hmm i've just noticed if you look at britain then look at island there's quite a large difference in the amount of oil thats used, though i suppose thats because islands got more agriculture, actually i don't know but its making me thing about it.
Have you guys heard about the coal to oil program?
http://www.glennbeck.com/2006ads/jbluctl.pdf
Unfortunately I think coal to oil produces higher CO2.
I don't know enough about it, you judge.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/ar … 13coal.htm
http://www.glennbeck.com/2006ads/jbluctl.pdf
Unfortunately I think coal to oil produces higher CO2.
I don't know enough about it, you judge.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/ar … 13coal.htm
Xbone Stormsurgezz
I was expecting more from a mod. The oil may only last another few years.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
If Bush woke up really pissed tomorrow, he might decide to wipe Cuba off the map with a nuclear strike.CruZ4dR wrote:
Because the US depends too much on petroleum, simple as that.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
This really was a silly thread. The statistics are obvious, the U.S. consumes many times the oil it can produce, and so buys oil from many nations. How this pertains to the U.S. "not being a superpower if not for oil" is beyond me.
If we ran out of oil tomorrow, you wouldn't know what to do.
What ifs are silly, we aren't going to magically run out of oil instantaneously. Someone in the Middle East isn't going to wake up in the morning and go "OH MY GOD WE JUST RAN OUT OF OIL!!1!!!1!1one!!1!".
Anyhow, the time is running out for industrial countries to start putting real money into alternative energy.
You have a fair point. Although, the usage of oil is way too high.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
I know the US is the largest user of petrolium, but I have to wonder if these statistics take into account the size of the US. How many other fully industrialized/technologized countries have a population of 300 million against which our usage can truly be compared?
If you look at china, they have a few hundred million more people than the US and still manage to keep the consumption low per person.
They do have a gigantic industry there as well. There are many more examples to use as well.
No one come close.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
I know the US is the largest user of petrolium, but I have to wonder if these statistics take into account the size of the US. How many other fully industrialized/technologized countries have a population of 300 million against which our usage can truly be compared?
USA has approx 5% of the world’s population, but uses 25% of the world’s annual energy production.
Ride a damn bicycle damit....anything.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Exactly my point...there is not another country that is as industrialized as America. We are a large country with a large population and naturally we would use more. There are already alternatives and more to come and the more I read this post, i realize that it was strictly an attack by Cruz over America....he even says he cant wait for our downfall. Pretty sad that a simple post has somebody THAT angry. Ill just write this down as another anti-american post (pretty common here on this site) posted by someone who has probably never spent a significant time in America and posted something he found on the almighty web. As we know, all information on the web is true. LOL.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
I know the US is the largest user of petrolium, but I have to wonder if these statistics take into account the size of the US. How many other fully industrialized/technologized countries have a population of 300 million against which our usage can truly be compared?
The only thing i see from that is acid rain all over Europe.Kmarion wrote:
Have you guys heard about the coal to oil program?
http://www.glennbeck.com/2006ads/jbluctl.pdf
http://i18.tinypic.com/4lho206.png
Unfortunately I think coal to oil produces higher CO2.
I don't know enough about it, you judge.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/ar … 13coal.htm
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Your "we naturally use more" arguments fails, US oil consumption is obscenely disproportionate in relation to the size of your population.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Exactly my point...there is not another country that is as industrialized as America. We are a large country with a large population and naturally we would use more. There are already alternatives and more to come and the more I read this post, i realize that it was strictly an attack by Cruz over America....he even says he cant wait for our downfall. Pretty sad that a simple post has somebody THAT angry. Ill just write this down as another anti-american post (pretty common here on this site) posted by someone who has probably never spent a significant time in America and posted something he found on the almighty web. As we know, all information on the web is true. LOL.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
I know the US is the largest user of petrolium, but I have to wonder if these statistics take into account the size of the US. How many other fully industrialized/technologized countries have a population of 300 million against which our usage can truly be compared?
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Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
My source is reliable.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Exactly my point...there is not another country that is as industrialized as America. We are a large country with a large population and naturally we would use more. There are already alternatives and more to come and the more I read this post, i realize that it was strictly an attack by Cruz over America....he even says he cant wait for our downfall. Pretty sad that a simple post has somebody THAT angry. Ill just write this down as another anti-american post (pretty common here on this site) posted by someone who has probably never spent a significant time in America and posted something he found on the almighty web. As we know, all information on the web is true. LOL.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
I know the US is the largest user of petrolium, but I have to wonder if these statistics take into account the size of the US. How many other fully industrialized/technologized countries have a population of 300 million against which our usage can truly be compared?
