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2007-06-15 06:39:22
[AH1z]PJ
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ok I have the EVGA 8800 GTS superclocked version and Im trying to figure out how bad of a bottleneck my CPU really is

my CPU is AMD 4000+ (never overclocked)

so basicly what I am looking for is a person with the same card but better cpu

I have 2gb of ram btw


ok heres what I want you to do:

download this demo below, its around 370mb

http://www.gamershell.com/download_11162.shtml


max it out, set resolution to 1280x960, set AA to 8x and max everything else

I want to see what frame rates you are getting in this game with your system, I chose this game coz I think it needs alot of CPU power since my CPU usage is 100% while playing this game, I want someone to help me see if its my cpu thats making me lag

so basicly, play the demo on max and tell me what ur lowest and highest FPS is, u wont only enjoy the demo but ull feel better coz u helped me out :p

and ull get some karma

heres a screenshot from the demo, maxed out on my pc, looks beautifull, lowest FPS I get is around 20, and highest is around 40fps, outside, frames jump up when im inside of course but this is an older game and I have one of the newer GPUs so I expected it to run better, Im thinking its my CPU but well see

thanks

btw add me to xfire if you want to play the demo online

user name is predragt4

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Last edited by [AH1z]PJ (2007-06-15 06:49:04)

2007-06-15 06:43:10
Slayer
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pf, all this bottlenecking stuff nowadays! I run a AMD64 4000+ S.939 with 2x 8800Ultra Sli, yet I havent seen a main diffrence to my C2D 6800EE with 2x 8800GTX...
2007-06-15 06:45:49
[AH1z]PJ
Member
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Sl4y3r wrote:

pf, all this bottlenecking stuff nowadays! I run a AMD64 4000+ S.939 with 2x 8800Ultra Sli, yet I havent seen a main diffrence to my C2D 6800EE with 2x 8800GTX...
wait you are saying that ur games arent playing any better with 8800 ultra in sli?

I mean I cant play my older games maxed out with one of the newest cards, WTF? how am I supposed to play crisis, if its not my CPU then screw nvidia, I have to wait for G90 in order to be able to play todays games on max with no lag
2007-06-15 06:47:39
Fredrik
i hate you all
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Hm, i will try tomorrow, i just have my labtop right now. But i have the 640mb 8800gts version unclocked with core duo 2.16Ghz or something...
2007-06-15 06:48:33
[AH1z]PJ
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Fredrik wrote:

Hm, i will try tomorrow, i just have my labtop right now. But i have the 640mb 8800gts version unclocked with core duo 2.16Ghz or something...
alright sweet thanks, ur card has double the video ram which means alot but well see
2007-06-15 06:49:38
Slayer
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wait

Sl4y3r wrote:

Look, compare those systems I´ve got and then tell me something about bottlenecking.

Intel C2d 6800EE, 4096 MB Corsair TwinMX DDR2-1000, 2x8800GTX ->135-150 fps

AMD64 4000+, 4096 MB Corsair TwinMX Cl2, 2x8800Ultra -> 130-140 fps

AMD64 4000+, 2048MB Corsair TwinMX Cl2, 1x7900GTX ->100-115 fps

AMD64 3200+, 4096 Kingston Cl2-5, 1x7900GS ->80-90 fps

sidenote: reso is 1600x1200, the upper two systems are maxxed completely (driver settings, not ingame)
Some games, including the BF2 and 2142 series (of course), have some driver issues with Nvidia 78**, 79**, 88** cards. I recommend you create some profiles for the games with the Nvidia tool, and you´ll see that your fps increase a lot!!!
2007-06-15 06:54:04
[AH1z]PJ
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Sl4y3r wrote:

wait

Sl4y3r wrote:

Look, compare those systems I´ve got and then tell me something about bottlenecking.

Intel C2d 6800EE, 4096 MB Corsair TwinMX DDR2-1000, 2x8800GTX ->135-150 fps

AMD64 4000+, 4096 MB Corsair TwinMX Cl2, 2x8800Ultra -> 130-140 fps

sidenote: reso is 1600x1200, the upper two systems are maxxed completely (driver settings, not ingame)
Some games, including the BF2 and 2142 series (of course), have some driver issues with Nvidia 78**, 79**, 88** cards. I recommend you create some profiles for the games with the Nvidia tool, and you´ll see that your fps increase a lot!!!
hmm thats only like 5-10 fps more, im not really into intel CPUs, thats a dual core right?


