Ace.O.Lamb
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Note: This Is not necessarily true, its something that merely popped into my head.

Our country Britain, was a fine country who stood up for what it was, we were great fighters, writers, inventors and explorers. I bet if we asked every kid or immagrant today to name us some famous british ledgends that they would not have a clue, instead they would come out with some rubbish like "David Beckham?". Why is it when immigrants come over to this country to be come British citizens that we do not enforce our Britishness upon them? Instead we say "fuck it, you enforce your own cultures upon us!"
If you come to Britain to become a British citizen then you should fucking respect our culture and not try and change our once proud country to suit you!!!! I'm all for cultural diversity but when it starts to make us change our own rules then i start to hate it. Anyway enough of the rant and back to the point.

This is what i was thinking about last night, its very over-the-top and probably could not ever happen but still, read on.

Your a certain Eastern nation. You dislike the west. You oppose anyone who is against your religion. You realise that a head on conflict with the west would result in mass destruction of your own nations. So you decide to be more subtle about it. You find a small western country with a pushover government, then you send a few million of your own people top 'help' inhabit it. Years pass and your people no longer find themselves as immagrants but as Western citizens with lots of rights and with those rights they begin to change the country. You begin to bring your religions into the country an build your own places of worship. You keep sending people, changing laws into this pushover nation untill you have more of your own population in that country, than the country does of its own. And Success you have taken over a nation in West right under their noses.

Note 2: I have nothing against other cultures etc. I know many different race people and they are all genuinly good people, so this is not a racist attack. I am simply putting forward an idea that maybe could be used by some other nation. I'm not saying it would work, its simply an idea!
Braddock
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Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

Note: This Is not necessarily true, its something that merely popped into my head.

Our country Britain, was a fine country who stood up for what it was, we were great fighters, writers, inventors and explorers. I bet if we asked every kid or immagrant today to name us some famous british ledgends that they would not have a clue, instead they would come out with some rubbish like "David Beckham?". Why is it when immigrants come over to this country to be come British citizens that we do not enforce our Britishness upon them? Instead we say "fuck it, you enforce your own cultures upon us!"
If you come to Britain to become a British citizen then you should fucking respect our culture and not try and change our once proud country to suit you!!!! I'm all for cultural diversity but when it starts to make us change our own rules then i start to hate it. Anyway enough of the rant and back to the point.

This is what i was thinking about last night, its very over-the-top and probably could not ever happen but still, read on.

Your a certain Eastern nation. You dislike the west. You oppose anyone who is against your religion. You realise that a head on conflict with the west would result in mass destruction of your own nations. So you decide to be more subtle about it. You find a small western country with a pushover government, then you send a few million of your own people top 'help' inhabit it. Years pass and your people no longer find themselves as immagrants but as Western citizens with lots of rights and with those rights they begin to change the country. You begin to bring your religions into the country an build your own places of worship. You keep sending people, changing laws into this pushover nation untill you have more of your own population in that country, than the country does of its own. And Success you have taken over a nation in West right under their noses.

Note 2: I have nothing against other cultures etc. I know many different race people and they are all genuinly good people, so this is not a racist attack. I am simply putting forward an idea that maybe could be used by some other nation. I'm not saying it would work, its simply an idea!
That's shocking, what kind of country would use such a tactic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster

Last edited by Braddock (2007-06-08 02:57:45)

Ace.O.Lamb
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Braddock wrote:

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

Note: This Is not necessarily true, its something that merely popped into my head.

Our country Britain, was a fine country who stood up for what it was, we were great fighters, writers, inventors and explorers. I bet if we asked every kid or immagrant today to name us some famous british ledgends that they would not have a clue, instead they would come out with some rubbish like "David Beckham?". Why is it when immigrants come over to this country to be come British citizens that we do not enforce our Britishness upon them? Instead we say "fuck it, you enforce your own cultures upon us!"
If you come to Britain to become a British citizen then you should fucking respect our culture and not try and change our once proud country to suit you!!!! I'm all for cultural diversity but when it starts to make us change our own rules then i start to hate it. Anyway enough of the rant and back to the point.

