How doesn't it? Try it (it involves infinite theory, by the way).Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Your sums are wrong - 0+1+1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16... does not =2 and so on...some_random_panda wrote:
Meh. If we're going to play with infinity, I'll throw in my old question.
Say, you have infinite number of columns leading down of infinite numbers in this pattern and infinite rows of infinite numbers leading across in this pattern...
0 1 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16... =2
-1 0 1 1/2 1/4 1/8... =1
-1/2 -1 0 1 1/2 1/4... =1/2
-1/4 -1/2 -1 0 1 1/2... =1/4
-1/8 -1/4 -1/2 -1 0 1... =1/8
. . . . . . .
. . . . . . .
. . . . . . =4
=-2 =-1 =-1/2 =-1/4 =-1/8 =-1/16... -----> =-4
yet the table clearly equals 0!
Anyone know why if you add it horizontally, vertically or as a concept that it is different?
And to those who posted in my original thread, NO POSTING.
AH! BUT!petermassingale wrote:
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then 8/9 is 0.8
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then 9/9 is 0.9
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But any 5 year old could tell you 9/9 is one. So on the basis of that 0.9=1
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9/9 is not 0.9
. . .
0.9=9/10
(if you see what I mean)
Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2007-06-27 01:52:23)
there is no illusion except in your head the sums don't add up because your mixing up the equationAndoura wrote:
Here the proof math are false:
3 guys goes to an hotel, it will cost 30$ for one night. So they each pay 10$ which makes 30$. Few hours later the receptionist realized it was 25$ for the night, so he have to give them back 5$. But 5$ in 3 is hard, so he decide to give them back 1$ each and keep 2$ for him. So each guy payed 9$ what makes a total of 27$. Add to those 27$ you add the 2$ of the receptionist which makes 29$...
Wheres the last dollar?
theirs no illusion, fake statement or stuff like that!
30 = 25 + 3 + 2
original paid = real cost + whats going to be given back + stolen money
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0.3333 + 0.3333 + 0.3333 does not equal 1 unless you are told to round up the answer to 3, 2 or 1 decimal place
where as 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 =1
It aproaches two but never reaches two - it's like zeno's arrow paradox - you're always adding half the distance between the current value and 2, so there's always a gap (the other half of the difference).some_random_panda wrote:
How doesn't it? Try it (it involves infinite theory, by the way).Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Your sums are wrong - 0+1+1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16... does not =2 and so on...some_random_panda wrote:
Meh. If we're going to play with infinity, I'll throw in my old question.
Say, you have infinite number of columns leading down of infinite numbers in this pattern and infinite rows of infinite numbers leading across in this pattern...
0 1 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16... =2
-1 0 1 1/2 1/4 1/8... =1
-1/2 -1 0 1 1/2 1/4... =1/2
-1/4 -1/2 -1 0 1 1/2... =1/4
-1/8 -1/4 -1/2 -1 0 1... =1/8
. . . . . . .
. . . . . . .
. . . . . . =4
=-2 =-1 =-1/2 =-1/4 =-1/8 =-1/16... -----> =-4
yet the table clearly equals 0!
Anyone know why if you add it horizontally, vertically or as a concept that it is different?
And to those who posted in my original thread, NO POSTING.
0.3333333... however, equals 1/3
Exactly. Welcome to infinity theorem, where the 'very close' is discarded and accepted 'as is'. It's a bit confusing to start off with.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
It aproaches two but never reaches two - it's like zeno's arrow paradox - you're always adding half the distance between the current value and 2, so there's always a gap (the other half of the difference).some_random_panda wrote:
How doesn't it? Try it (it involves infinite theory, by the way).Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Your sums are wrong - 0+1+1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16... does not =2 and so on...
no it doesnt, it is however the closest you can get to 1/3Poppa Bear wrote:
0.3333333... however, equals 1/3
The answer is not two, the answer approaches the limit of two. I could dig out my differential equations text from college, and copy the explanation, but I'm too tired and lazy.some_random_panda wrote:
Meh. If we're going to play with infinity, I'll throw in my old question.
Say, you have infinite number of columns leading down of infinite numbers in this pattern and infinite rows of infinite numbers leading across in this pattern...
0 1 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16... =2
-1 0 1 1/2 1/4 1/8... =1
-1/2 -1 0 1 1/2 1/4... =1/2
-1/4 -1/2 -1 0 1 1/2... =1/4
-1/8 -1/4 -1/2 -1 0 1... =1/8
. . . . . . .
. . . . . . .
. . . . . . =4
=-2 =-1 =-1/2 =-1/4 =-1/8 =-1/16... -----> =-4
yet the table clearly equals 0!
Anyone know why if you add it horizontally, vertically or as a concept that it is different?
And to those who posted in my original thread, NO POSTING.
Infinite numbers do indeed exist, they're just beyond the realm of ordinary mathematics. Dealing with infinte numbers, and the complexities they add, is one of the goals of calculus.petermassingale wrote:
Almost impossible to explain.weasel_thingo wrote:
a better way to prove math wrong is teh 0.99999999 reocuring =1
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x=0.9 . x10
10x=9.9 -x
9x=9 /9
1x=1
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the reason why that is wrong i think is because you are using 0.9 as a finite value, someone fill me in on this.