I had FX60 in plans since its really cheap now and thats the best I can get without changing my mobo

btw what do you mean create profiles, how do i do that?
2007-06-15 06:55:27
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7052|SE London

Bottleneck this, bottleneck that....

It all depends what the CPU and GPU are doing. There is lots of work that can be done GPU side with no real CPU load (AA, AF etc.).

I have a 8800GTS and can play all the modern games I've tried on high settings with good frame rates very easily (FEAR, Supreme Commander, Medieval 2, Stalker, World in Conflict).

I couldn't run stuff at quite such high settings (resolution and effects) before I upgraded my CPU from a 3700+ to an E6300. I did always enable 16xQ AA and 16x AF on those games that didn't run perfectly at higher settings.
2007-06-15 07:04:34
Slayer
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[AH1z]PJ wrote:

hmm thats only like 5-10 fps more, im not really into intel CPUs, thats a dual core right?

I had FX60 in plans since its really cheap now and thats the best I can get without changing my mobo
6800EE is the Core duo yes, it´s ca. 25% faster than the fastes AMD around, the X2-6000+.

An upgrade to the FX60 wont be noticed at all, compared to your 4000+, although benchmarks say around 12%. I´ve tested this thing myself and the gap wasnt that huge. If you want to upgrade and dont want to change the MoBo I suggest a S939 X2 4800+ (if those things are still aviable).

Take a look here to see a benchmark overview of current CPUs.

https://images.thgweb.de/2007/02/19/amds_letzter_versuch_mit_90_nm_-_athlon_64_x2_6000_plus/call_of_duty_2_1024.gif
2007-06-15 07:12:27
[AH1z]PJ
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well heres the thing, I was able to play FEAR, PREY, NFSMW, TRL...and others on high with some lag here and there with my old card which was 7800gtx but this game would make my cpu usage jump to 100% which made me think

maybe this game needs more cpu power? I upgraded to 8800gts and some games play alot better but some dont, like this game, I expected at least some improvement but na, theres none at all, why upgrade if it wont even make your old games run better? I mean its an old game, it should be a piece of cake for a G80 so it must not be the gpu, I have 2gb of ram which is enough, so theres one thing left and that is my cpu

that must be the problem and the best way to find out would be if someone played this same game on same settings but with a different cpu
2007-06-15 07:14:09
[AH1z]PJ
Member
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Sl4y3r wrote:

[AH1z]PJ wrote:

hmm thats only like 5-10 fps more, im not really into intel CPUs, thats a dual core right?

I had FX60 in plans since its really cheap now and thats the best I can get without changing my mobo
6800EE is the Core duo yes, it´s ca. 25% faster than the fastes AMD around, the X2-6000+.

An upgrade to the FX60 wont be noticed at all, compared to your 4000+, although benchmarks say around 12%. I´ve tested this thing myself and the gap wasnt that huge. If you want to upgrade and dont want to change the MoBo I suggest a S939 X2 4800+ (if those things are still aviable).

Take a look here to see a benchmark overview of current CPUs.

http://images.thgweb.de/2007/02/19/amds … 2_1024.gif
hmm 4800+

Ill look into that
2007-06-15 07:17:34
heggs
Spamalamadingdong
+581|6859|New York

Sl4y3r wrote:

wait

Sl4y3r wrote:

Look, compare those systems I´ve got and then tell me something about bottlenecking.

Intel C2d 6800EE, 4096 MB Corsair TwinMX DDR2-1000, 2x8800GTX ->135-150 fps

AMD64 4000+, 4096 MB Corsair TwinMX Cl2, 2x8800Ultra -> 130-140 fps

AMD64 4000+, 2048MB Corsair TwinMX Cl2, 1x7900GTX ->100-115 fps

AMD64 3200+, 4096 Kingston Cl2-5, 1x7900GS ->80-90 fps

sidenote: reso is 1600x1200, the upper two systems are maxxed completely (driver settings, not ingame)
Some games, including the BF2 and 2142 series (of course), have some driver issues with Nvidia 78**, 79**, 88** cards. I recommend you create some profiles for the games with the Nvidia tool, and you´ll see that your fps increase a lot!!!
Interesting, what type of profiles should be made? I would love to see a fps increase on my 7800gt.

