blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|7146|Little Rock, Arkansas

Jenspm wrote:

-=raska=- wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

We discussed this in that other thread, and in math 0.999~ = 1.
In Nature, 0.999~  =/=  1

Math is human made, not made by nature.



I believe that is the conclusion we came to last time.
Even in nature, 0.999~ =  1. There is no difference between nature and maths when nature incorporates math phenomenons. Why should the answer differ ? We have several algebric proofs that 0.999~ = 1. You probably think that 0.99~ =/= 1 in nature because its hard to find a phenomenon where 0.999~ exists. But when it is there, its 1 !
Does infinity exist in Nature?
Both Phi and the Fibonacci numbers can be found numerous places in nature.
Obiwan
Go Cards !!
+196|7139|The Ville

_1_MAN-ARMY.17 wrote:

receptionist acts smart as he put 1$ on his pocket
He/she kept the buck and bought a coke from the vending machine.
liquidat0r
wtf.
+2,223|7072|UK
Each guy pays $9.
The total in the till is now $27.
The receptionist takes $2.
That leaves $25 in the till, 1 with each man, (making 3) and 2 with the receptionist. That's 25 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 = 30.


Andoura wrote:

Wheres the last dollar?
The receptionist has the last two dollars.

---

*wonders if he just made a very obvious mistake*
-=raska=-
Canada's French Frog
+123|7070|Quebec city, Canada

blisteringsilence wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

-=raska=- wrote:

Even in nature, 0.999~ =  1. There is no difference between nature and maths when nature incorporates math phenomenons. Why should the answer differ ? We have several algebric proofs that 0.999~ = 1. You probably think that 0.99~ =/= 1 in nature because its hard to find a phenomenon where 0.999~ exists. But when it is there, its 1 !
Does infinity exist in Nature?
Both Phi and the Fibonacci numbers can be found numerous places in nature.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … occoli.jpg
Romanesco Brocoli, which is a fractal, that is a theoric representation of infinity and square root of -1.
Of course, in practice its not a real fractal due to biological reasons, cells, etc..

Last edited by -=raska=- (2007-06-27 12:36:47)

liquidat0r
wtf.
+2,223|7072|UK

liquidat0r wrote:

Each guy pays $9.
The total in the till is now $27.
The receptionist takes $2.
That leaves $25 in the till, 1 with each man, (making 3) and 2 with the receptionist. That's 25 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 = 30.


Andoura wrote:

Wheres the last dollar?
The receptionist has the last two dollars.

---

*wonders if he just made a very obvious mistake*
Am I right or what?
I0973
Member
+1|6598
people say stuff like

.33333~ = 1/3 so...
.33333~ X 3 = .99999~
and that 1/3 X 3 = 1

but... if .9999~ = 1 then....

.333333~ = .34 and .34 x 3 doesnt equal .99999~ so .999999~ cant = 1???

~ = recurring




[edit] Algebra

[edit] Fractions
One reason that infinite decimals are a necessary extension of finite decimals is to represent fractions. Using long division, a simple division of integers like 1⁄3 becomes a recurring decimal, 0.333…, in which the digits repeat without end. This decimal yields a quick proof for 0.999… = 1. Multiplication of 3 times 3 produces 9 in each digit, so 3 × 0.333… equals 0.999…. And 3 × 1⁄3 equals 1, so .[9]

Another form of this proof multiplies 1/9 = 0.111… by 9.

- from wiki


.333~ = .34 so 1/3 doesnt = .333 , assuming .999~ = 1

Last edited by I0973 (2007-06-27 12:50:29)

acsman50
a cut below the rest
+7|6972|Northern Ireland
Wise up your comparing apples with oranges while changing horses in mid-stream.
Yaocelotl
:D
+221|7095|Keyboard
I LOL how people break their heads to a simple answer, and how the OP skips fractional numers.
Yaocelotl
:D
+221|7095|Keyboard

twiistaaa wrote:

how is this even a problem?