But here's my explanation.
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Infinite numbers don't really exist. So 0.9 repeated for ever is 1.
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It's like saying 1/9 is 0.1
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then 2/9 is 0.2
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then 3/9 is 0.3
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then 4/9 is 0.4
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then 5/9 is 0.5
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then 6/9 is 0.6
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then 7/9 is 0.7
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then 8/9 is 0.8
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then 9/9 is 0.9
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But any 5 year old could tell you 9/9 is one. So on the basis of that 0.9=1
It's really hard to explain. That was the best I could do. meh
Well, then infinity theorem is just arse.some_random_panda wrote:
Exactly. Welcome to infinity theorem, where the 'very close' is discarded and accepted 'as is'. It's a bit confusing to start off with.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
It aproaches two but never reaches two - it's like zeno's arrow paradox - you're always adding half the distance between the current value and 2, so there's always a gap (the other half of the difference).some_random_panda wrote:
How doesn't it? Try it (it involves infinite theory, by the way).
Anything that says 'very close' is the same as 'the same as' is just complete and utter arse.
Ugh I hate this old riddle. Proof that whoever made it cannot add and is a dumbass.Andoura wrote:
Here the proof math are false:
3 guys goes to an hotel, it will cost 30$ for one night. So they each pay 10$ which makes 30$. Few hours later the receptionist realized it was 25$ for the night, so he have to give them back 5$. But 5$ in 3 is hard, so he decide to give them back 1$ each and keep 2$ for him. So each guy payed 9$ what makes a total of 27$. Add to those 27$ you add the 2$ of the receptionist which makes 29$...
Wheres the last dollar?
theirs no illusion, fake statement or stuff like that!
No, it's proof that Andoura is dumbass because he didn't figure it out!Canadian_Sniper_X wrote:
Ugh I hate this old riddle. Proof that whoever made it cannot add and is a dumbass.Andoura wrote:
Here the proof math are false:
3 guys goes to an hotel, it will cost 30$ for one night. So they each pay 10$ which makes 30$. Few hours later the receptionist realized it was 25$ for the night, so he have to give them back 5$. But 5$ in 3 is hard, so he decide to give them back 1$ each and keep 2$ for him. So each guy payed 9$ what makes a total of 27$. Add to those 27$ you add the 2$ of the receptionist which makes 29$...
Wheres the last dollar?
theirs no illusion, fake statement or stuff like that!
x = 0.9 *10weasel_thingo wrote:
a better way to prove math wrong is teh 0.99999999 reocuring =1
.
x=0.9 . x10
10x=9.9 -x
9x=9 /9
1x=1
.
the reason why that is wrong i think is because you are using 0.9 as a finite value, someone fill me in on this.
10x = 9 -x ( 10*.9 = 9 not 9.9 )
9x = 8.1 /9
x = 0.9
The dot over the numbers means reoccurring.elstonieo wrote:
x = 0.9 *10weasel_thingo wrote:
a better way to prove math wrong is teh 0.99999999 reocuring =1
.
x=0.9 . x10
10x=9.9 -x
9x=9 /9
1x=1
.
the reason why that is wrong i think is because you are using 0.9 as a finite value, someone fill me in on this.
10x = 9 -x ( 10*.9 = 9 not 9.9 )
9x = 8.1 /9
x = 0.9
.elstonieo wrote:
x = 0.9 *10weasel_thingo wrote:
a better way to prove math wrong is teh 0.99999999 reocuring =1
.
x=0.9 . x10
10x=9.9 -x
9x=9 /9
1x=1
.
the reason why that is wrong i think is because you are using 0.9 as a finite value, someone fill me in on this.
10x = 9 -x ( 10*.9 = 9 not 9.9 )
9x = 8.1 /9
x = 0.9
0.9
Last edited by weasel_thingo (2007-06-27 02:23:50)
There is no reason to add the 2$ to the 27$.
You carnt just add two things and expect it to make sense.
3*10=30 original
9*3-2=25$ (minus two as given away)
You carnt just add two things and expect it to make sense.
3*10=30 original
9*3-2=25$ (minus two as given away)
The MAN got it.....
so what does the fact that one guy can't add mean in comparison to several guys that haven't heard of "rounding" ?
Well, Einstein's theory was close, but ultimately wrong, and yet it served the purposes of the time.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Well, then infinity theorem is just arse.some_random_panda wrote:
Exactly. Welcome to infinity theorem, where the 'very close' is discarded and accepted 'as is'. It's a bit confusing to start off with.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
It aproaches two but never reaches two - it's like zeno's arrow paradox - you're always adding half the distance between the current value and 2, so there's always a gap (the other half of the difference).
Anything that says 'very close' is the same as 'the same as' is just complete and utter arse.
