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CommieChipmunk wrote:

hmm.. well, it would probably easier to go grab a 150 gb sata drive and just put XP on that and wait for SP1 for vista.  Could I have two HDDs both masters and choose which one I wanted to boot off of without unplugging and replugging sata cables every time I want to start the computer?

Microsoft wrote:

Can I repartition my hard disk?
   
Applies to all editions of Windows Vista.
Which edition of Windows Vista am I using?

You must be logged on as an administrator to perform these steps.

Yes. It's possible in this version of Windows to repartition your hard disk by using the Shrink feature in Disk Management. You can shrink an existing partition or volume to create unallocated disk space, from which you can create a new partition or volume. (Often, the terms partition and volume are used interchangeably.)
   
   
1.     Open Computer Management by clicking the Start button Picture of the Start button, clicking Control Panel, clicking System and Maintenance, clicking Administrative Tools, and then double-clicking Computer Management.‌ Administrator permission required If you are prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.
2.     In the Navigation pane, under Storage, click Disk Management.
3.     Right-click the volume you want to shrink, and then click Shrink Volume.
4.     Follow the instructions on your screen.

For detailed information on how to shrink a volume, open Disk Management, click Help on the menu bar, click Help Topics, click the Contents tab, click Disk Management: Welcome, click Manage Basic Volumes, and then click Shrink a Basic Volume.
Notes

    * If you have multiple partitions on your hard disk, you can delete and create partitions from the resulting unallocated space. When you delete a partition, all data on the partition will be erased.
    * You can also repartition hard disks with a third-party partitioning program. Several third-party manufacturers offer programs that allow you to repartition your hard disk without erasing data.

^(Source)

Microsoft wrote:

Install more than one operating system (multi-boot)
   
Applies to all editions of Windows Vista.
Which edition of Windows Vista am I using?

When you install the new version of Windows, you can keep an older version of Windows on your computer. This is often called a multiboot or dual-boot configuration.

Before you begin: Make sure that your hard disk has a separate partition for each operating system that you want to install, or that your computer has multiple hard disks. Otherwise, you will either have to reformat and repartition your hard disk or install the new operating system on a separate hard disk. Also, make sure that the partition or disk where you plan to install the new version of Windows is formatted with the NTFS file system. To create and format a partition, see Create and format a hard disk partition.
        Reformatting and repartitioning your hard disk deletes all information on that disk. If you are running a previous version of Windows and want to partition your hard disk without reformatting it, use disk partitioning software, which is available from various manufacturers. Some disk partitioning software allows you to keep your information. If you’re already running the most recent version of Windows and want to partition your hard disk, see Can I repartition my hard disk? Before installing Windows, be sure to disable all anti-virus software and back up your files to an external hard disk, a CD or DVD, a USB flash drive, or a network folder.   
   
   
1.     Turn on the computer running your current edition of Windows, and then insert the installation disc into the computer's CD or DVD drive.
2.     On the Install Windows menu, click Install now.
3.     On the Get important updates for installation page, we recommend getting the latest updates to help ensure a successful installation and to help protect your computer against security threats. You must be connected to the Internet to receive installation updates. This page might not appear if your computer is not connected to the Internet.
4.     On the Type your product key for activation page, we strongly recommend that you type your 25-character product key to help avoid problems during activation.
5.     On the Please read the license terms page, if you accept the license terms, click I accept the license terms.
6.     On the Which type of installation do you want? page, click Custom.
7.     On the Where do you want to install Windows page, select the partition or disk where you want to install the new Windows operating system.
8.     Click Next to begin the installation. You might see a compatibility report.
Notes

    * To set up a multi-boot configuration on a computer that does not yet have an operating system, partition the hard disk so each operating system you want to install has a partition, and begin by installing the oldest operating system first.
    * Any programs and drivers that you want to use must be installed on each operating system that you want to use them in.

^(Source)

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2007-06-26 20:37:22)

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

hmm.. well, it would probably easier to go grab a 150 gb sata drive and just put XP on that and wait for SP1 for vista.  Could I have two HDDs both masters and choose which one I wanted to boot off of without unplugging and replugging sata cables every time I want to start the computer?

Yes, you could indeed run XP of a second HDD, and yes this will avoid a reinstall.

Again, you could also partition that drive - say to install both XP and Vista, or to create a separate data partition as I suggested.

AHA! I've just discovered, with Vista you don't even need to reinstall!

Microsoft wrote:

Can I repartition my hard disk?
   
Applies to all editions of Windows Vista.
Which edition of Windows Vista am I using?

You must be logged on as an administrator to perform these steps.

Yes. It's possible in this version of Windows to repartition your hard disk by using the Shrink feature in Disk Management. You can shrink an existing partition or volume to create unallocated disk space, from which you can create a new partition or volume. (Often, the terms partition and volume are used interchangeably.)
   