$25 plus $3 returned = $28, $28 + $2 = $30

they never pay $27 or $9. they always pay $25 or $8.3 each. $8.3 x 3 = 25

the missing dollar is the .3 x 3 and we know that they still have $1 in their pocket each and the other guy has $2.
This guy solved it.
irishtop
Hopscotch Champion
+11|6607|Houston, Texas
to those who are going between decimals and fractions and say well 1/3 x 3 = 1 but .333~ x3 = .999~, assuming 1/3 = .333~ the decimals just are an imperfect way of expressing the fraction. The more exact answer will always be a fraction and therefore a decimal must be adjusted accordingly to meet the product of a fractional equation. That i think is the simplest way to explain this.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7187|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
there is no missing $1 - they paid $9 each total including the $2 tip. You don't add 2 + 27 = 29, you subtract 2 from 27 = 25
can't believe some of the answers lol..

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2007-06-27 18:13:23)

Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7006
How is this still going?
weasel_thingo
Member
+74|6771

Bubbalo wrote:

How is this still going?
well it wasnt for an hour..... untill you bumped it and im bumping it again by saying this
geNius
..!.,
+144|6887|SoCal

Andoura wrote:

twiistaaa wrote:

how is this even a problem?

$25 plus $3 returned = $28, $28 + $2 = $30

they never pay $27 or $9. they always pay $25 or $8.3 each. $8.3 x 3 = 25

the missing dollar is the .3 x 3 and we know that they still have $1 in their pocket each and the other guy has $2.
look they all payd 10$ in 1st when the manager give them back 1$ each it means they payd 9$ ... wich is 9 * 3 = 27 then the manager took 2$ for him wich makes 27 + 2 = 29 !!!!


Dont try to change things lool
It sounds like you're the only one here who doesn't get it.
https://srejects.com/genius/srejects.png
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7006

weasel_thingo wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

How is this still going?
well it wasnt for an hour..... untill you bumped it and im bumping it again by saying this
The text was bolded, I count it as going.
Smithereener
Member
+138|6760|California

I0973 wrote:

people say stuff like

.33333~ = 1/3 so...
.33333~ X 3 = .99999~
and that 1/3 X 3 = 1

but... if .9999~ = 1 then....

.333333~ = .34 and .34 x 3 doesnt equal .99999~ so .999999~ cant = 1???

~ = recurring




[edit] Algebra

[edit] Fractions
One reason that infinite decimals are a necessary extension of finite decimals is to represent fractions. Using long division, a simple division of integers like 1⁄3 becomes a recurring decimal, 0.333…, in which the digits repeat without end. This decimal yields a quick proof for 0.999… = 1. Multiplication of 3 times 3 produces 9 in each digit, so 3 × 0.333… equals 0.999…. And 3 × 1⁄3 equals 1, so .[9]

Another form of this proof multiplies 1/9 = 0.111… by 9.

- from wiki


.333~ = .34 so 1/3 doesnt = .333 , assuming .999~ = 1
Hold up. How is .333~ rounded to .34? That makes no sense.
Yaocelotl
:D
+221|7095|Keyboard

Smithereener wrote:

I0973 wrote:

people say stuff like

.33333~ = 1/3 so...
.33333~ X 3 = .99999~
and that 1/3 X 3 = 1

but... if .9999~ = 1 then....

.333333~ = .34 and .34 x 3 doesnt equal .99999~ so .999999~ cant = 1???

~ = recurring




[edit] Algebra

[edit] Fractions
One reason that infinite decimals are a necessary extension of finite decimals is to represent fractions. Using long division, a simple division of integers like 1⁄3 becomes a recurring decimal, 0.333…, in which the digits repeat without end. This decimal yields a quick proof for 0.999… = 1. Multiplication of 3 times 3 produces 9 in each digit, so 3 × 0.333… equals 0.999…. And 3 × 1⁄3 equals 1, so .[9]

Another form of this proof multiplies 1/9 = 0.111… by 9.