This is what i was thinking about last night, its very over-the-top and probably could not ever happen but still, read on.

Your a certain Eastern nation. You dislike the west. You oppose anyone who is against your religion. You realise that a head on conflict with the west would result in mass destruction of your own nations. So you decide to be more subtle about it. You find a small western country with a pushover government, then you send a few million of your own people top 'help' inhabit it. Years pass and your people no longer find themselves as immagrants but as Western citizens with lots of rights and with those rights they begin to change the country. You begin to bring your religions into the country an build your own places of worship. You keep sending people, changing laws into this pushover nation untill you have more of your own population in that country, than the country does of its own. And Success you have taken over a nation in West right under their noses.

Note 2: I have nothing against other cultures etc. I know many different race people and they are all genuinly good people, so this is not a racist attack. I am simply putting forward an idea that maybe could be used by some other nation. I'm not saying it would work, its simply an idea!
That's shocking, what kind of country would use such a tactic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster
Well there you go, its a good example of it
Braddock
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Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

Note: This Is not necessarily true, its something that merely popped into my head.

Our country Britain, was a fine country who stood up for what it was, we were great fighters, writers, inventors and explorers. I bet if we asked every kid or immagrant today to name us some famous british ledgends that they would not have a clue, instead they would come out with some rubbish like "David Beckham?". Why is it when immigrants come over to this country to be come British citizens that we do not enforce our Britishness upon them? Instead we say "fuck it, you enforce your own cultures upon us!"
If you come to Britain to become a British citizen then you should fucking respect our culture and not try and change our once proud country to suit you!!!! I'm all for cultural diversity but when it starts to make us change our own rules then i start to hate it. Anyway enough of the rant and back to the point.

This is what i was thinking about last night, its very over-the-top and probably could not ever happen but still, read on.

Your a certain Eastern nation. You dislike the west. You oppose anyone who is against your religion. You realise that a head on conflict with the west would result in mass destruction of your own nations. So you decide to be more subtle about it. You find a small western country with a pushover government, then you send a few million of your own people top 'help' inhabit it. Years pass and your people no longer find themselves as immagrants but as Western citizens with lots of rights and with those rights they begin to change the country. You begin to bring your religions into the country an build your own places of worship. You keep sending people, changing laws into this pushover nation untill you have more of your own population in that country, than the country does of its own. And Success you have taken over a nation in West right under their noses.

Note 2: I have nothing against other cultures etc. I know many different race people and they are all genuinly good people, so this is not a racist attack. I am simply putting forward an idea that maybe could be used by some other nation. I'm not saying it would work, its simply an idea!
That's shocking, what kind of country would use such a tactic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster
Well there you go, its a good example of it
That's what Israel have done in Palestine too, it's the most effective way to 'take over' a country but in the long run unless you commit to keeping a high birth rate (which is not always the case when your society becomes affluent and comfortable) your grip will slip eventually, as is happening slowly in Northern Ireland. It ultimately just means more conflict, pain and suffering drawn out over a longer period of time.

Also look at what the Albanians have attempted in Kosovo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Albanians
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Well, many people from Eastern Europe come to the UK and Ireland, only because they get way more money there (for shitty jobs). Of course you meant immigrants from Mid East, but maybe some of them want the same, a good pay check and a higher standard of living
Braddock
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No country ever changes its immigrants into fully integrated members of its own society and culture, what happens is you get the original culture and the new culture and it produces something new ...a hybrid of the two. You can see this in cities like New York, London and even Dublin (where we have old school black barbershops with African guys wearing Irish soccer tops and tricolours on the wall!). This is all good as long as the original culture is still acknowledged and kept alive.
Vernedead
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for the sake of appearances could you name a british, writer inventor or explorer that WASN'T featured on the bbc's "greatest briton program"?
Braddock
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Vernedead wrote:

for the sake of appearances could you name a british, writer inventor or explorer that WASN'T featured on the bbc's "greatest briton program"?
Isn't that the same list that had Bono on it? Did any French people make the list?
Surkill
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Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

Note: This Is not necessarily true, its something that merely popped into my head.

