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Format HDD. Install 32-bit.

Get rid of 1GB stick. So you have 3GB.

Run memtestx86 for at least 4 hours.

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Zimmer wrote:

Format HDD. Install 32-bit.

Get rid of 1GB stick. So you have 3GB.

Run memtestx86 for at least 4 hours.

Christ... well I don't have time today as I have to leave in a couple minutes.. but it'll be a fun project for later.

@#%@#)$ microsoft..

Maybe my uncle will have some suggestions... *sigh*

1. You don't need to remove and RAM - 32bit does support 4GB of physical RAM.

2. Have you got unused space on your HDD for a second partition?

If yes, I would think you can just create a second partition and install 32bit into that - then you should be able to choose between the two at start-up - you can certainly do this on XP.

If not, when you reformat - create at least two partitions (I would go with at least three) - 1 for 64bit Vista, 1 for 32bit (and at least 1 for data, maybe 1 more if you can find your copy of XP).

Then, install is relatively easy - at least it is in XP - you just select different install partitions for each different version during the 'dos-mode' setup screens and it automatically creates a 'boot-menu' so you can select which version of windows to boot into.

Please Note: I've not actually done this with Vista myself, so everything I just said may simply not apply - I'll see if I can find out for sure whether my thinking on it is correct - but this part of the setup has worked the same since NT 4, so I expect it will be the same (or very similar) in Vista.

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2007-06-24 15:59:12)

Zimmer wrote:

Scorpion. It is said that is can cope with 4GB, but Vista is having lots of problem with 4GB right now.

Ah... OK, I didn't know that - I thought you were implying that 32bit windows will only support 3GB of physical ram.

Zimmer wrote:

Take one out for now, see if that stabilises your computer, if it does, then try the 4GB RAM and untighten the LATENCY. i.e - Try the RAM at 5-5-5-15 latency. It should then stabilise your computer.

On the few occasions I've ever tried tweaking RAM timings, I've found the only really stable setting is the factory settings. Of course, other peoples mileage may vary.

Hello,

I must say that my Vista runs....1 have 2gb OCZ REAPER 1066MHz and bf2 didn't´s LAG and i don't get Blue-screens....the last update was soo good for the performance i have about 13000 3d.marks and everything runs optimal...

sorry for my bad english...

Zimmer wrote:

Hmm. If they are on factory voltage, then yes, the most stable is the factory settings, but if you lower the voltage to the next smallest option then you can loosen the timings.

Ah... I see... that's probably where I went wrong - I'm not much of a hardware tweaker myself - I'll take stable over fast any day, though I prefer stable and fast.

Zimmer wrote:

1066MHz is very fast Memory, no wonder you don't lag, especially when you have REAPER OCZ. Nice rig you must have.

C2D E6600@3.5Ghz-->Watercooled
2GB OCZ Reaper 1066Mhz
GeForce Evga 8800GTX
500GB Hard-drive
ASus P5n-32SLI
Coolermaser Stacker 830 with 4 Fans

-Windows Vista 64Bit

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

1. You don't need to remove and RAM - 32bit does support 4GB of physical RAM.

Does it though? Doesn't it just support 4GB of logical memory? There is a difference.

Yes it does. And no it doesn't. There is indeed a difference. But it's complicated. And I can't be arsed to go into the details. This has been done to death in numerous threads and by numerous posters here on this very website...

32 Bit doesn´t support 4GB RAM-->3,2GB RAM=MAX

only 64 will do!

Bertster7 wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Does it though? Doesn't it just support 4GB of logical memory? There is a difference.

Yes it does. And no it doesn't. There is indeed a difference. But it's complicated. And I can't be arsed to go into the details. This has been done to death in numerous threads and by numerous posters here on this very website...

It's not complicated at all. It's very, very simple.

I am highly skeptical of your claim and still believe Vista 32-bit only supports 4GB of logical memory.

ANY 32-bit OS can only see 4GB, that's 4'294'967'296 Bytes. The CPU only sees logical memory addresses, so can only access stuff from within the logical memory range - simple. The OS may handle logical/physical address conversion via an MMU (in Windows I think the paging unit is responsible). If a 32-bit CPU needs to access any hardware, which of course it does, then it can't access 4GB of physical memory.

This why I can't be arsed to get into this. The reason everyone thinks they're right, and in fact everyone is usually right, even though they're all saying different things, is that actually, it all depends on whether you are talking about logical, virtual or physical RAM.

From Some perspectives, it is correct to say "32bit Windows supports 3GB RAM max", from others that "32bit Windows supports 4GB RAM max".

As I said before - this has been done to death in numerous threads already - I don't want to be a Search-nazi - but try Searching...

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Zimmer wrote:

Format HDD. Install 32-bit.

Get rid of 1GB stick. So you have 3GB.

Run memtestx86 for at least 4 hours.

Christ... well I don't have time today as I have to leave in a couple minutes.. but it'll be a fun project for later.

@#%@#)$ microsoft..

Maybe my uncle will have some suggestions... *sigh*

1. You don't need to remove and RAM - 32bit does support 4GB of physical RAM.

2. Have you got unused space on your HDD for a second partition?

If yes, I would think you can just create a second partition and install 32bit into that - then you should be able to choose between the two at start-up - you can certainly do this on XP.

