He was being sarcastic, therefore each little tidbit he didn't believe at all, in fact he believed the complete opposite. Contrary to me which is why I posted.
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Okay, but you agreed with some of his statements. As for you, I don't agree with what you say, but I'll die so you can say it. Have a good night, sir or m'am. (Signing off)S.J.N.P.0717 wrote:
He was being sarcastic, therefore each little tidbit he didn't believe at all, in fact he believed the complete opposite. Contrary to me which is why I posted.
Last edited by Major.League.Infidel (2007-06-19 01:34:10)
border security: you for sure have a point here and i agree with you that the US should improve the situation and right quicklyCameronPoe wrote:
Well perhaps some border security is in order then. Ever thought of that? It's amazing how many Vietnamese, Laotian and Cambodian terrorists 'followed you home' after the unjust and horrific Vietnam war....Harmor wrote:
If we leave Iraq completely the Terrorists will not follow us home.
as for the second bit of that comment, Vietnam was never considered terrorist in the same league as we have today. Their end game was very clearly spelled out as the reunification of north and south vietnam under communist rule. As i stated in earlier post the terrorists end game is to boot infidels out of the pan-arab penninsula and return the land to a caliphate with the ultimate goal of spreading the banner of islam over the entire world. this is different and is why they want to follow us home.
This argument only works on people who value their lives on earth. If you want to die to visit your 72 virgins, then this argument fails.CameronPoe wrote:
Nuclear deterrency and mutually assured destruction is what will prevent them from using nuclear weapons, which they don't have at the moment, on Israel.Harmor wrote:
Iran will not use a nuke on Israel, to do so would draw the ire of the world community.
The nukes that Iran would be capable of producing are not the kind to wipe Israel off the map nor poison the entire state. These are likely going to be low energy nukes and few in number. i highly doubt they will strike at Jerusalem but rather Haifa and Tel-Aviv. This would cause major problems for their economy and for sure incur big civilian deaths/disease. Not a good thing to happen and i sure hope it doesn't.CameronPoe wrote:
It will use it for energy yes but what good is a nuclear wasteland in Israel, home of the third holiest shrine in Islam. My bets would be on poisoning the water supply rathering than nuclear attacks.Harmor wrote:
Iran will use its nuclear program in peace, for energy and not give any nuclear material or technology to Hezbolla.
but again, perhaps i'm the only one of a few on this board wishing this does NOT happen.
Are you in the Marines? I'm going to be a Senior next year then right after I'm joining. Yeah I basically don't like Bush yet I'm going into the armed forces, and of all of them, the Marines. Haha sounds funny you'll die for my right to say it. I would be very selective about that. I mean if you had a choice of not letting someone talk or dying, I'd have to know the person beforehand haha.Major.League.Infidel wrote:
Okay, but you agreed with some of his statements. As for you, I don't agree with what you say, but I'll die so you can say it. Have a good night, sir or m'am. (Signing off)S.J.N.P.0717 wrote:
He was being sarcastic, therefore each little tidbit he didn't believe at all, in fact he believed the complete opposite. Contrary to me which is why I posted.
Israel, with or without the help of the United States would attack way before that were to happen.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
The nukes that Iran would be capable of producing are not the kind to wipe Israel off the map nor poison the entire state. These are likely going to be low energy nukes and few in number. i highly doubt they will strike at Jerusalem but rather Haifa and Tel-Aviv. This would cause major problems for their economy and for sure incur big civilian deaths/disease. Not a good thing to happen and i sure hope it doesn't.
but again, perhaps i'm the only one of a few on this board wishing this does NOT happen.
do those "Death to Amerca" rallies or gatherings w/e you wish to call them mean anything to you?
and this is a definite truth. if we were in their place, im quite sure that i would rather attack to prevent the bomb than let the bomb happen to have sure justification for an attack.Harmor wrote:
Israel, with or without the help of the United States would attack way before that were to happen.
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There is approximately 1 civilian contractor for every 10 US soldiers. (In Iraq)Harmor wrote:
According to MSNBC the United States military are mercenaries.
There are more civilian contractors in Iraq than soldiers in every non-US coalition army combined.
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Yeah, my blood pressure was starting to do dangerous things. You shouldn't ought not do that to an old man!Harmor wrote:
Don't worry, I'm sure someone will read only the first few lines and tear me a new one.Major.League.Infidel wrote:
You had me worried there for a second...