I've also lived in USA for a significant time.
The topic itself is objective, so my personal opinion shouldn't matter for that sake.
You feel free to discuss the actual topic or go ahead with your "anti-american post" list.
You still haven't answered my damn question.CruZ4dR wrote:
Because the US depends too much on petroleum, simple as that.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
This really was a silly thread. The statistics are obvious, the U.S. consumes many times the oil it can produce, and so buys oil from many nations. How this pertains to the U.S. "not being a superpower if not for oil" is beyond me.CruZ4dR wrote:
I didn't create this topic to take a swing at the US, I merely state facts.
Now I did post this in D&ST.
I was more interested to discuss future investments in alternative resources.
Also to display the statistics as well.
If we ran out of oil tomorrow, you wouldn't know what to do.
Stop acting like if there's no more oil, only the US would fall. Every nation that uses a significant amount of oil would become crippled, not just the US.
He's got a great point. The fuel that the U.S. is consuming, is probably the same fuel in Jets that bombed the fuck out of Afghanistan until they were shitting tiffany cufflinks.Parker wrote:
you think you are the first to realize this?
you arent, plenty of people are trying to find solutions as we speak.
"superpower", like we arent.......we set the trends the world follows, and are the ones that saves everyones asses when they get into shit.
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
In comparison, some countries would fall and maybe snap a leg or something, but the US would break their neck.acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
You still haven't answered my damn question.CruZ4dR wrote:
Because the US depends too much on petroleum, simple as that.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
This really was a silly thread. The statistics are obvious, the U.S. consumes many times the oil it can produce, and so buys oil from many nations. How this pertains to the U.S. "not being a superpower if not for oil" is beyond me.
If we ran out of oil tomorrow, you wouldn't know what to do.
Stop acting like if there's no more oil, only the US would fall. Every nation that uses a significant amount of oil would become crippled, not just the US.
Are you referring to this question?acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
What will you do when the oil is gone?
When the oil is gone, my country would simply have nothing left to sell.
Here in Norway we make pretty large amounts of our energy on water.
No major problems here though.
Norway is also strategically placed by the North Sea which has reputation for extreme weather. Offshore wind farms would be a realistic viable solution to produce electricity. The Dutch, Danes and Brits have already started.CruZ4dR wrote:
In comparison, some countries would fall and maybe snap a leg or something, but the US would break their neck.acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
You still haven't answered my damn question.CruZ4dR wrote:
Because the US depends too much on petroleum, simple as that.
If we ran out of oil tomorrow, you wouldn't know what to do.
Stop acting like if there's no more oil, only the US would fall. Every nation that uses a significant amount of oil would become crippled, not just the US.Are you referring to this question?acEofspadEs6313 wrote:
What will you do when the oil is gone?
When the oil is gone, my country would simply have nothing left to sell.
Here in Norway we make pretty large amounts of our energy on water.
No major problems here though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horns_Rev
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OWEZ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroby_Sands_wind_farm
Norway wouldn't be overly worried about its future energy supplies.
Britain's strategic position off the Atlantic means is receives 50% of the westerly prevailing winds and hence accounts for the offshore wind farms the UK government is pursuing as part of it's green energy strategy.
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Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
You're still missing the point. Yes, other 3rd world countries have substantially higher populations, and we may only be a small percentage of the worlds population, but show me one country that is as industrialized/technologized as the US, has been for the entire duration of the industrial period, and as a single country has the same population as we.m3thod wrote:
No one come close.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
I know the US is the largest user of petrolium, but I have to wonder if these statistics take into account the size of the US. How many other fully industrialized/technologized countries have a population of 300 million against which our usage can truly be compared?
USA has approx 5% of the world’s population, but uses 25% of the world’s annual energy production.
Ride a damn bicycle damit....anything.
Just doing a quick Google search I added the populations of the UK, Germany, France, and Italy, Switzerland, Ireland, Belgium, and Norway and all these countries populations combined still come up ~10-12 million short of the US population.
And as a side note, my car has a small 4-cylinder engine and gets good mileage. I also live fairly close to where I work, and when weather permits, I do bike to work 2-3 days a week.
