JahManRed
wank
+646|7074|IRELAND

The US military has embarked on a new and risky strategy in Iraq by arming Sunni insurgents in the hope that they will tackle the extremist al-Qaida in Iraq.
The US high command this month gave permission to its officers on the ground to negotiate arms deals with local leaders. Arms, ammunition, body armour and other equipment, as well as cash, pick-up trucks and fuel, have already been handed over in return for promises to turn on al-Qaida and not attack US troops.

The US military in Baghdad is trying to portray the move as arming disenchanted Sunnis who are rising up in their neighbourhoods against their former allies, al-Qaida and its foreign fighters. But the reality on the ground is more complex, with little sign that the US will be able to control the weapons once they are handed over. The danger is that the insurgents could use these weapons against American troops or in the civil conflict against Shia Muslims. Similar efforts by the US in other wars have backfired, the most spectacular being the arming of guerrillas against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

The Pentagon insisted the latest strategy was not recognition that president George Bush's "surge" policy had failed. All of the extra 30,000 US troops ordered by Mr Bush in January to Baghdad and Anbar province, one of the centres of the violence, had only just been fully deployed and it was too early to judge it.

Initial successes of the surge in pacifying parts of Baghdad have now been reversed, with the death toll among US troops and Iraqi civilians last month among the highest since the 2003 invasion.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2100698,00.html

Bad or Good Idea? Personally I think its an appalling Idea. Arming one side of a waring faction which could quite easily turn on the hand that feeds it. These weapons will harm coalition solders, sooner or later. These Sunni insurgents are as brutal and blood thirsty as al-Qaida and have been active in ethnically cleansing parts of Iraqi.
The US are repeating the same mistakes it made in Afghanistan.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7027|SE London

Haven't they learnt that this sort of shit only makes things worse?
JahManRed
wank
+646|7074|IRELAND

I think this is the last throw of the dice as such. It is an admission that the troop surge has failed. The coalition will end up pulling out leaving the population armed to the teeth ready to fight a civil war. IMO this move is a way of helping the side the US wants to win, win...........with no thought of the brutal effect these weapons will have.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,993|7078|949

It always works!  The enemy of my enemy is my friend, duh!

It worked in Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iran/Iraq War, South and Central America, etc.

US Foreign Policy -arming our future enemy one faction at a time!
Stubbee
Religions Hate Facts, Questions and Doubts
+223|7189|Reality

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

It always works!  The enemy of my enemy is my friend, duh!

It worked in Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iran/Iraq War, South and Central America, etc.

US Foreign Policy -arming our future enemy one faction at a time!
The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7182|Salt Lake City

Do they make this a SOP in officers school?
JahManRed
wank
+646|7074|IRELAND

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Do they make this a SOP in officers school?
Seams they should. The people making the decision about who gets what are the army commanders on the ground, so its down to them, its not even being supervised by the government in any way, so I guess they can blame it on the commanders when the shit starts to hit the fan.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7067|London, England
Doesn't matter whether it's bad or good. This means an increase in demand for American arms. Which means more $$$ - even if these Sunni's are somehow getting them for free, someone has got to foot the bill.
CameronPoe
Member
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https://www.iranian.com/Satire/Cartoon/2005/January/Images/osama.jpg
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6933|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)
Wow if this is true then.....
(Starts looking for passport and plane ticket to Europe)
JahManRed
wank
+646|7074|IRELAND

Deafening Silence from the "love the war" crowd.

nytimes wrote:

critics of the strategy, including some American officers, say it could amount to the Americans’ arming both sides in a future civil war. The United States has spent more than $15 billion in building up Iraq’s army and police force, whose manpower of 350,000 is heavily Shiite. With an American troop drawdown increasingly likely in the next year, and little sign of a political accommodation between Shiite and Sunni politicians in Baghdad, the critics say, there is a risk that any weapons given to Sunni groups will eventually be used against Shiites. There is also the possibility the weapons could be used against the Americans themselves.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/world … 1iraq.html

Looks like the US has armed and trained both sides for the future civil war.

Is it going to be like a battle Royal Pay per View on fox?
tthf
Member 5307
+210|7204|06-01

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

It always works!  The enemy of my enemy is my friend, duh!

It worked in Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iran/Iraq War, South and Central America, etc.

US Foreign Policy -arming our future enemy one faction at a time!
its a cash flow thing for the defence contractors and their supporters, sell them arms so that when you want to take them out later, bigger better weapons can to be sold!
mega profit ftw!
PureFodder
Member
+225|6732
It just makes it easier for the CIA.

In 10 years time they'll know exactly who the terrorists and exactly what they're armed with.
JahManRed
wank
+646|7074|IRELAND

PureFodder wrote:

It just makes it easier for the CIA.

In 10 years time they'll know exactly who the terrorists and exactly what they're armed with.
Yeah they can get the info from the ballistics of the bullets when they kill the American solders with them. Then they can trace back that the M16 was given to Akbar's cousin who then sold it to a street trader, who then sold it to a Jihadist...........How useful is that!!!   
BVC
Member
+325|7142
*facepalm*
JahManRed
wank
+646|7074|IRELAND

Pubic wrote:

*facepalm*
??
superfly_cox
soup fly mod
+717|7227

New Flash!!

In a similar development the Bush administration has announced their intention to distribute 9mm handguns to all public school students so as to prevent future school shootings.  Named the "Nines for Teens" program, it is being hailed as a "breakthrough in the reduction of school violence" by Bush's spokesman.
MECtallica
Member
+73|6950|jalalabad

superfly_cox wrote:

New Flash!!

In a similar development the Bush administration has announced their intention to distribute 9mm handguns to all public school students so as to prevent future school shootings.  Named the "Nines for Teens" program, it is being hailed as a "breakthrough in the reduction of school violence" by Bush's spokesman.
wait is this the D&ST forum or junk drawer?

Last edited by MECtallica (2007-06-13 08:53:35)

CC-Marley
Member
+407|7275
Arming the Mujahideen was not the mistake in Afghanistan. The mistake was cutting ties and aid after the Soviets left.
Jepeto87
Member
+38|7131|Dublin
Marley is right about the Mujahideen but the last thing Iraq needs is more guns!
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7047|132 and Bush

Sunnis are turning against the Al queda elements in Iraq. My guess this would be the first steps in a September withdrawal. This is not new news http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anbar_Salvation_Council . They have been very successful in Al Anbar. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/507401/am … new_allie/
Xbone Stormsurgezz
JahManRed
wank
+646|7074|IRELAND

CC-Marley wrote:

Arming the Mujahideen was not the mistake in Afghanistan. The mistake was cutting ties and aid after the Soviets left.
Yeah, maybe they then they would have flown the planes into the Kremlin instead. 
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7047|132 and Bush


This is another group of "Neighborhood watchers". They call themselves members of the 1920 Revolution Brigade.
I found this information on embedded blogger Bill Roggio's site.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
topal63
. . .
+533|7164
Good idea... less crap to bring back home - when we eventuually leave. We'll just buy/make new better arms. Seems like we're sending a message - this mess we helped make - "... well it's yours now, and here are some weapons to fight the 'good fight' with, bye-bye now."
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|6996|CH/BR - in UK

One of my friends will be very pleased to hear this. Every time he sees someone get involved in another countries politics he cringes and demands they simply supply both sides equally and let them fight it out...
I think this will just make the situation worse, however.

-konfusion

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