BF2S Forums pay EA more

im fairly positive youve hit the nail on the head.

businesses= make money
i hate to use the example but look at how much WOW gets updated. they pay monthly and there are almost monthly patches *from what i know..i dont play it but friends do*

i still dont think id pay to play battlefield 2 online though..considering alot of the servers are clan servers not payed for by EA

Miller wrote:

slaata wrote:

Please keep it at an adult level

That won't happen.

Yeah, people have twitchy fingers over here.

And no, paying EA more won't solve the fact that they are a money hungry company (as any other).

They could have waited till the end of the development as Blizzard does for all it's games, maybe that's why they are so liked, because they do their jobs.

The way I see it is . E.G.   Servers are broken stats not working.

Quick send 20 men for a week to fix it that will bring in £0.

Instead lets send 20 men to help develope something that will earn EA £loads . Its a business . They wont fix it forever ... FACT

SargeV1.4 wrote:

did my post get deleted?

ranked servers = massive money for EA. more so than what they got from selling the game.

players = ranked servers = money

bad game = less players = less ranked servers = less money

they have the financial backing they need.

Not to mention all the other game titles they have.
Where's that post about Spore being delayed because of EA's large profit..

slaata wrote:

This might sound like madness but please forgive me...

If you gave EA £30 or equivelant when you first bought  bf2, that payed the wages for all the people for the  initial developement and you would hope good patches to keep the game sweet.

I'm sorry, keep the game sweet? They should first fix the buts that shouldn't have gotten past QA in the first place. A prime example is a 100% reproducible commander bug, when you get stuck if you were commanding the previous round and was typing something in the chat box when the round ended. But that's what happens when suits rush the game out the door when it isn't ready.

slaata wrote:

However there must come a time when the money payed doesn't "balance" the wages of the people patching and still developing the game.

There would be NO NEED to balance the wages if they did their job properly in the first place(perhaps if they had more time?). Now don't get me wrong, you can't catch all bugs, but the number of bugs BF2 has is simply disgraceful.

slaata wrote:

The usual games I bought cost the same as BF2 but I only played for at most 30 hours before shelling out more cash for the next game .

Really? The usual games I buy last for quite a while. Take NWN for example. It's been out since what, 2002, and I still play it. Especially with all the quality mods out there. It was a great investment. And they seem to have patched it pretty well. IL-2 Sturmovik also comes to mind, a number of dynamic campaigns and then there are on-line battles.

If you only play other games for 30 hours, that's your problem.

slaata wrote:

I have played BF2 for over a thousand hours . Perhaps if I had "devoted " more money over that period of time for BF2 e.g subscription (small) they would have the inclination to take it further. Still  have the inclination to develope the game and keep us happy.

They are in business after all and have to show profit to develope the next game. They aren't actually here for our enjoyment although that is an essential part of it if they are to remain in business.

I am interested to hear what you think . Please keep it at an adult level

That's what they are yes, and money is all they care about. That's why you have a bunch of boring games made after various movies, with little to no innovation, rushed out on the market and consequentially full of bugs. If you are happy to buy that kind of POS, go ahead. But Battlefield 2 was my last EA game that I bought until they get their act together.

Further explanation followed here, but it was a boring rant so here are just some words that come to mind: seems accepted standard buggy movie licences no innovation boring to death damnable suits money money money none for you


EDIT: spelling

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slaata wrote:

This might sound like madness but please forgive me...

If you gave EA £30 or equivelant when you first bought  bf2, that payed the wages for all the people for the  initial developement and you would hope good patches to keep the game sweet.

However there must come a time when the money payed doesn't "balance" the wages of the people patching and still developing the game.

The usual games I bought cost the same as BF2 but I only played for at most 30 hours before shelling out more cash for the next game .

I have played BF2 for over a thousand hours . Perhaps if I had "devoted " more money over that period of time for BF2 e.g subscription (small) they would have the inclination to take it further. Still  have the inclination to develope the game and keep us happy.