Our country Britain, was a fine country who stood up for what it was, we were great fighters, writers, inventors and explorers. I bet if we asked every kid or immagrant today to name us some famous british ledgends that they would not have a clue, instead they would come out with some rubbish like "David Beckham?". Why is it when immigrants come over to this country to be come British citizens that we do not enforce our Britishness upon them? Instead we say "fuck it, you enforce your own cultures upon us!"
If you come to Britain to become a British citizen then you should fucking respect our culture and not try and change our once proud country to suit you!!!! I'm all for cultural diversity but when it starts to make us change our own rules then i start to hate it. Anyway enough of the rant and back to the point.

This is what i was thinking about last night, its very over-the-top and probably could not ever happen but still, read on.

Your a certain Eastern nation. You dislike the west. You oppose anyone who is against your religion. You realise that a head on conflict with the west would result in mass destruction of your own nations. So you decide to be more subtle about it. You find a small western country with a pushover government, then you send a few million of your own people top 'help' inhabit it. Years pass and your people no longer find themselves as immagrants but as Western citizens with lots of rights and with those rights they begin to change the country. You begin to bring your religions into the country an build your own places of worship. You keep sending people, changing laws into this pushover nation untill you have more of your own population in that country, than the country does of its own. And Success you have taken over a nation in West right under their noses.

Note 2: I have nothing against other cultures etc. I know many different race people and they are all genuinly good people, so this is not a racist attack. I am simply putting forward an idea that maybe could be used by some other nation. I'm not saying it would work, its simply an idea!
I understand what you are saying. Its certainly not racist in anyway. I am from an South Asian country and I have lived in the UK for about three years. My dad was an airline manager. Currently am doing college in Thailand.

It is true what you say, I have met many Asian and African people who have this somewhat peasant like mentality. I think that the British government made a mistake of taking in such a huge inflow of unskilled immigrants from third world countries, rather than skilled ones.

Human beings are the most important of all resources, use it wisely.

But, I also want to say that the British has a horrible colonial history which took many lives and inflicted unecessary sufferings on people. I think its partly guilt that made the British government accept the wave of unskilled immigrants regardless of where they come from.

It looks a bit lame that the British go to some little adventures in Iraq and Afganistan. PM Blair should realize that this is the 21st century and not the colonial times. Throughout the past century, humankind has achieved many technological and scientific feats in various sciences, especially social and political sciences. No country, regardless of how powerful its military is, can impose law and order in another country.

Sorry if I offended you in any way.
Vernedead
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hundreds of them, the french were even allowed to vote in the poll [/sarcasm]

it does have bono, i never said it was a great list but its a shared resource.
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Surkill wrote:

Human beings are the most important of all resources, use it wisely.
Incorrect.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Braddock
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Vernedead wrote:

hundreds of them, the french were even allowed to vote in the poll [/sarcasm]

it does have bono, i never said it was a great list but its a shared resource.
Ha ha, us paddies are always ruining your polls! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2591357.stm

I hate the Wolfe Tones btw
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That's a hard one really.
Being that I live in California US, I know the constant illegal immigration is highest here then most places in the US. But not the only one.
They have anywhere from 100 to a few thousand a day alone trying to cross the Mexico border. Lots die trying to cross the deserts just to get a taste of the "good" life. Truth is, they will do all the jobs, most Americans wont think twice about doing, and for less. I would say 70% or more will never try to become a citizen ever. They live in a state of constantly being deported for a free trip home, then sneaking back to work.
Then there are the other immigrants that move over and take jobs, become citizens and try to make a better life for themselves.
To become a citizen you need to wait mostly. Then you need to take and pass a test about US history and the government. Funny thing is most kids in school here graduate without understanding just how our government works. And know far less about the branches then a new citizen.
This however does not mean they are forced to speak (American cause heh lets face it, its not English)English, Nor do they have to worship OUR god, or eat OUR food. That's the great part really. But they are required to speak some English to understand why they got pulled over, or to order dinner or pay a bill. But the sad thing is, to get a drivers license they have the tests are in every language under the sun.
Surkill
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Flecco wrote:

