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2007-06-08 11:14:23
KnowMeByTrailOfDead
Jackass of all Trades
+62|7127|Dayton, Ohio
So what do you guys think of Putin's response to the US missle defence plan.  Do you like the idea, do you think the two countries can make it fly?

I find the idea interesting and wonder if it wouldn't be an acceptable compromise.  After all, if we are truly worried about missle defence, we could just beef up the navel side around Europe.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywar … v=rss_blog
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/s … n=94911732
2007-06-08 12:11:00
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7047|132 and Bush

So long as we are sharing Op'ed articles.
There's a heap more trouble a-comin', pardners. HOME ON THE MISSILE RANGE
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-06-08 19:10:47
Skorpy-chan
Member
+127|6791|Twyford, UK
Putin's KNOWS the US won't agree. The US knows Putin won't like it. This is just saber-rattling. Sabers with live grenades tied to the end on string.
2007-06-08 19:35:14
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7047|132 and Bush

Skorpy I don't know if you read the link I posted but it elludes to the idea that Putin is hanging himself.

"Of course, Bush realizes that Putin's offer is an attempt to destroy any utility such an anti-missile system might have. In a crisis, Moscow could dictate terms to Baku, shut the radar site down - or even invade Azerbaijan without drawing more than a whimper from the West. But Vlad knows he can't drop paratroopers in the Czech Republic these days.

The Kremlin's ambitious long-term program includes re-establishing as much of the old Soviet Empire as possible. Poland may no longer be up for grabs, but Russia fully expects to rule in Azerbaijan again and to control its Caspian Sea natural-gas deposits. A state-of-the-art, U.S.-funded upgrade of the decaying Russian radar post would be a gift to Russia, with no benefit to us or to NATO at all. (And, of course, the technology would be compromised from Day One.)

What's been stunning about Putin's tantrums, belligerence and willingness to murder critics in cold blood is the stupidity of his actions. European public opinion and government cooperation were his for the asking. Everybody wanted to hate the American sheriff instead. But Vlad threw it all away.

Cutting off fuel supplies to one Eastern European state after another in the dead of winter doesn't encourage trust. A government-backed cyber-assault on Estonia, a NATO member, didn't calm European nerves. And the literally radioactive murder of a dissident in Britain, followed by the Kremlin's refusal to extradite the alleged killer, was so blatant an atrocity that even London's mayor, "Red Ken" Livingstone - a man with Marx in his DNA - wouldn't make excuses for the Russians. "
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-06-08 20:26:25
Skorpy-chan
Member
+127|6791|Twyford, UK
That's because he's trying to return to the good old days of Russian communism.

I frankly can't blame him. Democracy has ruined the country, the soviet union has shrunk all the way back to the Russian border, and the world's overtaking him. Now the US wants to nerf his only political trump card, so he's putting his foot down.
Personally, I woulda declared blitzkrieg and annexed China by now, but Civ games don't tend to land me with a good nuking.
2007-06-08 20:58:03
Havok
Nymphomaniac Treatment Specialist
+302|7121|Florida, United States

So what do we think is going to happen?  Another Cold War?  I don't think America is up for it to be honest.  We'd fall victim to the same ploy that we used to (for lack of a better word) defeat the Soviets, bankruptcy.
2007-06-08 21:39:09
elstonieo
Oil 4 Euros not $$$
+20|6784|EsSeX

rdx-fx wrote:

Havok wrote:

So what do we think is going to happen?  Another Cold War?  I don't think America is up for it to be honest.  We'd fall victim to the same ploy that we used to (for lack of a better word) defeat the Soviets, bankruptcy.
To a point, that's the tactic that Al Quaeda is trying to use on the US.
Al Quaeda thinks they are responsible for the collapse of the USSR.
They think that their war with the USSR in Afghanistan caused the economic and social collapse of the USSR.
They conveniently forget the involvement of the US in pushing the USSR to overspend on their military.
Al Quaeda seem to think they can cause the same social malaise and economic bankruptcy in the US today, as they previously think they did with the USSR.

The key difference between the USSR's collapse, and trying to make the USA collapse in the same manner is interdependency.
Too many of the major world powers are too heavily invested in the USA to allow the US economy to collapse completely.
Whether it be through trade goods, stock markets, banking, or what have you - a complete collapse of the US economy would take China, Japan, the EU, the UK, and (yes) alot of the Middle East down with it.

In short, long before the US economy collapsed - the major foreign governments and banks (Eurobank, etc) would be seriously 'cooking the books' to keep investor confidence up.  In contrast, the USSR was a very isolated economic entity when it collapsed - so noone had a vested interest in propping them up.
you seem to know an awful lot about what they think and what Euro owes the US are you a European/al quaeda political/historian living in the US ?  had to ask
2007-06-08 21:43:14
blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|7091
yeah I dont think we can afford another war. Our country is in soooo much debt its crazy our children's children will be paying it off. Any who I read that Russia is not in any debt at all so thats +1 for them. Russia paid off all of its debts and its a debt free country so I bet it can afford new technologies and such.
2007-06-08 21:48:40
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7120|Canberra, AUS

elstonieo wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

Havok wrote:

So what do we think is going to happen?  Another Cold War?  I don't think America is up for it to be honest.  We'd fall victim to the same ploy that we used to (for lack of a better word) defeat the Soviets, bankruptcy.
To a point, that's the tactic that Al Quaeda is trying to use on the US.
Al Quaeda thinks they are responsible for the collapse of the USSR.
They think that their war with the USSR in Afghanistan caused the economic and social collapse of the USSR.
They conveniently forget the involvement of the US in pushing the USSR to overspend on their military.
Al Quaeda seem to think they can cause the same social malaise and economic bankruptcy in the US today, as they previously think they did with the USSR.

The key difference between the USSR's collapse, and trying to make the USA collapse in the same manner is interdependency.
Too many of the major world powers are too heavily invested in the USA to allow the US economy to collapse completely.
Whether it be through trade goods, stock markets, banking, or what have you - a complete collapse of the US economy would take China, Japan, the EU, the UK, and (yes) alot of the Middle East down with it.

In short, long before the US economy collapsed - the major foreign governments and banks (Eurobank, etc) would be seriously 'cooking the books' to keep investor confidence up.  In contrast, the USSR was a very isolated economic entity when it collapsed - so noone had a vested interest in propping them up.
you seem to know an awful lot about what they think and what Euro owes the US are you a European/al quaeda political/historian living in the US ?  had to ask
What are you suggesting?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2007-06-10 00:49:59
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6994|San Diego, CA, USA
Hmm...joint missle defense is just a way for Russian scientists to get ahold of our technology.  I also like how Putin suggested to put in into countries that are not even in his control of.


We'll see next March if Putin will actually step down when his term is over as President.  Unlike in the United States were the rich have influence over their governemnt, the rich in Russia actually own their government.
2007-06-10 05:00:06
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7027|SE London

Interesting play by Putin. I reckon it's a very smart move.

 

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