Calculus too works on the assumption that you can get so close to two points that they become one and therefore you get the gradient. Same with infinity.blisteringsilence wrote:
The answer is not two, the answer approaches the limit of two. I could dig out my differential equations text from college, and copy the explanation, but I'm too tired and lazy.some_random_panda wrote:
Meh. If we're going to play with infinity, I'll throw in my old question.
Say, you have infinite number of columns leading down of infinite numbers in this pattern and infinite rows of infinite numbers leading across in this pattern...
0 1 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16... =2
-1 0 1 1/2 1/4 1/8... =1
-1/2 -1 0 1 1/2 1/4... =1/2
-1/4 -1/2 -1 0 1 1/2... =1/4
-1/8 -1/4 -1/2 -1 0 1... =1/8
. . . . . . .
. . . . . . .
. . . . . . =4
=-2 =-1 =-1/2 =-1/4 =-1/8 =-1/16... -----> =-4
yet the table clearly equals 0!
Anyone know why if you add it horizontally, vertically or as a concept that it is different?
And to those who posted in my original thread, NO POSTING.
By the way, this has been confirmed by three of my friends, one of which represented Australia in the International Mathematics Olympiad (and got a bronze, I think?), one of which received almost full marks in Specialist Mathematics, and one who studies (and researches) this for a living . It'd be kind of unfortunate if they all got it wrong.
Last edited by some_random_panda (2007-06-27 02:38:21)
Oh no, here we go again.
Another jumbo jet on a treadmill scenario.....
Another jumbo jet on a treadmill scenario.....
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
They did. It's ARSE. 'almost' is not 'the same as' whichever way you look at it.some_random_panda wrote:
Well, Einstein's theory was close, but ultimately wrong, and yet it served the purposes of the time.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Well, then infinity theorem is just arse.some_random_panda wrote:
Exactly. Welcome to infinity theorem, where the 'very close' is discarded and accepted 'as is'. It's a bit confusing to start off with.
Anything that says 'very close' is the same as 'the same as' is just complete and utter arse.Calculus too works on the assumption that you can get so close to two points that they become one and therefore you get the gradient. Same with infinity.blisteringsilence wrote:
The answer is not two, the answer approaches the limit of two. I could dig out my differential equations text from college, and copy the explanation, but I'm too tired and lazy.some_random_panda wrote:
Meh. If we're going to play with infinity, I'll throw in my old question.
Say, you have infinite number of columns leading down of infinite numbers in this pattern and infinite rows of infinite numbers leading across in this pattern...
0 1 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16... =2
-1 0 1 1/2 1/4 1/8... =1
-1/2 -1 0 1 1/2 1/4... =1/2
-1/4 -1/2 -1 0 1 1/2... =1/4
-1/8 -1/4 -1/2 -1 0 1... =1/8
. . . . . . .
. . . . . . .
. . . . . . =4
=-2 =-1 =-1/2 =-1/4 =-1/8 =-1/16... -----> =-4
yet the table clearly equals 0!
Anyone know why if you add it horizontally, vertically or as a concept that it is different?
And to those who posted in my original thread, NO POSTING.
By the way, this has been confirmed by three of my friends, one of which represented Australia in the International Mathematics Olympiad (and got a bronze, I think?), one of which received almost full marks in Specialist Mathematics, and one who studies (and researches) this for a living . It'd be kind of unfortunate if they all got it wrong.
It may be useful arse, but it's arse non the less.
Have you people ever even studied math?!weasel_thingo wrote:
0.3333 isnt 1/3Gawwad wrote:
1/3 = ~0.3333weasel_thingo wrote:
yea but teh reason it = 1 in that equation is because it is used as a finite value
1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1
->
0.33333 + 0.33333 + 0.33333 =1
That is it. You can't argue about mathematical truths.
This was discussed before in a 15 page long thred so just live with it!
nuff said
~0.3333 means that it recurs, thus the ~ as 'about'
0.9999...9 = 1 and YOU CANNOT PROVE IT WRONG WITH MATH.
End of discussion, I wont reply back as I should be working and if you don't get it now, you never will.
Edit: don't be smart ass about the 0.333's
Last edited by Gawwad (2007-06-27 03:16:02)
yes it is about 1/3 that doesnt make it 1/3 so you cant use it in an equation as 1/3 and have teh exact correct answer.Gawwad wrote:
Have you people ever even studied math?!weasel_thingo wrote:
0.3333 isnt 1/3Gawwad wrote:
1/3 = ~0.3333
1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1
->
0.33333 + 0.33333 + 0.33333 =1
That is it. You can't argue about mathematical truths.
This was discussed before in a 15 page long thred so just live with it!
nuff said
~0.3333 means that it recurs, thus the ~ as 'about'
0.9999...9 = 1 and YOU CANNOT PROVE IT WRONG WITH MATH.
End of discussion, I wont reply back as I should be working and if you don't get it now, you never will.
Edit: don't be smart ass about the 0.333's
Jesus christ this thread went from simple adding to freaking Algabra. WHAT THE HELL GUYS!
Ok people no more math... It be giving me a headache...
Andoura needs more things to fill his day.