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2007-06-24 17:35:30
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6993|San Diego, CA, USA
Hear me out.  What if we paid prisoners $10/hour to pick Produce?

1.  This is a VOLUNTENTARY program, not like the Pea farms of the 30-40s.
2.  60% of their wage goes to the state to pay for their incoderation.
3.  40% of the wage they get to keep and save for their release.
4.  Time spent harvesting will reduce their sentence.
5.  We don't have to hire illegals.
6.  Farmers get people to pick crops.
7.  The state gets to reduce its cost of housing inmates.


Its a win win win situation.


What's funny is that alot of the prisoners we do have already are illegal - I don't think they should be allowed to partisipate in this program?


Your thoughts?
2007-06-24 17:45:47
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7045|132 and Bush

Who will make the license plates?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-06-24 17:47:31
Klinka-Klinko
NIKE Swoosh
+101|6664|cs_connecticut‬‭
Hmmm...
2007-06-24 17:51:02
Belx
Member
+4|7122|New York, New York
Farmers still will not be making enough to support themselves, 10$ an hour is a lot of money from the below minimum wages the immigrants took.
2007-06-24 17:51:28
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7088
you shouldnt pay inmates more money than the current minimum wage. 

"Hey I could get more money committing a crime and working for the state than i can serving burgers at mcdonalds"

Harmor wrote:

What's funny is that alot of the prisoners we do have already are illegal - I don't think they should be allowed to partisipate in this program?
actually at much smaller rate compared to rest of the American population.  you could say the majority of crime the illegal pupulation is responsible for is solely the act of entering the country illegally.

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2007-06-24 17:54:38)

2007-06-24 17:53:27
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7025|the dank(super) side of Oregon
pay them less than minimum wage and then deduct for room, board, healthcare, and cable TV.
2007-06-24 17:55:04
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6935|Menlo Park, CA
I have been saying this shit for years!!

Prisoners in other states pick produce. . . .Louisiana is one state that does this!!

The state wins, the farmers win, and the prisoners get out and do labor as punishment as well as a benefit the communities they effected.

You dont have to pay them shit! Its part of their sentence!! Guards take them to north/central/southern California or wherever, and they do the job.  Why let illegals do the job that prisoners are perfectly capable of doing themselves. . . . .

Why not put our overcrowded prisons and their prisoners to work??? Makes sense to me!! Get these illegals out of here!!
2007-06-24 18:00:29
sexecuti0ner
What kinda guy are you are?
+148|6676
First, you'd need some sort of incentive to get the farmers to agree to that sort of thing, like a tax break or something.  You also cannot pay the inmates $10 per hour.  They would work slow just to fatten up their paychecks (I know I would).  Paying by the bushel would be a better idea IMO and you would have to compete with illegal immigrants, so they probably wouldn't get paid much.  I like the idea, though.

Edit:

Reciprocity wrote:

pay them less than minimum wage and then deduct for room, board, healthcare, and cable TV.
I think you mean share-cropping, which was an alternative to slavery in the American South right after slavery was abolished.

Last edited by sexecuti0ner (2007-06-24 18:04:03)

2007-06-24 18:06:06
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6935|Menlo Park, CA

sexecuti0ner wrote:

First, you'd need some sort of incentive to get the farmers to agree to that sort of thing, like a tax break or something.  You also cannot pay the inmates $10 per hour.  They would work slow just to fatten up their paychecks (I know I would).  Paying by the bushel would be a better idea IMO and you would have to compete with illegal immigrants, so they probably wouldn't get paid much.  I like the idea, though.  Just needs some fine tuning.
How about the farmers getting a free labor force!!! You pay the prisoners by the pound they bring in! i.e. 25 cents per pound of produce picked or something similar. . . . They dont deserve to be paid like someone who didnt commit a crime i.e. a normal employed worker!! They're prisoners, and should receive a proper prisoners wage.  The prisoners would also have quotas in which they would have to reach by the end of the day as well. . . .so as to have the same level of production as fully employed workers had!!

You want to give the farmers the biggest break you can, so they sign on to the deal! If you (a farmer) can populate your fields with free labor which does the exact same job as the illegals, and do it LEGALLY, then its a win!!

Get these muther fuckers who dont want to assimilate, hate America, and for the most part send their wages back to their home country OUT OF HERE!!!

p.s. This ISNT slavery! This is giving back to the community, a community in which they owe a debt to!!! The prisoners would get helped if hurt, an hour lunch, water/bathroom breaks when needed, all humane treatment as anyone who isnt a prisoner.

Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-06-24 18:10:56)

2007-06-24 18:09:00
golgoj4
Member
+51|7218|North Hollywood

Harmor wrote:

Hear me out.  What if we paid prisoners $10/hour to pick Produce?

1.  This is a VOLUNTENTARY program, not like the Pea farms of the 30-40s.
2.  60% of their wage goes to the state to pay for their incoderation.
3.  40% of the wage they get to keep and save for their release.
4.  Time spent harvesting will reduce their sentence.
5.  We don't have to hire illegals.
6.  Farmers get people to pick crops.
7.  The state gets to reduce its cost of housing inmates.


Its a win win win situation.


What's funny is that alot of the prisoners we do have already are illegal - I don't think they should be allowed to partisipate in this program?


Your thoughts?
You know, this sounds like a damned good idea. Especially here in Ca where the prisons are pretty damned crowded. I don't see how anyone could see this as a bad idea. Maybe adjust the wages, im no economist but $10/ hr seems a bit generous.