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In response to post #58, I forgot to quote
I will because the things you have said here are beyond what your topic started out to be and it quickly became obvious what your true motive is. Now you are telling me to discuss the topic???????????. Ill move on because its obvious that you do not like America, that you are generalizing America and its people (you even say we are ignorant...etc) and you call for our "downfall", you are even eager for it. So based on what YOU have said, yes this is an anti-American post. Of course there are valid points but arguments for or against are all over the place and can go either way. Someone can argue all day why we use that oil, where it comes from and we could valid points but it is very obvious that you wont listen. You have tunnel vision, blinders on that wont let you see anything else and its obvious by your comments
Do we use too much oil, ill agree with that. Do we drive cars that aren't efficient (hummers, etc.)..yes we do. Are we developing alternative cars, fuels, etc...yes we are. Are we doing anything to curb our usage and thinking about the future, yes we are. Do we have strict emission laws unlike most countries, yes we do. Do all Americans guzzle gas...no. Personally, my car usage is very minimal compared to many people I know. I recently sold a car that was 10 years old and only had 60,000 miles on it. So don't generalize and convict all Americans and don't forget that there are things happening to change for the future even as we speak. Will it happen? who knows, but a lot of Americans are indeed concerned about it and doing something about it. Americans aren't as dumb as you think.
I will because the things you have said here are beyond what your topic started out to be and it quickly became obvious what your true motive is. Now you are telling me to discuss the topic???????????. Ill move on because its obvious that you do not like America, that you are generalizing America and its people (you even say we are ignorant...etc) and you call for our "downfall", you are even eager for it. So based on what YOU have said, yes this is an anti-American post. Of course there are valid points but arguments for or against are all over the place and can go either way. Someone can argue all day why we use that oil, where it comes from and we could valid points but it is very obvious that you wont listen. You have tunnel vision, blinders on that wont let you see anything else and its obvious by your comments
Do we use too much oil, ill agree with that. Do we drive cars that aren't efficient (hummers, etc.)..yes we do. Are we developing alternative cars, fuels, etc...yes we are. Are we doing anything to curb our usage and thinking about the future, yes we are. Do we have strict emission laws unlike most countries, yes we do. Do all Americans guzzle gas...no. Personally, my car usage is very minimal compared to many people I know. I recently sold a car that was 10 years old and only had 60,000 miles on it. So don't generalize and convict all Americans and don't forget that there are things happening to change for the future even as we speak. Will it happen? who knows, but a lot of Americans are indeed concerned about it and doing something about it. Americans aren't as dumb as you think.
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Wow, I actually took the time to read through this whole post...
And, there's mainly 1 thing I'd like to add:
Furthermore, I agree with the people that are saying that the US is consuming a reasonable amount of oil, because they have the largest fully industrialized population in the world.
EDIT: For some reason I think you're going to add about some country like Japan having so much less fuel consumption that us, but also being modern. There's also an obvious answer to that as well. Japan has a much smaller population, and a much newer industry and factories, due to WWII. Most if not all of you should know what happened during WWII in Japan...
And, there's mainly 1 thing I'd like to add:
You are 100% entirely WRONG! It's quite quite obvious that you have never been to China, because more than 75% of the country is NOT industrialized and entirely agricultural. The only part of the China that has been modernized is the coastal region, mostly around Shanghai and Bejing, but most extensively in the Shanghai region (Not counting Hong Kong nor Taiwan). In these regions it wouldn't feel like you were in a 3rd world country. In the rest of China however, the people would not even know what a car is, and if they do they probably have never seen one in person. I traveled through central China and all the way to Tibet with a few friends, and the fastest mode of transport we could find most of the way was by horse. We slept outdoors since there are no hotels or modern conventional buildings. Everything was made by hand of brick, wood, or straw.CruZ4dR wrote:
If you look at china, they have a few hundred million more people than the US and still manage to keep the consumption low per person.
They do have a gigantic industry there as well. There are many more examples to use as well.
Furthermore, I agree with the people that are saying that the US is consuming a reasonable amount of oil, because they have the largest fully industrialized population in the world.
EDIT: For some reason I think you're going to add about some country like Japan having so much less fuel consumption that us, but also being modern. There's also an obvious answer to that as well. Japan has a much smaller population, and a much newer industry and factories, due to WWII. Most if not all of you should know what happened during WWII in Japan...
