences. Binge drinking, even on a semi regular basis, is exactly the type of behaviour that can lead to addiction and dependency.
Getting drunk is the issue, not drinking in itself. Occasional drinking at home most often does not lead to getting drunk. If you're getting drunk most days at home, then that could easily lead to alcoholism - but that is very different from drinking wine with meals or having the occasional beer.
Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-06-06 09:40:24)
That's very different. Nicotine is about the most addictive substance you could find anywhere, alcohol is not. I drink quite regularly at home, most days certainly, yet I very, very rarely get drunk at home. There is no amount of nicotine that is harmless, but small quantities of alcohol are harmless.CameronPoe wrote:
Personally I see the drinking at home thing akin to the '1 cigarette a day' crowd: you know that, depending on the individual, within the year they'll be smoking 10 a week and not long after 10 a day.Bertster7 wrote:
I disagree. It is use to excess that leads to dependency. Moderate use, over any period of time, will not have addictive consequences. Binge drinking, even on a semi regular basis, is exactly the type of behaviour that can lead to addiction and dependency.
Getting drunk is the issue, not drinking in itself. Occasional drinking at home most often does not lead to getting drunk. If you're getting drunk most days at home, then that could easily lead to alcoholism - but that is very different from drinking wine with meals or having the occasional beer.
All existing medical guidelines state that drinking small amounts of alcohol is good and binge drinking is bad, in every sense - damage to the body and likelihood to lead to dependency. Reports by the WHO show a good correlation between heavy episodic drinking and dependency, I have yet to see any studies that establish a link between light, sporadic alcohol use and alcoholism.
One of my teachers said that when he was a kid his parents gave him watered down beer every night at dinner. He said that for for 26 years he had one glass of beer with dinner and that was it and he was never drunk in his life. But that might just me him.
Nah bert i gotta disagree, think on this, if you have a chemical in your body alot of the time your system becomes dependant on it. Thus if you drink every single day even a relatively small amount your body slowly gets hooked on it, leading to a dependency.
wachtler83 wrote:
i think regular drinking because it will become part of your daily habit and daily habits are hard to break imo
jsnipy wrote:
Of course it all boils down to why you drink.
Depends very much on the chemical.Vilham wrote:
Nah bert i gotta disagree, think on this, if you have a chemical in your body alot of the time your system becomes dependant on it. Thus if you drink every single day even a relatively small amount your body slowly gets hooked on it, leading to a dependency.
With alcohol I'm pretty sure that's not the way it works.
What the hell? How is Casually drinking at home on a regular/semi-reg basis winning?!
Binge drinking on the weekend is much more likely to contribute to the development of alchoholism. Casually drinking at home on a regular/semi-reg basis will do nothing more than raise your immunity to alchohol.
Binge drinking on the weekend is much more likely to contribute to the development of alchoholism. Casually drinking at home on a regular/semi-reg basis will do nothing more than raise your immunity to alchohol.
It is uncommon for you to develope a physical dependence to alcohal, and even if you do, it is really a minor problem compared to most drugs. Besides, he said semi-regularly; Not like it's 2 beers every night at 9:00.Bertster7 wrote:
Depends very much on the chemical.Vilham wrote:
Nah bert i gotta disagree, think on this, if you have a chemical in your body alot of the time your system becomes dependant on it. Thus if you drink every single day even a relatively small amount your body slowly gets hooked on it, leading to a dependency.
With alcohol I'm pretty sure that's not the way it works.
Technically binge drinking is alcoholism.
not really sure what leads to people becoming alkie's
stress, runs in the family? boredom.
alot of mine is being bored, or when i get anxiety, i like to have 6 or 8 beers, sometimes a 12 pack in one sitting. usually rolling rock or cornoa anymore
usually just a 6 pack on days off.
then on an off day ill have a couple of colt 45's because its cheap.
bah i dont think booze will kill me, prolly cigz...they are way worse
stress, runs in the family? boredom.
alot of mine is being bored, or when i get anxiety, i like to have 6 or 8 beers, sometimes a 12 pack in one sitting. usually rolling rock or cornoa anymore
usually just a 6 pack on days off.
then on an off day ill have a couple of colt 45's because its cheap.
bah i dont think booze will kill me, prolly cigz...they are way worse
Last edited by beerface702 (2007-06-06 23:39:11)
Well that's just ridiculous really. We're talking about dependency here.Bubbalo wrote:
Technically binge drinking is alcoholism.
I think binge drinking is worse. . .
most people who binge drink are alcoholics, or show more alcoholic tendencies. . . .
Its hard to say, but having a glass of wine or a beer once a night wouldnt constitute an alcoholic. In fact, isnt a glass a wine a day good for your heart?? Moreover, anything in moderation is better than everything all at once.
deep thought: A french fry a day probably isnt going to make you fat! But a couple baskets of fries over a three day period probably is going to give you a gut and or clogged arteries.
Personally when I go out, I binge drink, no doubt about it!! One could say by my drinking habits I could and should be labled an alcoholic. But at the same time I dont drink everyday. . . .
I dont think there is a way to classify an alcoholic. . . Cause successful people are alcoholics as well as bums. . . . I guess if alcohol is a negative force in your life, yet you still continue to drink regardless of the consequences. . . then your an alcoholic!
most people who binge drink are alcoholics, or show more alcoholic tendencies. . . .