By now its just 'background static'. I'm more worried about the Graduating Class Suicide Brigade of 2008 that are being dispatched to do suicide attacks in Europe and the United States.irishtop wrote:
do those "Death to Amerca" rallies or gatherings w/e you wish to call them mean anything to you?
I love it that pretty much every time someone posts something you don't agree with, you attack their mentality and attack them personally in a very CONDESCENDING way and act as if they were the biggest morons for posting it. CameronPoe....you are not the "end all and be all" and honestly, you claim to have all the answers /resolutions and you think know how things should be done all over the world, but what REAL WORLD actions do you take? Actions speak louder than words. What makes your opinion any more important than anyone else's here? It is obvious where you stand on things, it is obvious what way you lean and it only took me a few days to know that anything you post is going to lean a certain way. But what I realize now is that you believe you know more than anyone here (even new war predictions) and you want everyone to know it, even to the point of talking somebody down for their opinion and trying to make them feel like shit for posting.CameronPoe wrote:
Yes I caught it. It's the typical retarded mentality propagated by people devoid of intellect to endorse futile international intervention in lieu of proper domestic security and political pressure through sanctions and economic handicaps. The retarded binary mentality that assumes that by ceasing international intervention you must then be 'nice to terrorists' when there are many many alternatives to dealing with them. Nobody is being nice or wants to be nice to terrorists.Major.League.Infidel wrote:
Wait, did you catch the foot note at the bottom?CameronPoe wrote:
A retort to the OPHarmor wrote:
Now if you believe any or all of the above I have a bridge to sell you.
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A lot of problems in this world are caused by close minded, narrow thinking people who think they or their cause is more important than anyone else and it seems that you suffer from the same type of thinking. Now, was that an attack on you? No...Do i think I have the answers to all the problems around the world...hell no. What I see is a lot of wrong doing by everybody everywhere. Everybody has a right to say what they feel without someone "policing" or making them feel like trash for believing what they wish to believe. Say your peace, state your beliefs but leave the condescending act at home.
I thought that 'sanctions and economic handicaps' hurt the people as well...CameronPoe wrote:
Yes I caught it. It's the typical retarded mentality propagated by people devoid of intellect to endorse futile international intervention in lieu of proper domestic security and political pressure through sanctions and economic handicaps. The retarded binary mentality that assumes that by ceasing international intervention you must then be 'nice to terrorists' when there are many many alternatives to dealing with them. Nobody is being nice or wants to be nice to terrorists.
I'll post in whatever manner I see fit to post within forum rules and you are just gonna have to get the fuck over it sonny jim.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
yadda yadda yadda
I think people have a point of "Islamifying" a nation. Read up on how Iran became an Islamic state. It was a mixture of oppression of Zoroastrians, outbreeding them and mass conversions (sometimes with the sword).
They tried to so it with India, and eventually got the states of Pakistan and Bangladesh carved out (thank fuck they were resilient enough not to get totally Islamifyed, only some twats converted. We would be fucked if India was an Islamic state)
Now they're trying to do it with Europe, they've already got some Muslim states out of it just like in South Asia. Who knows what will happen...
They tried to so it with India, and eventually got the states of Pakistan and Bangladesh carved out (thank fuck they were resilient enough not to get totally Islamifyed, only some twats converted. We would be fucked if India was an Islamic state)
Now they're trying to do it with Europe, they've already got some Muslim states out of it just like in South Asia. Who knows what will happen...
As long as they keep women oppressed in their cultures, they will continue to outbreed their competition.
It's funny, I see more Chinese people in Ireland than Muslims, in fact Ireland is choc full of Chinese these days. China is quite a questionable nation in terms of human rights and religious freedom and they still have a pseudo Communist regime over there ...how come we don't hear many people worrying about the prospect of a Communist Ireland in the future where Catholic churches are demolished and religious freedom is curtailed?Mekstizzle wrote:
I think people have a point of "Islamifying" a nation. Read up on how Iran became an Islamic state. It was a mixture of oppression of Zoroastrians, outbreeding them and mass conversions (sometimes with the sword).