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Good point and there is a post here showing how industrialized we are:Tattters wrote:
Wow, I actually took the time to read through this whole post...
And, there's mainly 1 thing I'd like to add:You are 100% entirely WRONG! It's quite quite obvious that you have never been to China, because more than 75% of the country is NOT industrialized and entirely agricultural. The only part of the China that has been modernized is the coastal region, mostly around Shanghai and Bejing, but most extensively in the Shanghai region (Not counting Hong Kong nor Taiwan). In these regions it wouldn't feel like you were in a 3rd world country. In the rest of China however, the people would not even know what a car is, and if they do they probably have never seen one in person. I traveled through central China and all the way to Tibet with a few friends, and the fastest mode of transport we could find most of the way was by horse. We slept outdoors since there are no hotels or modern conventional buildings. Everything was made by hand of brick, wood, or straw.CruZ4dR wrote:
If you look at china, they have a few hundred million more people than the US and still manage to keep the consumption low per person.
They do have a gigantic industry there as well. There are many more examples to use as well.
Furthermore, I agree with the people that are saying that the US is consuming a reasonable amount of oil, because they have the largest fully industrialized population in the world.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=76979
Now, this would be a very good reason our consumption is higher than most...take one look at that link.
turn viaducts in skateparksjsnipy wrote:
two words: Unicycle interstateCruZ4dR wrote:
What will you do when the oil is gone?
CruZ4dr, first why the heck are you using "1337" speak? Second your arguments and orginal post are not objective, have extremely limited sources, your bias bleeds across all of your post, you try to sound educated and better then other people but you just come off as conceited and arrogant.
Proved Oil reserves at the end of 2006 means that these are the tapped oil wells that they have been able to go in and estimate the amount of oil left in them. There are still places were man has yet to be able to drill and are not allowed to disturb nature, such as Alaska, but should there be an economic or other such crisis you better believe that the oil will be drilled. Yes, people say that there are the tree huggers but since that oil is not in demand then the government doesn't stomp on feet. If the oil is needed someone's toes are going to hurt at the end of the day, and that oil is coming out of the ground.
Second, you can not consider the United States a superpower but it still is. Sure it might not last long as the sole superpower and will probably be overshadowed by China in roughly a decade, give or take, but it will still hold sway and power over the world. The United States has enough manufactoring power, population, workforce, and money that it can take a pretty big hit and still survive. Evidence of that is when the EU decided to make a run on the dollar a while ago, for a week the future of the dollar looked like it wasn't going to last very long as a powerful international denomination, but it still is.
Also the last time I checked the worst case secenario is that oil will run out in 50 years. Thats not a few years, its not a few decades, its 5 decades. Not to mention the fact that the United States is researching alternate fuels and power supplies. Wind, water, sun are the three largest natural choices being implimented now in the United States. Not to mention fuel cells, nuclear power, etc etc.
I'm going to work out but I'll be back.
Proved Oil reserves at the end of 2006 means that these are the tapped oil wells that they have been able to go in and estimate the amount of oil left in them. There are still places were man has yet to be able to drill and are not allowed to disturb nature, such as Alaska, but should there be an economic or other such crisis you better believe that the oil will be drilled. Yes, people say that there are the tree huggers but since that oil is not in demand then the government doesn't stomp on feet. If the oil is needed someone's toes are going to hurt at the end of the day, and that oil is coming out of the ground.
Second, you can not consider the United States a superpower but it still is. Sure it might not last long as the sole superpower and will probably be overshadowed by China in roughly a decade, give or take, but it will still hold sway and power over the world. The United States has enough manufactoring power, population, workforce, and money that it can take a pretty big hit and still survive. Evidence of that is when the EU decided to make a run on the dollar a while ago, for a week the future of the dollar looked like it wasn't going to last very long as a powerful international denomination, but it still is.
Also the last time I checked the worst case secenario is that oil will run out in 50 years. Thats not a few years, its not a few decades, its 5 decades. Not to mention the fact that the United States is researching alternate fuels and power supplies. Wind, water, sun are the three largest natural choices being implimented now in the United States. Not to mention fuel cells, nuclear power, etc etc.
I'm going to work out but I'll be back.
