BF2S Forums Rudy Giuliani - Rot In Hell

Yes Rudi is playing the terrorist card way to hard, but that is what he thinks is going to get him into office (Won't happen unless he ends up next to Clinton on the ballot and no independents run).  And don't act surprised that they are appealing to outside sources for funding, I grantee that every campaign will include money from over seas, that is all part of the disturbing political game.  People are already wising up to Rudi's war mongering position, they will go all Dem before they repeat that mistake.

I remember reading some articles during the 2004 election that described the increasing source of campaign funding from foreign nationals and governments.  Israel was indeed one of the sources, but so was China.  From what I recall, the foreign funding is significant and growing ... so this article/letter doesn't surprise me in the least.

Personally, I think it should be banned ...


Edit:  See my post below that states that this is illegal ...

Wait ... something may have changed ...

Foreign nationals (individuals who are not citizens of the United States , except for green card holders who are lawfully admitted in the U.S. for permanent residence) are prohibited from making any contribution in connection with any election in the U.S. —federal, state or local—including a contribution to a political party. They are also prohibited from making an expenditure, including an independent expenditure, or any disbursement for an electioneering communication in connection with a federal election , or any contribution or donation of money in connection with any federal, state or local election.

http://www.campaignfinanceguide.org/guide-38.html

So, either that is not from Rudy ... or he is appealing to Israeli Americans ... or the contributions are intended for a PAC (which would then advertise for the American candidate).

Yeah you stand by Israel yet you also stand by Pakistan you f..... damn American foreign policy is gay.

I honestly can't imagine a worst case scenario for the world, than this slimy bastard being voted into office.

Arafat spoke out of both sides of his mouth - hardly a candidate for nobel peace prize.  the nobel committee really screwed up on that one.

How come nobody is burning palestinian flags nor shouting 'death to palestinians'?  Also, how come arab states who claim to support palestine never actually help fix their problem but continue to use them to their own advantages?

I see israel as defending themselves.  If Mexico or God-forbid Canadians started coming into the US and launching rocket attacks, don't you think you'd get a bit ticked off if you were an American?  Or, perhaps if you were Irish, might you get upset if someone from Scotland lobbed rockets over the water into Ireland?  Far fetched i know but hopefully you get the point.

Personally, i work with Israeli's every day.  The ones i have dealt with are some of the most educated and hard-driven individuals i have ever met.  they think of ways that things 'can' get done instead of ways it won't work.  very refreshing.  Contrast this to my arab experiences where they have continually tried to blame my tools/flows/programs for their shoddy design work.  Contrast this with their always pawning their work off onto everyone else to do for them at a price.  It makes me sick.  Always being greeted with smiles and daggers in the back as soon as you turn around.  I do not get this from israelis. 

but back on topic...yes, i think i'll vote for Rudy.

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

Arafat spoke out of both sides of his mouth - hardly a candidate for nobel peace prize.  the nobel committee really screwed up on that one.

Of course Menachem Begin was an excellent choice, wasn't he?

CameronPoe wrote:

Well what are they gonna do about state terrorists Israel?

That's your opinion, I hardly think Israel to be a terrorist state.

Then Palestine is one as well, if killing civilians is classed as terrorism then Plaestine is guilty of it as well.

Last edited by M.O.A.B (2007-06-12 10:05:32)

M.O.A.B wrote:

Then Palestine is one as well, if killing civilians is classed as terrorism then Plaestine is guilty of it as well.

Absolutely. But their are lots of differences.

The Palestinians are in no way blameless, but less blame rests with them than with the Israelis.