   
1.     Open Computer Management by clicking the Start button Picture of the Start button, clicking Control Panel, clicking System and Maintenance, clicking Administrative Tools, and then double-clicking Computer Management.‌ Administrator permission required If you are prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.
2.     In the Navigation pane, under Storage, click Disk Management.
3.     Right-click the volume you want to shrink, and then click Shrink Volume.
4.     Follow the instructions on your screen.

For detailed information on how to shrink a volume, open Disk Management, click Help on the menu bar, click Help Topics, click the Contents tab, click Disk Management: Welcome, click Manage Basic Volumes, and then click Shrink a Basic Volume.
Notes

    * If you have multiple partitions on your hard disk, you can delete and create partitions from the resulting unallocated space. When you delete a partition, all data on the partition will be erased.
    * You can also repartition hard disks with a third-party partitioning program. Several third-party manufacturers offer programs that allow you to repartition your hard disk without erasing data.

^(Source)

Then you need to create each other OS/data partition you want - I can't find instructions for exactly how to do this in Vista, but in XP, in the Disk Management tool, you just right click on the unallocated space and select 'New Partition'...

then, you can:

Microsoft wrote:

Install more than one operating system (multi-boot)
   
Applies to all editions of Windows Vista.
Which edition of Windows Vista am I using?

When you install the new version of Windows, you can keep an older version of Windows on your computer. This is often called a multiboot or dual-boot configuration.

Before you begin: Make sure that your hard disk has a separate partition for each operating system that you want to install, or that your computer has multiple hard disks. Otherwise, you will either have to reformat and repartition your hard disk or install the new operating system on a separate hard disk. Also, make sure that the partition or disk where you plan to install the new version of Windows is formatted with the NTFS file system. To create and format a partition, see Create and format a hard disk partition.
        Reformatting and repartitioning your hard disk deletes all information on that disk. If you are running a previous version of Windows and want to partition your hard disk without reformatting it, use disk partitioning software, which is available from various manufacturers. Some disk partitioning software allows you to keep your information. If you’re already running the most recent version of Windows and want to partition your hard disk, see Can I repartition my hard disk? Before installing Windows, be sure to disable all anti-virus software and back up your files to an external hard disk, a CD or DVD, a USB flash drive, or a network folder.   
   
   
1.     Turn on the computer running your current edition of Windows, and then insert the installation disc into the computer's CD or DVD drive.
2.     On the Install Windows menu, click Install now.
3.     On the Get important updates for installation page, we recommend getting the latest updates to help ensure a successful installation and to help protect your computer against security threats. You must be connected to the Internet to receive installation updates. This page might not appear if your computer is not connected to the Internet.
4.     On the Type your product key for activation page, we strongly recommend that you type your 25-character product key to help avoid problems during activation.
5.     On the Please read the license terms page, if you accept the license terms, click I accept the license terms.
6.     On the Which type of installation do you want? page, click Custom.
7.     On the Where do you want to install Windows page, select the partition or disk where you want to install the new Windows operating system.
8.     Click Next to begin the installation. You might see a compatibility report.
Notes

    * To set up a multi-boot configuration on a computer that does not yet have an operating system, partition the hard disk so each operating system you want to install has a partition, and begin by installing the oldest operating system first.
    * Any programs and drivers that you want to use must be installed on each operating system that you want to use them in.

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(That's all for Vista - installation to a different partition is similar in XP - during the blue dos-mode set-up screens you get the option to select the install partition).

Yaocelotl wrote:

UbuntuFTW

Last edited by CommieChipmunk (2007-06-26 22:31:03)

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6810/untitledjd4.jpg

Now you just need to create another partition - right click where it says 'Unallocated' and select 'New Partition'...

(and if you haven't got the hint already - if you value any of your data files, I'd recommend making two - one for XP/32bit Vista, one for data)

CommieChipmunk wrote:

shit.. now should I install XP or Vista 32 bit... I'd have to take out a gig of ram regardless.. damn

NO! <*sigh*> 32bit windows (whether it's Vista or XP) [big][huge][emphasis]DOES[/emphasis][/huge][/big] support 4GB of physical RAM.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-06-27 05:20:06)

CommieChipmunk wrote:

when I right click it says "new simple volume" is that what I'm looking for to create a new partition?

Bertster7 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

when I right click it says "new simple volume" is that what I'm looking for to create a new partition?

On the unallocated space? If so, then yes.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6810/untitledjd4.jpg

Now you just need to create another partition - right click where it says 'Unallocated' and select 'New Partition'...

(and if you haven't got the hint already - if you value any of your data files, I'd recommend making two - one for XP/32bit Vista, one for data)


NO! <*sigh*> 32bit windows (whether it's Vista or XP) [big][huge][emphasis]DOES[/emphasis][/huge][/big] support 4GB of physical RAM.

No it doesn't.

You can't access 4GB of physical memory within a 32-bit OS - simple as that. The CPU can't address it. It is limited to 4GB of logical memory space and you have to subtract IO addresses from that to get the total amount of physical memory supported. You can have 4GB in there, but you won't be able to access all of it.

It supports 4GB of logical RAM. Stop calling it physical RAM, that's just plain wrong. You can put 4GB of physical RAM in and it will use all of the DIMMs, but not all the space on all of them.