*edit*
In a slightly related topic, any robotics people here? How far away from automating some of these farm processes? Lightyears? I don't know much about it, so feel free to respond.

Last edited by golgoj4 (2007-06-24 18:13:03)

2007-06-24 18:12:17
KevMunro
Bring a Towel
+8|6875|Brisbane
I'm for it - Especially the 40% kept in savings (accumulating interest) so that upon release, the prisoner does not need to turn to crime to get themselves back on their feet.

Having said that however, I believe the ex-con should have to find gainful employment before the money is released - otherwise we'd have fuckers getting out only to sit on their collective asses contributing nothing. For another rant similar to this one, check out my MySpace blog rant called "Pop-That-Kid-Out".
2007-06-24 18:13:10
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7129|United States of America

Harmor wrote:

Hear me out.  What if we paid prisoners $10/hour to pick Produce?

1.  This is a VOLUNTENTARY program, not like the Pea farms of the 30-40s.
2.  60% of their wage goes to the state to pay for their incoderation.
3.  40% of the wage they get to keep and save for their release.
4.  Time spent harvesting will reduce their sentence.
5.  We don't have to hire illegals.
6.  Farmers get people to pick crops.
7.  The state gets to reduce its cost of housing inmates.
I'm sorry but I believe you mean "voluntary" and "incarceration" in points 1 and two respectively. I usually don't correct Internet grammar but this stood out to a large degree.

This does bring up some point though. "We" would be paying them, which would mean the state or federal government right? In all likelihood, wouldn't the money otherwise be going to pay for their tenure in prison, but now we would be reducing that amount?
2007-06-24 18:18:32
Captain_Iron_shooter
Member
+2|7133|Montreal, QC. Canada
I don't know how much a prisoner cost to the state in your country, but here in Canada it's around 60k  C$ a year. I would make them work for nothing, instead of letting them benchpress and watch tv all day.
2007-06-24 19:12:05
Belx
Member
+4|7122|New York, New York
While I agree some aspects of prison are a bit too nice for what a prison should be, prisons really should be based around rehabilitating the prisoner so when they leave they are productive members that do not want to and do not need to commit crimes anymore.

Picking produce does not teach this, except as a useless punishment.
2007-06-25 04:38:24
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6734|Éire

Belx wrote:

While I agree some aspects of prison are a bit too nice for what a prison should be, prisons really should be based around rehabilitating the prisoner so when they leave they are productive members that do not want to and do not need to commit crimes anymore.

Picking produce does not teach this, except as a useless punishment.
I think there's too much focus on rehabilitation and not enough focus on punishment these days. While rehabilitation is an important aspect to prison life I think prison should still primarily be a punishment for people who have chosen not to play by the same rules as the rest of us.
2007-06-25 04:59:32
BVC
Member
+325|7140
Thing is, cheap prison labour in this case would put regular farm workers out of work.  What about volunteer work that wouldn't otherwise be done, instead?
2007-06-25 05:01:02
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7134|Tampa Bay Florida
Here's what you say :

Okay, everyone working here starts with a flat pay of 20 bucks a day.  If you do really well, we'll add to your salary in 5 dollar increments.  If you slack off, you go back to jail.

Last edited by Spearhead (2007-06-25 05:01:33)

2007-06-25 05:04:04
Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6963|Adelaide, South Australia

You'd have to have a sentence cap for prisoners who would participate (IE, maximum sentence 5 years, or any offence below murder/manslaughter).

Here in Adelaide, I believe we actually have a prison that supports itself by the crops it farms. Of course, we don't send murderers there, but you get my point. If I can get more info from my Legal Studies teacher later on, I'll provide links.
2007-06-25 05:28:29
loubot
O' HAL naw!
+470|7022|Columbus, OH
Are we thinking about the same people. I do see things Black and White. Prisoners are in prison for a reason. Why would you want someone with no social value to handle your food?  If the produce is mishandled, you can have an E-Coli or another virus outbreak. I think the State or Federal State do not want any liability, let alone spending more money on manpower to supervise the job gets done properly as well as watching these fools.
2007-06-25 05:58:47
JahManRed
wank
+646|7072|IRELAND

They should be doing this. It costs £40 000 a year to keep a prisoner on the UK, that's more that if you put them up in a 5star hotel for the same time. Society not only pays when they break the law it also has to pay a shit load to 'punish' them. They should be made give back to the society which they have been stealing of.

It gets them outside and gets them exercise too.

Child Sex offenders should be used to pick landmines tho.
2007-06-25 19:16:42
iamangry
Member
+59|7089|The United States of America
Heres an idea, why don't we have robots do it??
Cashiers at supermarkets and walmarts are being rapidly replaced by self checkouts with one computer geek at the head register, its only a matter of time I suppose before this spreads to fast food and other simple jobs.  The American people want a service based economy, they all want their 9-5 job with stock options and no real need for any physical prowess whatsoever.  So give it to them.  I would like to see Ford or GM or John Deere or someone come out with "farmbots" to do this kind of work.  Then the illegals won't have jobs, they'll stop coming, and we'll be glad.
2007-06-25 19:23:30
Liberal-Sl@yer
Certified BF2S Asshole
+131|6900|The edge of sanity
http://www.prisonactivist.org/pipermail … 02062.html

Something more along the lines of that would be good. Let them work for thier candy bars and sodas.

 

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