CommieChipmunk
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+488|7016|Portland, OR, USA
This may be the sleepies talking considering it's 1:19 in the morning.. but I'm guna go for it anyway because it's been on my mind for a while.

So earlier this week in English class, we were talking about morality, and where you find your moral compass.  Many argued that it comes from your parents/faith/religion... and to some extent, I think that that's probably true.  But I think that there comes a point in your life (or at least there should be) where you realize that you decide right from wrong.  I mean, you could go throughout your life seeking guidance from an old book or parents, and honestly, you'd probably turn out okay; but it's not you.

I think that parents can greatly sway their children in one direction or the other (right vs left, democrat vs republican).  I don't know too many kids who have democratic parents and end up conservative republicans (and visa versa), though I'm sure it happens.  So that's kind of decided for you.

I guess the point of this thread would be to tell your story.  Why do you think you believe in the things you believe in.  Don't be too vague or general.

So, I was pretty much raised in the middle- my mom a democrat and dad a republican.  They are moderate and find themselves agreeing on most issues, so it's not like I had a huge liberal influence on one side and conservative on the other.  They kind of left it up to me to determine what I believe in, they introduced me to Christianity and I played with it for a while, but we're not huge on religion so that kind of faded.  As a younger kid, I wanted to grow up and fly for the Air Force.  To this day, I don't know if it was because I wanted to "serve my country" or if it was because those planes would be so damn fun to fly.  However, in the sixth grade, I saw a program on the Discovery Channel which shied (is that a word?) me away from a life in the military.  I remember it was one of those shows where they follow soldiers out on a training mission (I don't know if it was a training mission but I had assumed so) and I don't remember much else, except for this one part.  The soldiers found a woman who had somehow been spying on them and took her out, away from the camera.  Then, you heard a gunshot.  The soldiers went on as if nothing happened.
     Being a little kid (probably 5th or 6th grade), I was horrified that humans could kill another person so nonchalantly and go on like it was part of a daily routine.  I could not find a way to morally justify ending that individuals life, I got lost in thinking about who she could have been and everything that lead up to her getting shot.  It seemed so pointless.. she could have had a family.  I guess from there I turned away from the whole nationalistic propaganda garbage and started leaning further and further left.  I've had history teachers who have bumped me back and forth, but I think this year I've found a decent equilibrium that works for me...

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enough about me, your turn, where did your convictions come from, what makes you liberal/conservative... democratic/republican.

Hopefully this will be an interesting topic, I'd like to see how some of you found your political stance.
Harmor
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+605|6994|San Diego, CA, USA
Your post reminds me this scene in the Matrix:

https://www.cyberpunkreview.com/images/matrix26.jpg
velocitychaos
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+26|6942|Brisbane Australia

Harmor wrote:

Your post reminds me this scene in the Matrix:

http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/images/matrix26.jpg
yah
BVC
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I grew up in a farming town with parents who were nominally christian; they believed in god but didn't go to church except for weddings and funerals.  So, early on thats where my morals came from.  As I got older I abandoned christianity in favour of atheism, and largely continued as I was...I haven't had a big moral quandry at all, though I did gradually come to the conclusion that the "golden rule" is a fairly practical way of deciding whats right and wrong if you wish to function in society.  I did a little research (google ) on it recently, and found the golden rule is common across practically all religions.

I do think a sense of morality has to come from somewhere though, and that society and one's experiences guide moral development to a degree.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
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I lasted about 14 years with my parents influencing my moral values. 2 of those years involved church.


I still haven't told my father I've abandoned many of his beliefs and values because he'd throw me out of the house. Very proud, stubborn and headstrong... All the males in my family.

Not going to share how my moral compass works because it's disturbing. Not going to share how I developed it either because that too is rather a long story and a little disturbing.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Fen321
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Does morality exist in a location outside the human psyche? Even then this question is a bit misleading for there is no inside or outside to ones psyche, since we are our psyche. So, ultimately one's moral compass is merely a replication of those around you moral compass.

When applying all of this to political stances it is easy to see that a lot of our bearings is taught to us via indoctrinization in school and at home. For you see human beings are not born with the capacity to function within political systems. They have to be taught .... So this is one of the reasons why I like to laugh at those who think our plight is so wary that we are incapable of stopping the suicide which we are attempting to achieve as a society.

oh well -- it all seems irrelevant when it comes down to it....just live life ;p
apollo_fi
The Flying Kalakukko.
+94|6976|The lunar module
My morels, they grow in the forest.

Mmm... morels.

On a serious note, morality is something that's picked up from the behaviour patterns of your mom & dad (or whoever it is that's around you when you're under 7 years old). Those patterns are what you perceive as 'your own' viewpoints in later life.
Smithereener
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+138|6762|California
For the most part, my family has barely ever gone to church. I can honestly only remember going to one church for two months and that was it. Growing up without going to church has prevented me from getting into the whole religion thing. Part of the reason I have relatively strong morals is through my parents. They taught me right and wrong, sometimes the hard way. I've been told that I was very polite, another outcome of my parents emphasizing respect towards everyone. My parents, being immigrants, generally vote Democrat, but don't influence my political views because they barely talk about politics in the house anyway. As a result, I'm still unsure about my place on the political spectrum. But for the most part, I'm somewhat moderate, being in the middle.

I think too much and despise almost all forms of killing, and this is probably the reason I could never join the armed forces. I can't help but imagine what's going on in peoples' heads, whether or not they have a family, what would a family's reaction be if I killed someone, etc.

I believe in the things I believe to be right.
CommieChipmunk
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+488|7016|Portland, OR, USA

Flecco wrote:

I lasted about 14 years with my parents influencing my moral values. 2 of those years involved church.


I still haven't told my father I've abandoned many of his beliefs and values because he'd throw me out of the house. Very proud, stubborn and headstrong... All the males in my family.

Not going to share how my moral compass works because it's disturbing. Not going to share how I developed it either because that too is rather a long story and a little disturbing.
lol... interesting..
Deadmonkiefart
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CommieChipmunk wrote:

Flecco wrote:

I lasted about 14 years with my parents influencing my moral values. 2 of those years involved church.


I still haven't told my father I've abandoned many of his beliefs and values because he'd throw me out of the house. Very proud, stubborn and headstrong... All the males in my family.

Not going to share how my moral compass works because it's disturbing. Not going to share how I developed it either because that too is rather a long story and a little disturbing.
lol... interesting..
Considering he didn't go into any detail, how could you call that interesting?  It sounds like nonsense to me...
Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
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CommieChipmunk wrote:

I guess the point of this thread would be to tell your story.  Why do you think you believe in the things you believe in.  Don't be too vague or general.
Well, politically I don't really know where I stand...I am at a loss in that part of my personality. I guess I feel that I believe in defeating terrorism and communism/socialism but then again, how many innocent people do we have to kill to accomplish this? How many corrupt politicians and men in power will there be deciding what they want to be done before the killing stops?

I have no religion. I belive in God and creationism, but I don't understand either very well. I just accept it to be the truth. It makes me feel better about myself and my life knowing/thinking that there is a God who justly wants us to live with dignity and morality and to love one another.

I am a man that was not raised with a religion that my parents where teached. My father decided that when I get to a proper age, I, and ONLY I should choose my religion. Thus far I have not specifically picked one other then the truth I hold to be true, and that is, there is a GOD. I do not follow any set rules from any religion, I just have faith, and belief in God.
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