- from wiki


.333~ = .34 so 1/3 doesnt = .333 , assuming .999~ = 1
Hold up. How is .333~ rounded to .34? That makes no sense.
No one cares anymore, the "problem" was solved long ago, go to sleep.
Smithereener
Member
+138|6760|California

Yaocelotl wrote:

Smithereener wrote:

I0973 wrote:

people say stuff like

.33333~ = 1/3 so...
.33333~ X 3 = .99999~
and that 1/3 X 3 = 1

but... if .9999~ = 1 then....

.333333~ = .34 and .34 x 3 doesnt equal .99999~ so .999999~ cant = 1???

~ = recurring




[edit] Algebra

[edit] Fractions
One reason that infinite decimals are a necessary extension of finite decimals is to represent fractions. Using long division, a simple division of integers like 1⁄3 becomes a recurring decimal, 0.333…, in which the digits repeat without end. This decimal yields a quick proof for 0.999… = 1. Multiplication of 3 times 3 produces 9 in each digit, so 3 × 0.333… equals 0.999…. And 3 × 1⁄3 equals 1, so .[9]

Another form of this proof multiplies 1/9 = 0.111… by 9.

- from wiki


.333~ = .34 so 1/3 doesnt = .333 , assuming .999~ = 1
Hold up. How is .333~ rounded to .34? That makes no sense.
No one cares anymore, the "problem" was solved long ago, go to sleep.
Someone does care - me. And I know, there was a thread about the problem a few months ago. Went on for like 12+ pages till it got closed. But my post wasn't about the .99999~=1 problem. I just wanted to know this guy's reasoning for .3333~ being rounded to .34.
blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|7146|Little Rock, Arkansas

Smithereener wrote:

Yaocelotl wrote:

Smithereener wrote:


Hold up. How is .333~ rounded to .34? That makes no sense.
No one cares anymore, the "problem" was solved long ago, go to sleep.
Someone does care - me. And I know, there was a thread about the problem a few months ago. Went on for like 12+ pages till it got closed. But my post wasn't about the .99999~=1 problem. I just wanted to know this guy's reasoning for .3333~ being rounded to .34.
Worse math than average.
BVC
Member
+325|7140
$30 for a hotel room suggests they're either in a third world hotel, or paying by the hour.  Three guys paying for one hour in a hotel room, makes you wonder...
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|7139|San Francisco
x, y, z pay $10 each.

$30 paid so far.

Manager gives x, y, and z $1 back.

$30 - $3 = $27

Manager keeps $2 to himself from initial $30.

$27 - $2 = $25.

$25 = proper cost of Hotel.  Problem solved.

It just comes down to semantics and how you frame the problem, bordering on relativity.  It depends on how you look at it; the riddle involves throwing you for a loop by adding in the $9 each deal, when that clearly isn't the case.  It's what it could *seem* to have been paid, but the Manager doesn't have $27.  He has $30 to start with prior to the change.
Blehm98
conservative hatemonger
+150|6908|meh-land
what happens if $4.50 suddenly appears after being vomited from a dimensional gate.  How does that change things.  I donno, but it would definitely be wierd

discuss
blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|7146|Little Rock, Arkansas

Blehm98 wrote:

what happens if $4.50 suddenly appears after being vomited from a dimensional gate.  How does that change things.  I donno, but it would definitely be wierd

discuss
Compression of time relative to c?
i3igpete
Support Specialist
+6|6957
suppose x = .999.... 
then 10x = 9.999....
10x - x = 9x = 9.999... - .999... = 9
9x = 9
x = 1 = .999...

therefore, .999... = 1

Last edited by i3igpete (2007-06-28 00:19:46)

Blehm98
conservative hatemonger
+150|6908|meh-land
It works, but only if .99999.... suggests taht there is an infinite amount of 9s, which, according to many different things that i forgot, is so close to 1 that it can be considered there.  It is, in fact, infinitely close to 1, without being there...

the moment however, that it is no longer an infinite number of numbers, it is no longer infinitely close, and therefore it is not close enough to be exact.  And as such it deviates from the above formula, although it still can get pretty close

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