Its hard to say, but having a glass of wine or a beer once a night wouldnt constitute an alcoholic. In fact, isnt a glass a wine a day good for your heart?? Moreover, anything in moderation is better than everything all at once.
deep thought: A french fry a day probably isnt going to make you fat! But a couple baskets of fries over a three day period probably is going to give you a gut and or clogged arteries.
Personally when I go out, I binge drink, no doubt about it!! One could say by my drinking habits I could and should be labled an alcoholic. But at the same time I dont drink everyday. . . .
I dont think there is a way to classify an alcoholic. . . Cause successful people are alcoholics as well as bums. . . . I guess if alcohol is a negative force in your life, yet you still continue to drink regardless of the consequences. . . then your an alcoholic!
Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-06-07 01:14:29)
Ummm. That's what I was just saying. Apart from the very wrong stuff:Deadmonkiefart wrote:
It is uncommon for you to develope a physical dependence to alcohal, and even if you do, it is really a minor problem compared to most drugs. Besides, he said semi-regularly; Not like it's 2 beers every night at 9:00.Bertster7 wrote:
Depends very much on the chemical.Vilham wrote:
Nah bert i gotta disagree, think on this, if you have a chemical in your body alot of the time your system becomes dependant on it. Thus if you drink every single day even a relatively small amount your body slowly gets hooked on it, leading to a dependency.
With alcohol I'm pretty sure that's not the way it works.
Which is nonsense. Alcohol is quite easy to become physically dependent upon, very easy in fact. It is also amongst the most harmful to those with a physical dependency, coming in second - just after Heroin.It is uncommon for you to develope a physical dependence to alcohal, and even if you do, it is really a minor problem compared to most drugs
If you really want to get technical, the modestly increased levels of tolerance to the effects of alcohol that semi-regular drinking give, also count as alcoholism. That is not how anyone here is using the term though, so it's not very constructive to think of it in those terms.Bubbalo wrote:
Technically binge drinking is alcoholism.
Casually drinking at home on a regular/semi-reg basis
50/50 poll ATM - fascinating.
I have to go with binge drinking.
I have to go with binge drinking.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
It's all bollox
i've elderly relations well into their 80's and 90's who still drink plenty of Beer and whiskey daily - a few who also smoke, and, all are in rude health. last winter my uncle George was lying on his back, on an oul concrete floor fixing at a tractor, drinking whiskey singing at the top of his lungs he's 86 and the craic is still mighty with him! no better man for the session, and he will drink most under the table!
i've elderly relations well into their 80's and 90's who still drink plenty of Beer and whiskey daily - a few who also smoke, and, all are in rude health. last winter my uncle George was lying on his back, on an oul concrete floor fixing at a tractor, drinking whiskey singing at the top of his lungs he's 86 and the craic is still mighty with him! no better man for the session, and he will drink most under the table!
I know, I just felt I should point out that if you ask a doctor, that's the official line (at least in Aus). Having said that, the bar for binge drinking is ridiculously low (it's somewhere around 3 or 5 beers in one session).CameronPoe wrote:
Well that's just ridiculous really. We're talking about dependency here.Bubbalo wrote:
Technically binge drinking is alcoholism.
Nope, alcoholism is the abuse of or dependance on alcohol. Binge drinking goes under the abuse of section. Again, this is according to the official line in the Australian medical community.Bertster7 wrote:
If you really want to get technical, the modestly increased levels of tolerance to the effects of alcohol that semi-regular drinking give, also count as alcoholism. That is not how anyone here is using the term though, so it's not very constructive to think of it in those terms.Bubbalo wrote:
Technically binge drinking is alcoholism.
I was going on this definition:Bubbalo wrote:
I know, I just felt I should point out that if you ask a doctor, that's the official line (at least in Aus). Having said that, the bar for binge drinking is ridiculously low (it's somewhere around 3 or 5 beers in one session).CameronPoe wrote:
Well that's just ridiculous really. We're talking about dependency here.Bubbalo wrote:
Technically binge drinking is alcoholism.Nope, alcoholism is the abuse of or dependance on alcohol. Binge drinking goes under the abuse of section. Again, this is according to the official line in the Australian medical community.Bertster7 wrote:
If you really want to get technical, the modestly increased levels of tolerance to the effects of alcohol that semi-regular drinking give, also count as alcoholism. That is not how anyone here is using the term though, so it's not very constructive to think of it in those terms.Bubbalo wrote:
Technically binge drinking is alcoholism.
And tolerance is certainly increased by regular drinking.Alcoholism, also known as "alcohol dependence," is a disease that includes four symptoms:
* Craving: A strong need, or compulsion, to drink.
* Loss of control: The inability to limit one's drinking on any given occasion.
* Physical dependence: Withdrawal symptoms, such as nausea, sweating, shakiness, and anxiety, occur when alcohol use is stopped after a period of heavy drinking.
* Tolerance: The need to drink greater amounts of alcohol in order to "get high."
But it's a bit of a crap definition (from the NIAAA in the US) and I am stretching it a bit.
Alcoholism sneaks up on you while you think yourself you have a moderate consumption.
People that binge each weekend are less likely to escalate into an alcoholic than the regular drinker that drinks a little every day, the latter is in the category that can lead to alcoholism if he/she is not very careful.
People that binge each weekend are less likely to escalate into an alcoholic than the regular drinker that drinks a little every day, the latter is in the category that can lead to alcoholism if he/she is not very careful.
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