Oh that's right, try to attack my position by pointing out how my forum status affects my ability to point out the extreme gaps in your argument. Good call, very relevant.CruZ4dR wrote:
I was expecting more from a mod. The oil may only last another few years.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
If Bush woke up really pissed tomorrow, he might decide to wipe Cuba off the map with a nuclear strike.CruZ4dR wrote:
Because the US depends too much on petroleum, simple as that.
If we ran out of oil tomorrow, you wouldn't know what to do.
What ifs are silly, we aren't going to magically run out of oil instantaneously. Someone in the Middle East isn't going to wake up in the morning and go "OH MY GOD WE JUST RAN OUT OF OIL!!1!!!1!1one!!1!".
Anyhow, the time is running out for industrial countries to start putting real money into alternative energy.
Care to site any reliable source about how much oil is still in the Earth or would you rather expect us to believe numbers pulled out of a hat?
#1) Proved by whom?CruZ4dR wrote:
If you put your reading glasses on and stare at the 1st pic a couple of seconds, you'll see some letters emerge from the white background.usmarine2005 wrote:
Oh...CruZ4dR wrote:
I don't see your questions.
Not that they are relevant to the matter of this topic.
Asking if the map represents strategic oil reserves, undrilled oil in Alaska and other areas, and the amount of oil Canada has.
But I guess that is not relevant.
They say "proved reserves at end of 2006". Now what more do you need?
If you can't prove you have any more oil, then how can we count in an additional unknown amount of oil?
#2) I can prove we have more oil if you can tell me if this map includes strategic oil reserves or not
As oil starts to run out, the prices will go higher. As it finishes and you have to start drilling in frigging Alaska/Antartica/Uzbekistan that's when it becomes even more expensive. You don't want to reach that point. Here's hoping in 50 years time we do find something else. Odds are nuclear war will happen within those 50 so there you go.
I love this! DAMN STRAIGHT we're a superpower. We do the research. We have the inventions. We lead the world. And you're all jealous. That's why we're not wasting our time picking on your puny little countries. USA is the best. Period.Parker wrote:
you think you are the first to realize this?
you arent, plenty of people are trying to find solutions as we speak.
"superpower", like we arent.......we set the trends the world follows, and are the ones that saves everyones asses when they get into shit.
I'm not expecting you to believe everything you read. Criticism is good. My source is NA24.no, but I'll bet you don't speak norwegian.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Oh that's right, try to attack my position by pointing out how my forum status affects my ability to point out the extreme gaps in your argument. Good call, very relevant.CruZ4dR wrote:
I was expecting more from a mod. The oil may only last another few years.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
If Bush woke up really pissed tomorrow, he might decide to wipe Cuba off the map with a nuclear strike.
What ifs are silly, we aren't going to magically run out of oil instantaneously. Someone in the Middle East isn't going to wake up in the morning and go "OH MY GOD WE JUST RAN OUT OF OIL!!1!!!1!1one!!1!".
Anyhow, the time is running out for industrial countries to start putting real money into alternative energy.
Care to site any reliable source about how much oil is still in the Earth or would you rather expect us to believe numbers pulled out of a hat?
As for you others that have posted over, I'm not gonna respond now. I simply have better things to do.
If you want to flame me when I'm not here then go ahead. I'm sorry that some people derail a serious topic with their irrelevant matters.
If you'll excuse me I have to go study for my last exam this year which is on friday.
Cheers
And to go along with it...this post and graphic:rdx-fx wrote:
What is your favorite color?JahManRed wrote:
What is this some kind of cryptic question time?usmarine2005 wrote:
What is your quest?
What is the average land speed of an unladen swallow?
What is the answer?
</grin>
Black,
Not to seek the holy grail, that's for sure
African or European? (nevermind, they're the same thing)
42, of course
To the OP (and on topic);
One, the first two graphs are showing 'apples and oranges'. A more useful pair of graphics would've shown "domestic reserves compared to domestic consumption". Doesn't change the fact that we're too dependent on foreign oil from unstable regions in any case, just makes for a more useful graphic.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=76979
I found it hilarious that it said "CONFIDENTIAL" in the bottom right corner on the last page of that PDF. Nothing like sticking that on the internet to protect it from people who would otherwise see it, LOLKmarion wrote:
Have you guys heard about the coal to oil program?
http://www.glennbeck.com/2006ads/jbluctl.pdf
http://i18.tinypic.com/4lho206.png
Unfortunately I think coal to oil produces higher CO2.
I don't know enough about it, you judge.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/ar … 13coal.htm