They tried to so it with India, and eventually got the states of Pakistan and Bangladesh carved out (thank fuck they were resilient enough not to get totally Islamifyed, only some twats converted. We would be fucked if India was an Islamic state)
Now they're trying to do it with Europe, they've already got some Muslim states out of it just like in South Asia. Who knows what will happen...
Perhaps because the media is not hyping a Chinese world domination conspiracy?
Al Qaeda and co. are extremists, they will never have a say in how our Western Governments are run and as for regular law abiding Muslims trying to change our constitution somewhere down the track ...I believe that with proper integration the future generations of Muslims will see the benefit in our society the way it is as it is as opposed to the way it might have been back in their homeland (they obviously moved here for a reason and I find it very hard to believe it was part of an elaborate plantation-style long term agenda), it's not like their religious practices are in any way restricted.
Therein is the problem. Integration. I do not think this is happening properly. Islam perceives western decedant behavior (aka our freedom to say 'gay is okay', have women's rights, MTV, etc) as 180 degrees opposite to themselves. As such, they reject our society and refuse to integrate.Braddock wrote:
I believe that with proper integration the future generations of Muslims will see the benefit in our society
Now, given enough time, your hope is that it would wear down these silly ideas of what is decadant and what is normal. i'm hopeful too, but don't think this will happen. They have time on their side really.
You must not have much experience with muslims being integrated into westernised societies. For the most part it works perfectly well. I know loads and loads of people from the middle east who have integrated perfectly into western culture - typically the younger ones (although it is also the younger ones that are most susceptible towards being radicalised - but this is much, much rarer).CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
Therein is the problem. Integration. I do not think this is happening properly. Islam perceives western decedant behavior (aka our freedom to say 'gay is okay', have women's rights, MTV, etc) as 180 degrees opposite to themselves. As such, they reject our society and refuse to integrate.Braddock wrote:
I believe that with proper integration the future generations of Muslims will see the benefit in our society
Now, given enough time, your hope is that it would wear down these silly ideas of what is decadant and what is normal. i'm hopeful too, but don't think this will happen. They have time on their side really.
Just as i thought, no Real World action..just another attack.CameronPoe wrote:
I'll post in whatever manner I see fit to post within forum rules and you are just gonna have to get the fuck over it sonny jim.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
yadda yadda yadda
Do you want him to post photos of himself attending rallies and getting petitions signed? ...or posing with a rocket launcher on the front lines of some conflict perhaps? This is a forum, a place for debate and discussion. No one here pretends to have the answer for all the worlds problems, we only have opinions, which we try to back up with facts and references where ever possible. If you have a beef with another debater attack their facts and references, there's no point trying to change someone's opinion simply by forcing your own opinion ...bombard your opponent with facts and let him deal with them instead.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Just as i thought, no Real World action..just another attack.CameronPoe wrote:
I'll post in whatever manner I see fit to post within forum rules and you are just gonna have to get the fuck over it sonny jim.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
yadda yadda yadda
I want to attend THIS rally:
I think the irony is that the Islamic bums came out of the Middle East and attacked us at 9/11. I think Rosie needs to get her head out of her loose vagina.
If you took the time to read what I said carefully, you would see that I did NOT attack his opinions or facts or TRY to change his opinion to fit mine whatsoever!!!! What I did say was that he doesn't have to attack people on a personal level because they don't agree with him.Braddock wrote:
Do you want him to post photos of himself attending rallies and getting petitions signed? ...or posing with a rocket launcher on the front lines of some conflict perhaps? This is a forum, a place for debate and discussion. No one here pretends to have the answer for all the worlds problems, we only have opinions, which we try to back up with facts and references where ever possible. If you have a beef with another debater attack their facts and references, there's no point trying to change someone's opinion simply by forcing your own opinion ...bombard your opponent with facts and let him deal with them instead.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Just as i thought, no Real World action..just another attack.CameronPoe wrote:
I'll post in whatever manner I see fit to post within forum rules and you are just gonna have to get the fuck over it sonny jim.
CameronPoe: "retarded mentality propagated by people devoid of intellect"
To me that is very condescending, making someone feel like an ass for posting what they believe to be true and its not necessary to prove a point or to disagree. I don't care what your beliefs are or what your opinions are. The bottom line is that if you are level headed person, you don't need to attack someone that has differing beliefs and it isn't the first time he attacked like this. As far as real world, you don't get my point either. In the real world, debating this or that in a gaming forum that maybe 200 people might see does nothing to solve anything, especially trashing people because they don't believe his point.