[CameronPoe]:  I don't see Israel building settlements in the West Bank and taking land, houses and farms off people to do it as 'defending themselves' I'm afraid. Not do I believe chopping straight through Palestinian land and farms with a ruddy great wall is 'defending themselves'. Nor do I think they were entitled to settle in Palestine to begin with - back in 1948. Chicken and egg. The Palestinian response to occupation/the birth of Israel has been misguided and woefully managed but the Israeli counter-response is state-sanctioned collective punishment.


i've been to Israel twice (once in '98 and once just a few months ago).  i've been also to west bank (well - driven through it and this was in the earlier trip).  Honestly, it looked like New jersey to me at that time - just a bunch of farms.  I'm sure if i was to go into the towns it would be different - granted.  What i did notice is that many of the areas that the Israelis have settled, the area actually improves.  I'm not convinced that this happened in the previous 1000 years with nomadic palestinians running around. 

what i have a big problem with is that instead of just sucking it up and playing along they fight.  if the palestinians would instead just focus on stopping violence educating their kids in science/math/medicine instead of the koran at islamic universities, i'm sure they would improve their lives.  Then - and here's the kicker - after a bunch of years of playing nice, improving their living conditions, i'm sure they could work out deals with government to have a two state solution.  instead, they are committed to a one state solution - ie, palestine not israel.

Cameron, i appreciate your comments it's just that i simply disagree with them.  i think you over-react a bit with the ghetto comments on the palestinian situation when in fact it is they who caused this in first place.  I have some palestinian friends who are Israeli citizens and live a great life over there.  They are educated and 'play along' i guess you could say.  they are not militant and lead very productive lives.  maybe this hits upon a good point (education level).

I believe the ones who have difficult time are from the lands that Israel took in 1967 or 1973 wars and are actually Jordanians.  So again, i pose the question, why doesn't Jordan or Lebanon take these poor people in and help out?  it would crush their infrastructures to have to care for all these indigent people.  So, they use it as a thorn in the side of Israel.  Israel is in a life-or-death battle with the rest of the middle east.  That's the way i see it.

Regarding the security wall, it's just one possible solution.  If you have tons of people moving in/out of a region that are smuggling arms and probably other things, how might you suggest you control this flow for protection sake?  Of course, we should strive to prevent the situation in first place and that's our idealistic goal , however the practical goal might be short-term safety.  If not a wall, what else? 

We face similar thing of sorts over here in US with mexico.  I'd love for all the hard working immigrants to come to our country and contribute however more often than not they become a drain on our resources and my paycheck in form of social services we pay out to these people (my taxes).  It's unfortunate they they are often lower skilled workers.  believe me i would not be complaining if they all knew c++ or could code php, etc.  as it is, they don't and come here to make a buck doing what they can.  i see their drive as good but the fact that it is unchecked is the problem.  who else might be coming across that wishes us ill will?  maybe a few terrorist cells?  mexican gangs?  the list goes on and on.  I'm not happy with my own choice of President on his handling of the border issue and it's become a hot topic over here of late.  My belief is that we should deploy some national guard troops on border to help police the area. 

for that matter (and this will not sit well with people i'm sure), i think we should make some sort of service to country encouraged for 1-2 years.  either they can help the poor (a la peace corps) or police the border, etc.  those that serve would be eligible for college loan repayment, and what not.   

One other thing that gets me is that immigrants hold too tightly onto their own languages and cultures and refuse to integrate.  This is happening quite a bit in US and i see it as fragmenting our country.  We have bi-lingual education initiatives and all that stuff.  Honestly, i feel bad that i don't know more spanish or hebrew when i visit mexico and israel.  i make an effort to learn enough words to get around.  i don't see this amount of effort in my own country though.  so, this fragmentation becomes a wedge that further divides our country so it becomes very hard to speak with anything close to one voice and get anything worthy done.

Bertster7 wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Absolutely. But their are lots of differences.

The Palestinians are in no way blameless, but less blame rests with them than with the Israelis.

Are you talking about IDF or the Israeli people themselves, I know the IDF are heavy handed at times.

Both, to begin with.

These days, solely the IDF - which is why it is state terrorism (since the IDF are a branch of the state).

Did you know the IDF was formed by an amalgamation of three organisations, two of which were classed as terrorist organisations who conducted terror attacks against the Palestinian people and the British?

Was one of them the Haganah? That sounds familiar.