Although, Entertayner and I have similar set ups, except that he has a C2D vs my 3200+, and his 7900gs is essentially the same as my 7800gt; and he gets about 100 fps more than I do on games. If I were to get a dual core high end cpu, I see huge increases as well.

Also, you're speaking of a 4000+ right, not a dual core?
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2007-06-15 07:19:39
san4
The Mas
+311|7159|NYC, a place to live

[AH1z]PJ wrote:

ok I have the EVGA 8800 GTS superclocked version and Im trying to figure out how bad of a bottleneck my CPU really is

my CPU is AMD 4000+ (never overclocked)

so basicly what I am looking for is a person with the same card but better cpu

I have 2gb of ram btw
You can do this comparison yourself by overclocking your CPU and seeing how that affects performance. That's what I did with my old card (6800XT) and CPU (2.4 ghz P5). I found that overclocking the video card made a difference on benchmarks (400 points on 3DMark05) and overclocking the CPU had almost no effect (< 100 points). So the CPU was not a bottleneck.

Bottleneck or no, the whole thing was slow as crap so I got the evga 8800GTS 320mb and E6600. Now everything is awesome.
2007-06-15 07:21:16
TheEternalPessimist
Wibble
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I dont have a 8800GTS, I have an 1950 Pro (which should be slower) I got 75-150 depending on where I was and how much was going on.
2007-06-15 07:22:50
[AH1z]PJ
Member
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TheEternalPessimist wrote:

I dont have a 8800GTS, I have an 1950 Pro (which should be slower) I got 75-150 depending on where I was and how much was going on.
hmm what cpu?

and doesnt that card have 512mb of ram?
2007-06-15 07:23:43
Slayer
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you had a 7800GTX 256MB and upgraded to an 8800GTS 320MB? No a too good step! The 8800GTS is equal to the 7900GTX, even runs slower in some benchs, so cant expect a huge increase compare to your old card!

All in all, I´d say, you dont need to upgrade your CPU atm. The X2 4800+ is the two core equal to the 64 4000+, upgrading wont boost you at all, maybe 2-3%.

Rather safe your money now, and wait until Intel drops the price of C2D´s (22th June). Then upgrade MoBo and CPU.
2007-06-15 07:26:12
TheEternalPessimist
Wibble
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[AH1z]PJ wrote:

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

I dont have a 8800GTS, I have an 1950 Pro (which should be slower) I got 75-150 depending on where I was and how much was going on.
hmm what cpu?

and doesnt that card have 512mb of ram?
C2D e6600

and yes it is 512MB
2007-06-15 07:26:21
Slayer
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heggs wrote:

Sl4y3r wrote:

wait

Sl4y3r wrote:

Look, compare those systems I´ve got and then tell me something about bottlenecking.

Intel C2d 6800EE, 4096 MB Corsair TwinMX DDR2-1000, 2x8800GTX ->135-150 fps

AMD64 4000+, 4096 MB Corsair TwinMX Cl2, 2x8800Ultra -> 130-140 fps

AMD64 4000+, 2048MB Corsair TwinMX Cl2, 1x7900GTX ->100-115 fps

AMD64 3200+, 4096 Kingston Cl2-5, 1x7900GS ->80-90 fps

sidenote: reso is 1600x1200, the upper two systems are maxxed completely (driver settings, not ingame)
Some games, including the BF2 and 2142 series (of course), have some driver issues with Nvidia 78**, 79**, 88** cards. I recommend you create some profiles for the games with the Nvidia tool, and you´ll see that your fps increase a lot!!!
Interesting, what type of profiles should be made? I would love to see a fps increase on my 7800gt.

Although, Entertayner and I have similar set ups, except that he has a C2D vs my 3200+, and his 7900gs is essentially the same as my 7800gt; and he gets about 100 fps more than I do on games. If I were to get a dual core high end cpu, I see huge increases as well.

Also, you're speaking of a 4000+ right, not a dual core?
Ja, AMD64 4000+ S. 939!