I was married to a Muslim woman for quite a long time, Living among and with people of differing beliefs will teach you tolerance and teach someone about mature interaction with people who don't believe what you may believe. In my time in the Muslim community, I was able to foster a lot of good will, i helped out with different organizations (orphanages and communities less fortunate than me) year after year and I can say that those Muslims that I interacted with have a much better outlook on America than listening to negative BS on TV..and believe me, I heard some disturbing things during this time because of what they were hearing and where they were learning all the negative info, misinformation and just not having interaction with real people of different beliefs. It is because I made a real world difference instead of trying to make my e-penis bigger than the next guy.
I gave a lot to help children , even up to college aged students(paying for tuition) to give them what they needed to grow up in a better world. I also gave my resources as an Architect to help build and give people a better place to live. Now the high school and college students were also able to communicate with me directly and they were able to again see a real world person of a different culture and belief system and I do feel that those interactions changed a lot of negativity and questions they had for me. You see, if I treated them like Poe does here, then I would only create more enemies and foster more negativity. Instead, they have a positive view that can be spread among people they know and so on and so on. That is what I mean about a real world difference. You don't have to be a prick to prove a point or to people who don't agree or are different than you in a gaming forum. Pretty simple point.
I read Poe's counter...DeathBecomesYu wrote:
If you took the time to read what I said carefully, you would see that I did NOT attack his opinions or facts or TRY to change his opinion to fit mine whatsoever!!!! What I did say was that he doesn't have to attack people on a personal level because they don't agree with him.Braddock wrote:
Do you want him to post photos of himself attending rallies and getting petitions signed? ...or posing with a rocket launcher on the front lines of some conflict perhaps? This is a forum, a place for debate and discussion. No one here pretends to have the answer for all the worlds problems, we only have opinions, which we try to back up with facts and references where ever possible. If you have a beef with another debater attack their facts and references, there's no point trying to change someone's opinion simply by forcing your own opinion ...bombard your opponent with facts and let him deal with them instead.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Just as i thought, no Real World action..just another attack.
CameronPoe: "retarded mentality propagated by people devoid of intellect"
To me that is very condescending, making someone feel like an ass for posting what they believe to be true and its not necessary to prove a point or to disagree. I don't care what your beliefs are or what your opinions are. The bottom line is that if you are level headed person, you don't need to attack someone that has differing beliefs and it isn't the first time he attacked like this. As far as real world, you don't get my point either. In the real world, debating this or that in a gaming forum that maybe 200 people might see does nothing to solve anything, especially trashing people because they don't believe his point.
I was married to a Muslim woman for quite a long time, Living among and with people of differing beliefs will teach you tolerance and teach someone about mature interaction with people who don't believe what you may believe. In my time in the Muslim community, I was able to foster a lot of good will, i helped out with different organizations (orphanages and communities less fortunate than me) year after year and I can say that those Muslims that I interacted with have a much better outlook on America than listening to negative BS on TV..and believe me, I heard some disturbing things during this time because of what they were hearing and where they were learning all the negative info, misinformation and just not having interaction with real people of different beliefs. It is because I made a real world difference instead of trying to make my e-penis bigger than the next guy.
I gave a lot to help children , even up to college aged students(paying for tuition) to give them what they needed to grow up in a better world. I also gave my resources as an Architect to help build and give people a better place to live. Now the high school and college students were also able to communicate with me directly and they were able to again see a real world person of a different culture and belief system and I do feel that those interactions changed a lot of negativity and questions they had for me. You see, if I treated them like Poe does here, then I would only create more enemies and foster more negativity. Instead, they have a positive view that can be spread among people they know and so on and so on. That is what I mean about a real world difference. You don't have to be a prick to prove a point or to people who don't agree or are different than you in a gaming forum. Pretty simple point.