Surkill wrote:

Human beings are the most important of all resources, use it wisely.
Incorrect.
Why is that? You can't run anything without human beings. I am saying this from a holistic point of view.
Vernedead
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yes but their not resources.
imortal
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Here is an article that came to my attention via Neal Boortz; a mostly-libertarian talk show host here in the US.

http://www.timeout.com/london/features/print/2993.html

This is a muslims mans justification of the rule of london under muslim law.

This article is from Time Ot London

"Is London's future Islamic?
It’s the capital’s fastest growing religion, based on noble traditions and compassionate principles, yet Islam can still be tainted by mistrust and misunderstanding. Here Time Out argues that an Islamic London would be a better place


"The noise from the expectant crowd hushed to a murmur as an open-backed lorry that had driven slowly up the Mall – known since the Islamic revolution of 2021 as The Way of the Martyrs – nudged its way through the thousands gathered in Mohammad Sidique Khan Square. On the lorry, two masked guards held a young man, black hood over his head; a quiver running through the material suggested he knew what was coming.

The lorry halted by the plinth that had once held Marc Quinn’s sculpture ‘Alison Lapper Pregnant’ – long since removed as an insult to decency – and was now the place of public execution. A rope noose attached to a wire cable hung from a mechanised hoist. The main doors of what had been the National Gallery flung open and an Imam walked down the steps of the new Institute of Islamic Jurisprudence, opened only a week before by Sultan Charles, Prince of Islam and protector of the faithful in England.



The official executioner placed a stepladder against the plinth. The lorry pulled up and the young man was pushed out, then forced up the ladder. The noose was forced over the condemned man’s head. The crowd chanted ‘Allahu akbar’ (God is greater than everything).The hoist driver put his finger on a green button … Okay, not really – that’s a hysterical, right-wing nightmare of a future Muslim London: where an cruel alien creed is forced on a liberal city. A society where women are second-class citizens, same sex relationships a crime and Sharia law enforces terrible public disfigurement and death. But the reality is a long, long way from this dark vision.

For a start, Islam is not an alien religion to London. At the end of World War I the city sat at the heart of an Empire that had 160 million Muslim subjects, 80 million in India alone. London was the largest Islamic capital in the world. Forty years later and the end of the Empire, unrest and war and poverty in south Asia had lead to mass immigration to the mother country and London became a Muslim capital in another sense.

According to the 2001 census there are 607,083 Muslims living in London (310,477 men and 296,606 women). The majority of Muslims live in the east of the city and, by 2012, the Muslim Council of Britain estimates that the Muslim population of Tower Hamlets, Newham, Waltham Forest and Hackney will be 250,000. There are plans afoot (though no formal application has yet been submitted) to build the UKs biggest mosque – capable of welcoming 40,000 worshippers – near the 2012 Olympic site, a move which has prompted predictable outrage from some quarters. Consequently, Muslim disillionment with a reactionary and often ill-informed press is at an all time high.

But rather than fear the inevitable changes this will bring to London, or buy in to a racist representation of all Muslims as terrorists, we should recognise both what Islam has given this city already, and the advantages it would bring across a wide range of areas in the future.

Public health
On the surface, Islamic health doesn’t look good: the 2001 census showed that 24 per cent of Muslim women and 21 per cent of Muslim men suffered long-term illness and disability. But these are factors of social conditions rather than religion. In fact, Islam offers Londoners potential health benefits: the Muslim act of prayer is designed to keep worshippers fit, their joints supple and, at five times a day, their stomachs trim. The regular washing of the feet and hands required before prayers promotes public hygiene and would reduce the transmission of superbugs in London’s hospitals.