I'm sorry Bertster you are the one getting his terms mixed up.

The IO addressing is all handled between the OS and the BIOS - these do have access to the full 4GB of physical RAM.

Once the OS and BIOS have sorted out IO addressing, there will then be around 3GB (or so) left for Windows and apps to use.

Now, each application also gets a 4GB logical address space. Windows splits this between the remaining available physical RAM and the virtual RAM file on your HDD.

Bertster7 wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

No it doesn't.

You can't access 4GB of physical memory within a 32-bit OS - simple as that. The CPU can't address it. It is limited to 4GB of logical memory space and you have to subtract IO addresses from that to get the total amount of physical memory supported. You can have 4GB in there, but you won't be able to access all of it.

It supports 4GB of logical RAM. Stop calling it physical RAM, that's just plain wrong. You can put 4GB of physical RAM in and it will use all of the DIMMs, but not all the space on all of them.

I'm sorry Bertster you are the one getting his terms mixed up.

The IO addressing is all handled between the OS and the BIOS - these do have access to the full 4GB of physical RAM.

Once the OS and BIOS have sorted out IO addressing, there will then be around 3GB (or so) left for Windows and apps to use.

Now, each application also gets a 4GB logical address space. Windows splits this between the remaining available physical RAM and the virtual RAM file on your HDD.

That's just not true.

The CPU must be able to identify each individual memory location, to do this each location must have a unique address. The fact that the OS and the BIOS have access to the full 4GB of physical RAM is completely irrelevant, since the CPU can't see it - only the available logical addresses, which includes the IO addressing (since the CPU needs to be able to access IO devices and memory). Therefore the total amount of memory available is 4GB of logical memory. Any virtual memory is simply handled through a page management system - with no pages exceeding the maximum addressable size by the CPU. The OS can't do anything without the CPU, so if the CPU can't see it - it isn't there.

You can put 4GB of physical RAM in a 32-bit system, it just won't all be used. Some of the physical RAM will be unavailable.

Intel wrote:

2.1.3 The Intel386™ Processor (1985)
The Intel386 processor was the first 32-bit processor in the IA-32 architecture family.
It introduced 32-bit registers for use both to hold operands and for addressing. The
lower half of each 32-bit Intel386 register retains the properties of the 16-bit registers
of earlier generations, permitting backward compatibility. The processor also
provides a virtual-8086 mode that allows for even greater efficiency when executing
programs created for 8086/8088 processors.
In addition, the Intel386 processor has support for:
• A 32-bit address bus that supports up to 4-GBytes of physical memory
• A segmented-memory model and a flat memory model
• Paging, with a fixed 4-KByte page size providing a method for virtual memory
management
• Support for parallel stages

^{(Source(page 34))}

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2007-06-27 20:11:27)

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

I'm sorry Bertster you are the one getting his terms mixed up.

The IO addressing is all handled between the OS and the BIOS - these do have access to the full 4GB of physical RAM.

Once the OS and BIOS have sorted out IO addressing, there will then be around 3GB (or so) left for Windows and apps to use.

Now, each application also gets a 4GB logical address space. Windows splits this between the remaining available physical RAM and the virtual RAM file on your HDD.

That's just not true.

The CPU must be able to identify each individual memory location, to do this each location must have a unique address. The fact that the OS and the BIOS have access to the full 4GB of physical RAM is completely irrelevant, since the CPU can't see it - only the available logical addresses, which includes the IO addressing (since the CPU needs to be able to access IO devices and memory). Therefore the total amount of memory available is 4GB of logical memory. Any virtual memory is simply handled through a page management system - with no pages exceeding the maximum addressable size by the CPU. The OS can't do anything without the CPU, so if the CPU can't see it - it isn't there.

You can put 4GB of physical RAM in a 32-bit system, it just won't all be used. Some of the physical RAM will be unavailable.

Will you please haul your ass into the 21st century!

Intel wrote:

2.1.3 The Intel386™ Processor (1985)
The Intel386 processor was the first 32-bit processor in the IA-32 architecture family.
It introduced 32-bit registers for use both to hold operands and for addressing. The
lower half of each 32-bit Intel386 register retains the properties of the 16-bit registers
of earlier generations, permitting backward compatibility. The processor also
provides a virtual-8086 mode that allows for even greater efficiency when executing
programs created for 8086/8088 processors.
In addition, the Intel386 processor has support for:
• A 32-bit address bus that supports up to 4-GBytes of physical memory
• A segmented-memory model and a flat memory model
• Paging, with a fixed 4-KByte page size providing a method for virtual memory
management
• Support for parallel stages

^{(Source(page 34))}

Intel386! 1985! "A 32-bit address bus"! "supports up to 4-GBytes of physical memory"!

I rest my case.

=[AUT]-[phoenix]= wrote:

Zimmer wrote:

Damn. I may have to go buy the 64-bit version.

just wait till the first service pack is out....at the moment most of the drivers suck....