My point is instead of attacking the tone of his post why not attempt to tackle him on his assertion that proper domestic security and political pressure through sanctions and economic handicaps are what's needed above International intervention? Or the point that people of this mentality he speaks of see being nice to terrorists as a compulsory byproduct of the ceasing of International intervention rather than the many alternatives possible? In failing to address any of these points your retort has ironically turned out to be somewhat of a personal attack in itself rather than furthering the debate in question.Cameronpoe wrote:
Yes I caught it. It's the typical retarded mentality propagated by people devoid of intellect to endorse futile international intervention in lieu of proper domestic security and political pressure through sanctions and economic handicaps. The retarded binary mentality that assumes that by ceasing international intervention you must then be 'nice to terrorists' when there are many many alternatives to dealing with them. Nobody is being nice or wants to be nice to terrorists.
Last edited by Braddock (2007-06-20 11:46:49)
Because I have nothing against his opinion, so why would I attack that? Wasn't even attacking his tone...I simply pointed out that trashing somebody personally, name calling and being close minded is exactly why so many people in this world just don't get it and why there are so many problems in this world. So many people spewing that they are right above all else. I would have a lot more respect if people also gave that respect regardless of their differences. My last words on this, nothing more to be said...anyhow,,this quote is getting too damn long.Braddock wrote:
I read Poe's counter...DeathBecomesYu wrote:
If you took the time to read what I said carefully, you would see that I did NOT attack his opinions or facts or TRY to change his opinion to fit mine whatsoever!!!! What I did say was that he doesn't have to attack people on a personal level because they don't agree with him.Braddock wrote:
Do you want him to post photos of himself attending rallies and getting petitions signed? ...or posing with a rocket launcher on the front lines of some conflict perhaps? This is a forum, a place for debate and discussion. No one here pretends to have the answer for all the worlds problems, we only have opinions, which we try to back up with facts and references where ever possible. If you have a beef with another debater attack their facts and references, there's no point trying to change someone's opinion simply by forcing your own opinion ...bombard your opponent with facts and let him deal with them instead.
CameronPoe: "retarded mentality propagated by people devoid of intellect"
To me that is very condescending, making someone feel like an ass for posting what they believe to be true and its not necessary to prove a point or to disagree. I don't care what your beliefs are or what your opinions are. The bottom line is that if you are level headed person, you don't need to attack someone that has differing beliefs and it isn't the first time he attacked like this. As far as real world, you don't get my point either. In the real world, debating this or that in a gaming forum that maybe 200 people might see does nothing to solve anything, especially trashing people because they don't believe his point.
I was married to a Muslim woman for quite a long time, Living among and with people of differing beliefs will teach you tolerance and teach someone about mature interaction with people who don't believe what you may believe. In my time in the Muslim community, I was able to foster a lot of good will, i helped out with different organizations (orphanages and communities less fortunate than me) year after year and I can say that those Muslims that I interacted with have a much better outlook on America than listening to negative BS on TV..and believe me, I heard some disturbing things during this time because of what they were hearing and where they were learning all the negative info, misinformation and just not having interaction with real people of different beliefs. It is because I made a real world difference instead of trying to make my e-penis bigger than the next guy.
I gave a lot to help children , even up to college aged students(paying for tuition) to give them what they needed to grow up in a better world. I also gave my resources as an Architect to help build and give people a better place to live. Now the high school and college students were also able to communicate with me directly and they were able to again see a real world person of a different culture and belief system and I do feel that those interactions changed a lot of negativity and questions they had for me. You see, if I treated them like Poe does here, then I would only create more enemies and foster more negativity. Instead, they have a positive view that can be spread among people they know and so on and so on. That is what I mean about a real world difference. You don't have to be a prick to prove a point or to people who don't agree or are different than you in a gaming forum. Pretty simple point.My point is instead of attacking the tone of his post why not attempt to tackle him on his assertion that proper domestic security and political pressure through sanctions and economic handicaps are what's needed above International intervention? Or the point that people of this mentality he speaks of see being nice to terrorists as a compulsory byproduct of the ceasing of International intervention rather than the many alternatives possible? In failing to address any of these points your retort has ironically turned out to be somewhat of a personal attack in itself rather than furthering the debate in question.Cameronpoe wrote:
Yes I caught it. It's the typical retarded mentality propagated by people devoid of intellect to endorse futile international intervention in lieu of proper domestic security and political pressure through sanctions and economic handicaps. The retarded binary mentality that assumes that by ceasing international intervention you must then be 'nice to terrorists' when there are many many alternatives to dealing with them. Nobody is being nice or wants to be nice to terrorists.
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