Alcohol is haram, or forbidden, to Muslims. As London is above the national average for alcohol-related deaths in males, with 17.6 per 100,000 people (Camden has 31.6 per 100,000 males), turning all the city’s pubs into juice bars would have a massive positive effect on public health. Forbid alcohol throughout the country, and you’d avoid many of the 22,000 alcohol-related deaths and the £7.3 billion national bill for alcohol-related crime and disorder each year.

Ecology
‘The world is green and beautiful,’ said the prophet Muhammad, ‘and Allah has appointed you his guardian over it.’ The Islamic concept of halifa or trusteeship obliges Muslims to look after the natural world and Muhammad was one of the first ever environmentalists, advocating hima – areas where wildlife and forestry are protected. So we could expect more public parks under Islam, but halifa also applies to recycling: in 2006, 12,000 Muslims attended a series of sermons at the East London Mosque explaining the theological evidence for a link between behaving in an environmentally sustainable way and the Islamic faith.

Education
Presently, Muslim students perform less well than non-Muslim students. In inner London, 37 per cent of 16 to 24-year-old Muslims have no qualifications (the figure for the general population of the same age and location is 25 per cent). When it comes to university education the picture is equally gloomy: 16 to 24-year-old Muslims are half as likely to have degree level or above qualification than other inner London young people.

Again, social factors rather than religion have led to this state of affairs. Young Muslims in London are often of south Asian origin and therefore more likely to live in households where English is not the first language, more likely to encounter racism (both intentional and unintentional) during their education, and more likely to suffer from poverty and bad housing conditions.

But Tahir Alam, education spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain, claims Muslim children do better in their own faith schools than in the mainstream state sector: ‘Muslim schools have their own distinct ethos. They use the children’s faith and heritage as primary motivators to provide the backdrop for their education and behaviour. This ethos is consistent with the messages that children are getting at home, so it is a very coherent operation between the home and the school.’

If Islam became the dominant religion in London the same ethos could be applied to schooling across swathes of underprivileged and deprived areas of the city. This could have a revolutionary effect on educational achievement and, perhaps just as importantly, general levels of discipline and self-respect among London’s young people. While controversy rages over faith schools, there are 37 Muslim schools in London. As of 2004, only five were state schools, but there is growing pressure to bring more into the state sector which, according to Alam, will ‘help raise achievement for many sectors of the Muslim community. Many private Muslim schools are under-resourced and if they can be brought into the state sector this valuable experience can be extended to more children.’

Food
Application of halal (Arabic for ‘permissable’) dietary laws across London would free us at a stroke from our addiction to junk food, and the general adoption of a south Asian diet rich in fruit juice, rice and vegetables with occasional mutton or chicken would have a drastic effect on obesity, hyperactivity, attention deficit disorders and associated public health problems. As curry is already Londoners’ and the nation’s favourite food (see our Brick Lane food feature), it would be a relatively easy process to encourage the adoption of such a diet. Not eating would be important as well. The annual fasting month of Ramadan instils self-discipline, courtesy and social cohesion. And Londoners would benefit philosophically and physically from even a short period when we weren’t constantly ramming food into our mouths.

Inter-faith relations
In an Islamic London, Christians and Jews – with their allegiance to the Bible and the Talmud – would be protected as ‘peoples of the book’. Hindus and Sikhs manage to live alongside a large Muslim population in India, so why not here? Although England has a long tradition of religious bigotry against, for instance, Roman Catholics, it is reasonable to assume that under the guiding hand of Islam a civilised accommodation could be made among faith groups in London. This welcoming stance already exists in the capital in the form of the City Circle (see Yahya Birt interview), which encourages inter-faith dialogue and open discussion.