I´ll post a little guide how to create those Nvidia tool profiles later (Im in office right now).
2007-06-15 07:31:42
Cybargs
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Sl4y3r wrote:

you had a 7800GTX 256MB and upgraded to an 8800GTS 320MB? No a too good step! The 8800GTS is equal to the 7900GTX, even runs slower in some benchs, so cant expect a huge increase compare to your old card!

All in all, I´d say, you dont need to upgrade your CPU atm. The X2 4800+ is the two core equal to the 64 4000+, upgrading wont boost you at all, maybe 2-3%.

Rather safe your money now, and wait until Intel drops the price of C2D´s (22th June). Then upgrade MoBo and CPU.
Price drop is 22nd July slayer Another price drop on somewhere in September.
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2007-06-15 07:36:59
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
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[AH1z]PJ wrote:

Sl4y3r wrote:

[AH1z]PJ wrote:

hmm thats only like 5-10 fps more, im not really into intel CPUs, thats a dual core right?

I had FX60 in plans since its really cheap now and thats the best I can get without changing my mobo
6800EE is the Core duo yes, it´s ca. 25% faster than the fastes AMD around, the X2-6000+.

An upgrade to the FX60 wont be noticed at all, compared to your 4000+, although benchmarks say around 12%. I´ve tested this thing myself and the gap wasnt that huge. If you want to upgrade and dont want to change the MoBo I suggest a S939 X2 4800+ (if those things are still aviable).

Take a look here to see a benchmark overview of current CPUs.

http://images.thgweb.de/2007/02/19/amds … 2_1024.gif
hmm 4800+

Ill look into that
An FX-60 is quicker and better than a 4800+.
Since the price gap is so small, I'd get that over a 4800+.

You'd be much better switching to a C2D system, but you'd need a new Mobo, RAM and CPU (unless you got a funky ASRock board which let you use your old RAM - but that's not a great idea and I would only recommend doing that if you had an AGP GPU too, which you don't).
2007-06-15 07:50:06
ReDevilJR
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Sl4y3r wrote:

[AH1z]PJ wrote:

hmm thats only like 5-10 fps more, im not really into intel CPUs, thats a dual core right?

I had FX60 in plans since its really cheap now and thats the best I can get without changing my mobo
6800EE is the Core duo yes, it´s ca. 25% faster than the fastes AMD around, the X2-6000+.

An upgrade to the FX60 wont be noticed at all, compared to your 4000+, although benchmarks say around 12%. I´ve tested this thing myself and the gap wasnt that huge. If you want to upgrade and dont want to change the MoBo I suggest a S939 X2 4800+ (if those things are still aviable).

Take a look here to see a benchmark overview of current CPUs.

http://images.thgweb.de/2007/02/19/amds … 2_1024.gif
Best Skt 939 IMO. If you want FX-60, you're looking at ~ $400 on eBay... 4800 ~ $200 - $300
I got my 4800 for $220 on eBay,  when there were more of them out there...
http://search.ebay.com/AMD-4800-939_W0Q … turnedZ300
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dl … etaEndSort

I have the same graphics as you [AH1z]PJ, If I were to get lower temps, I'd do it, I'm getting new stuff over summer... (Including a new case, HD, and graphics - 8800GTX Superclocked)

What's the main difference between the FX-60 and the X2 4800? Besides 2.4 < 2.6 GHz processor and an unlocked multiplier?

Last edited by ReDevilJR (2007-06-15 08:00:30)

2007-06-15 08:02:49
Slayer
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Bertster7 wrote:

An FX-60 is quicker and better than a 4800+.
Since the price gap is so small, I'd get that over a 4800+.
True, but as there are no more FX60 supplied over here, I said 4800+
2007-06-15 08:07:26
[AH1z]PJ
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hmm its cheaper at newegg lol

FX60 is like $350 now


and damn those c2d have 2 X 4MB cache or am I wrong???

wow
2007-06-15 08:11:55
ReDevilJR
Member
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[AH1z]PJ wrote:

hmm its cheaper at newegg lol

FX60 is like $350 now


and damn those c2d have 2 X 4MB cache or am I wrong???

wow
Yeah, but Great Skt 939 Processors aren't being massively produced anymore...
2007-06-15 08:35:21
Scratch[USA]
Member
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Another Intel price drop.  Man I thought the E6600 <$300 was a steal.  Now just waiting on nvidia 8's price drops.

 

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