BF2S Forums Civil Rights Australia?

Spark wrote:

namsdrawkcaB wrote:

ozghost wrote:

has about the same to do with it as ur rascism and ignorance is needed in this thread.

how am i racist? lol wtf..

If you don't know how that's racist...

Gee...

Think of a six letter word. Starts with N.

isnt that offensive but not actually racist as racism is saying something about one race being better/superior than another?
im not sure but i remember hearing that somewhere, i dont think it is right but it was just something someone told me.

racism
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

ozghost wrote:

Once you’ve implied something insulting about someone based on the person’s race, or insultingly attributed a characteristic to the person’s race in general, that’s a racist insult.

yeah thats basicaly what i thought, just someone told me what i said before and i was like hmmm, but never really thought it was true.

This has gone beyond civil rights, the Aboriginal people have been given every chance to grow and develop at their own rate under their own leaders and it has failed dramatically. The Aboriginal people do get more from welfare than the non-aboriginal population, they get extra for housing, Abstudy, family benefits (this from my girlfriend who works in centerlink)... maybe that is the problem they can get a better living from welfare than actually going to work. I know from personal experience working in various outback areas including the NT that you try to hire from these communities only to be let down time and again, sure some do take the opportunity but many more would rather be on welfare or bludge off the ones who do work.

Some of these communities have tried to do the right thing, making there camps dry (no alcohol) building a local economy, teaching their culture but many more have instead funded their camps by being the sole supplier of the alcohol which destroys the community. You visit some of these communities and the most secure building is the petrol station with high security fencing to stop the locals breaking in to steal petrol. When I was in Newman there was a 500 m wide lane of garbage from the nearest tavern to the local aboriginal camp and the local aboriginals would spend their days yelling drunken abuse from on end of the shopping centre to the other... this in one of the largest Iron Ore mining towns where they can't find enough employees ever, yet every dole day there is the entire aboriginal population at the post office collecting there welfare, followed by fights at the bottle shop. The Government then also supplies them with housing which need repairs constantly because they just don't take care of the properties to the point they are completely gutted and then the government comes along again and rebuilds them. I wish this was isolated BUT IT ISN'T, could easily go on about how they make up a small part of the population but a large part of prison populations, or how they die younger, higher infant death, etc, etc.

I don't even think it is solely a outback problem either, there are plenty of urban aboriginal areas with similar problems of violence and crime. In the end the majority of aboriginal people who actually went on to do something with their lives where from the stolen generation, the worst case of civil liberties been taken in the last 50 years (in Australia) but it had the best affect on the aboriginal population than any other actions since pre 1788.

I do feel for these people, we did steal their land, we did treat them like animals, but in the end if they ain't going to help themselves as they have been given every opportunity to do in the last 20 years then what can we do?

Love to hear of something the Australian governments (local, state, federal) haven't tried to do to solve these problems, I don't like Howard but in the end he made the decision that had to be made eventually. Either we force a solution or let the bulk of the Aboriginal population in these communities live in third world conditions by their own making. I just hope Howard will be funding the program correctly and follows through on all that is promised.

Just an observation from my own experience with Aborigines.  Many years ago whilst travelling across our deserts, around our coastlines and into some very remote areas, I had some experiences with them.  Some good and some, not so good but did notice one thing.  Aborigines located around the coastal regions of Australia were by far a friendlier, more optimistic breed than those in the outback regions.  This may come across as a gross generalization but is something that I really noticed in my 2 years travelling. 

I wonder why? 

Maybe Howard could take a leaf out of their book and realise the outback can be a lonely place where alcohol, etc... is the only thing to pass time.  Go to just about any mine in remote Australia and you will see that alot of time is spent drinking when not working.  Maybe it's not an Aboriginal problem but a human one.

I said alcohol, etc... or didn't you read.....

Interesting. I think that what needs to be done is either a complete asimilation into modern Australian society or just leave the Aboriginal people alone. Don't provide them with anything other than nature. These same problems existed with the natives in America and with the black people in America. I guess the decision would depend on how assimilated they already are.

Btw on a side note. I never really saw the Aborigines as "black". Their bone structure gives them more of a South Asian look imo. But their skin is as black as a black Africans. So idk.

Fred[OZ75] wrote:

This has gone beyond civil rights, the Aboriginal people have been given every chance to grow and develop at their own rate under their own leaders and it has failed dramatically.

This is something that aboriginal leaders (moreso) in remote areas have been asking for, for atleast 20yrs.

The white person currupted the black people.  If aboriginal communities were allowed to govern themselves there wouldnt be nearly as many full blooded aboriginals in custody, they have their own law, which they understand and respect, are even scared of it, but they arent allowed to live by those rules they have to live by the white fulla rule.  The white fulla rule was made by white fulla's for white fullas.

The rest was a good read.

regards

Excerpt from the "Little Children are Sacred Report 2007"(An independent report on the plight of children in outback communities).

HG was born in a remote Barkly community in 1960. In 1972, he was anally raped twice by an older Aboriginal man. He didn't report it because of shame and embarrassment. He never told anyone about it until 2006 when he was seeking release from prison where he had been confined for many years as a dangerous sex offender. In 1980 and 1990, he had attempted to have sex with young girls. In 1993, he anally raped a 10 year old girl and, in 1997, an 8 year old boy(ZH). In 2004, ZH anally raped a 5 year old boy in the same community. The little boy complained "ZH fucked me." Who will ensure that in the years to come, the little boy will not also become an offender?

Flecco wrote:

Ssandstorm wrote:

Excerpt from the "Little Children are Sacred Report 2007"(An independent report on the plight of children in outback communities).

HG was born in a remote Barkly community in 1960. In 1972, he was anally raped twice by an older Aboriginal man. He didn't report it because of shame and embarrassment. He never told anyone about it until 2006 when he was seeking release from prison where he had been confined for many years as a dangerous sex offender. In 1980 and 1990, he had attempted to have sex with young girls. In 1993, he anally raped a 10 year old girl and, in 1997, an 8 year old boy(ZH). In 2004, ZH anally raped a 5 year old boy in the same community. The little boy complained "ZH fucked me." Who will ensure that in the years to come, the little boy will not also become an offender?

Right, I'm dragging this thread back up to point out a few things.

Brough lost his seat. For those who don't know he was the minister who tabled the legislation.

Rudd will be reviewing the legislation in a year, just as the Libs were going to. Except Rudd might repeal it, the Libs wouldn't have.


Things have gone quiet on this matter in recent months. Guess people are happy to just forget about it.

Lol at Rudd.  He's not apologising for anything, like the newspapers say he is.  He's going to set up a committee to deal with the issue.

Pretty slick of Rudd to backpedal on that preamble to the Consitution two days before the election, eh?

On a lighter note........political oblivion for lyin' little Johhny! To an ex-ABC journalist!

You know, it almost makes it all worthwhile.....