Arts
Some of the finest art in London is already Islamic. The Jameel Gallery at the V&A houses ‘ceramics, textiles, carpets, metalwork, glass and woodwork, which date from the great days of the Islamic caliphate of the eighth and ninth century’ up until the turn of the last century. Or take a free daily tour of the Addis Gallery of Islamic art (at the British Museum). London-based Nasser David Khalili, an Iranian-born Jew, has amassed what is considered to be the world’s largest private collection of Islamic art. Islamic influences have also flourished in other areas of the arts, with novelists, comedians (Birmingham-born Shazia Mirza was an instant hit on the London circuit), and music (from rappers Mecca2Medina on, to the less in-your-face Yusuf Islam).

Social justice
Each Muslim is obliged to pay zakat, a welfare tax of 2.5 per cent of annual income, that is distributed to the poor and the needy. If the working population of London, 5.2 million, was predominantly Muslim this would produce approximately £3.2bn each year. More importantly, everyone would be obliged to consider those Londoners who haven’t shared their good fortune. London would become a little less cruel.

Race relations
Under Islam all ethnicities are equal. Once you have submitted to Allah you are a Muslim – it doesn’t matter what colour you are. End of story.



Michael Hodges, Tue Jun 5"

There you go, hope you enjoy!

Last edited by imortal (2007-06-09 07:55:50)

iamangry
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Other nations who are working on it:

Middle East (namely Pakistan, even though its not in the Middle East... you know what I mean) ----> Europe on the whole
Latin America (namely Mexico) -----> United States

The west is gonna get pretty bad here in a few years, and I don't see any other world region with our beliefs in freedom and whatnot.  Except Sweden.  That's why when America has a president who can't speak English, and the royalty of GB becomes Saudi, I'm moving to Sweden!
Mitch
16 more years
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Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

Note: This Is not necessarily true, its something that merely popped into my head.

Our country Britain, was a fine country who stood up for what it was, we were great fighters, writers, inventors and explorers. I bet if we asked every kid or immagrant today to name us some famous british ledgends that they would not have a clue, instead they would come out with some rubbish like "David Beckham?". Why is it when immigrants come over to this country to be come British citizens that we do not enforce our Britishness upon them? Instead we say "fuck it, you enforce your own cultures upon us!"
If you come to Britain to become a British citizen then you should fucking respect our culture and not try and change our once proud country to suit you!!!! I'm all for cultural diversity but when it starts to make us change our own rules then i start to hate it. Anyway enough of the rant and back to the point.

This is what i was thinking about last night, its very over-the-top and probably could not ever happen but still, read on.

Your a certain Eastern nation. You dislike the west. You oppose anyone who is against your religion. You realise that a head on conflict with the west would result in mass destruction of your own nations. So you decide to be more subtle about it. You find a small western country with a pushover government, then you send a few million of your own people top 'help' inhabit it. Years pass and your people no longer find themselves as immagrants but as Western citizens with lots of rights and with those rights they begin to change the country. You begin to bring your religions into the country an build your own places of worship. You keep sending people, changing laws into this pushover nation untill you have more of your own population in that country, than the country does of its own. And Success you have taken over a nation in West right under their noses.

Note 2: I have nothing against other cultures etc. I know many different race people and they are all genuinly good people, so this is not a racist attack. I am simply putting forward an idea that maybe could be used by some other nation. I'm not saying it would work, its simply an idea!
Dude the same thing happens in America with the filthy Mexicans! Thats why you need to fucking speak Spanish just to get around some parts of Florida.
It pisses me off that they come to OUR country and think that they can just form little Mexican villages and decide "Well fuck you America and your fucking English language, Im gunna rape your welfare system and produce 10 baby's so you have to pay us, then when you want a cheeseburger you have to learn spanish just to order it from the resteraunt i work at!!!!"

AHHH!!!!!!!!!!! MAKES ME SO MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15 more years! 15 more years!
JihaadJack
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You mean like all the English moving to Australia? ;P
Ace.O.Lamb
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JihaadJack wrote:

You mean like all the English moving to Australia? ;P
It was us who colonised it anyway!

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