If not, when you reformat - create at least two partitions (I would go with at least three) - 1 for 64bit Vista, 1 for 32bit (and at least 1 for data, maybe 1 more if you can find your copy of XP).

Then, install is relatively easy - at least it is in XP - you just select different install partitions for each different version during the 'dos-mode' setup screens and it automatically creates a 'boot-menu' so you can select which version of windows to boot into.

Please Note: I've not actually done this with Vista myself, so everything I just said may simply not apply - I'll see if I can find out for sure whether my thinking on it is correct - but this part of the setup has worked the same since NT 4, so I expect it will be the same (or very similar) in Vista.

K, I have my old XP copy, and though I may have used up all of my licenses, Microsoft's good about giving out another if windows crashed like it did in my case... so how exactly would I set up another partition to set up XP on my computer.. I don't want to loose vista if I don't have to... but I have a 300 gb hard drive with 215 Gbs available.

vista is the devil

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

1. You don't need to remove and RAM - 32bit does support 4GB of physical RAM.

2. Have you got unused space on your HDD for a second partition?

If yes, I would think you can just create a second partition and install 32bit into that - then you should be able to choose between the two at start-up - you can certainly do this on XP.

If not, when you reformat - create at least two partitions (I would go with at least three) - 1 for 64bit Vista, 1 for 32bit (and at least 1 for data, maybe 1 more if you can find your copy of XP).

Then, install is relatively easy - at least it is in XP - you just select different install partitions for each different version during the 'dos-mode' setup screens and it automatically creates a 'boot-menu' so you can select which version of windows to boot into.

Please Note: I've not actually done this with Vista myself, so everything I just said may simply not apply - I'll see if I can find out for sure whether my thinking on it is correct - but this part of the setup has worked the same since NT 4, so I expect it will be the same (or very similar) in Vista.

K, I have my old XP copy, and though I may have used up all of my licenses, Microsoft's good about giving out another if windows crashed like it did in my case... so how exactly would I set up another partition to set up XP on my computer.. I don't want to loose vista if I don't have to... but I have a 300 gb hard drive with 215 Gbs available.

Okay, first a couple of questions:

1. when you say "215 Gbs available" - is that 'available file space' or 'unallocated space on the HDD'?
2. when you say "I don't want to lose vista" - do you not have it on DVD? or do you mean you'd rather not have to reformat?

1. When I click on "Computer" it says "218 GB free of 279 GB" though it fluctuates, a lot.. last week it was at 189 GB and I actually installed something....
2. Meaning I'd rather not have to reformat.  I could.... but I don't want to if at all possible.

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

K, I have my old XP copy, and though I may have used up all of my licenses, Microsoft's good about giving out another if windows crashed like it did in my case... so how exactly would I set up another partition to set up XP on my computer.. I don't want to loose vista if I don't have to... but I have a 300 gb hard drive with 215 Gbs available.

Okay, first a couple of questions:

1. when you say "215 Gbs available" - is that 'available file space' or 'unallocated space on the HDD'?
2. when you say "I don't want to lose vista" - do you not have it on DVD? or do you mean you'd rather not have to reformat?

1. When I click on "Computer" it says "218 GB free of 279 GB" though it fluctuates, a lot.. last week it was at 189 GB and I actually installed something....
2. Meaning I'd rather not have to reformat.  I could.... but I don't want to if at all possible.

OK. And you only have single C: drive, that is your entire HDD, correct?

If so, yes, 'fraid it will need a re-format, to set-up seperate partitions.


A partition is like a kind of 'virtual' or 'logical' drive - they  show up explorer as 'c:', 'd:', 'e:' and so on (the exact letters that get assigned to each partition varies according to whether you've got CD/DVD drive(s), and other factors).

For a lot of people, having one single partition on a HDD (usually labeled 'c:') is fine - they never really need anything else - and this is generally the way a new PC wil come cofigured.

However, there are a couple of advantages to creating several, smaller, partitions on a single HDD:

1. You can install several versions of windows (e.g. both 64bit and 32bit Vista, plus XP) - this allows you to use which ever is most suitable for the task at hand (for example, I have a 'work' install and a 'games' install - the games install is optimized for gaming, whereas the work install has all the different, memory and processor hogging, apps that I need for work) - also, as you've found, Vista is not completely stable (and 64bit is less stable than 32bit), but, as Microsoft get round to fixing the bugs it will get more stable, so it makes sense to have both 32bit and 64bit Vista (and, maybe even XP) installed.

2. You can seperate your data files from you apps and OS files. This can be a life saver if your OS screws up badly, or you get a really nasty virus/trojan, where the only solution is to reformat and reinstall everything - by having seperate partitions for the os/apps and data, you can just wipe the os/apps partition and your data files remain safe (though backing them up anyway, is always a wise move).


Now, setting up partitions is not difficult, it is a little involved, and there are things you have to make sure you get correct, but once you done it once, as long as you remember how to do it, it's a breeze.

I'd recommend you go with something along the following lines:

Partition 1: ~50GB - Windows XP and apps.
Partition 2: ~50GB - Windows Vista 32bit and apps.
Partition 3: ~50GB - Windows Vista 64bit and apps.
Partition 4: ~150GB - Data.

(the exact sizes will depend on just how many and what apps/games/etc you want to install under each OS version).


If you do want to go down this route, I'll try to write up some fail-safe instructions for you (they will be for the XP setup program (as this is the one I know))...

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2007-06-26 20:00:43)