They are in business after all and have to show profit to develope the next game. They aren't actually here for our enjoyment although that is an essential part of it if they are to remain in business.

I am interested to hear what you think . Please keep it at an adult level

That's an interesting idea, but it's not like EA is hurting financially.  If they decide to cut corners in the patchmaking process, it's not for a lack of funds.  I would argue it probably is more of a budgeting/managerial issue inside the company and the developer (DICE).  That's not exactly something that can be remedied with a subscription fee.

Dude, don't you realise the $$$ EA rakes from the thousands of dedicated ranked servers out there? That alone should be enough.

If EA/DICE/whoever had taken the time to develop a good product instead of rushing it out, they'd get more money in the long run.

A while ago I came up an excellent idea to bring us more maps and make EA more money, which would have cost EA sweet fuck all:
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=539437#p539437

If only they read these forums...

KylieTastic wrote:

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

.... you can't catch all bugs, but the number of bugs BF2 has is simply disgraceful.

This sort of shite pisses me off. So many games crash, hang, glitch so often you dont get to 10-20 hours of play before you give up on them..... but this game you say is "disgraceful" you continue to play for 1644+ hours!

Well, I myself have no such experience(with other games). You see, I usually check the games in advance, read all about then, and then buy. If you buy a lot of unfinished POS, that's your problem. Unfortunately that makes you my problem also, because publishers think it's all right if they continue their bad practice since you(people with same principles) continue to buy bad products.

Now you might ask, why I bought BF2 in the first place then. Because I wanted an on-line FPS experience badly(first on-line FPS). Because the bugs that were in the game originally seemed acceptable to me(until they introduced new ones). Because I liked the gameplay demo(until they  changed the gameplay). Because I got it cheap. After all that time I realize that it was a mistake to end my EA boycott for even a single game(I'm boycotting them again, don't worry).

I continue to play it yes. Because I paid for it, and it is currently the only thing on the market with appropriate thematic and adequate gameplay(Can't wait for some other game. Not Quake Wars tho, they've got ads in it.). FYI, if I had less self control I would be buying 10 new mice, 10 new keyboards and a couple of new monitors. It was infuriating when you CTD'd when you pressed join button. It is still infuriating when you randomly crash a couple of times a week. It is infuriating when you are stuck after commanding the last round and someone took the commander post this round so you have to quit and rejoin. It is annoying when the laser guided on the bomber stops working. It pisses me off to see a billion cars drop from the sky because someone wasn't thinking when they were adding that "feature", making it easy for hackers to exploit(in fact all commander assets). Do I still find it fun to play? Yes I do, I admit that. But at the same time it pisses me off with its bugs. Will I stop playing it? Not likely, at least not until something better comes out as it is still good for wasting time(I started stealing hardware a while back and it's quite fun).

But that's not why I wrote it's a disgrace(perhaps the word is too strong, but the game is by no means fine and dandy). I wrote that because a while back, they were collecting bug reports on EA UK forums(and others I believe) and I told them about commander bug. I told them how to reproduce it. I told them that it happens EVERY FUCKING TIME with 100% certainty. And there were two patches since. It's still here last I checked(if some more experienced commander could confirm or deny it would be great). In my opinion it would be a simple bug to fix. Instead they added the car drop. A CAR DROP. What do you think, would I rather walk somewhere or would I rather quit and reload the map again?

I mean why pretend you care about the bugs and what the community thinks, when you don't fix the bugs and ignore the community?

Recently I worked in a company that makes refrigerators and various cooling devices. What do you think would the customers say if the fridge randomly shut down and you would have to unplug it and plug it back again to start working again? Or the door would lock up so you couldn't open it without a crowbar? Needless to say they wouldn't be happy and the company would not be in business for long.

If only the door would be faulty, they would still be able to use it(albeit with a crowbar), but I don't think they would be particularly happy either.

P.S. Highlighted important parts.

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

KylieTastic wrote:

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

.... you can't catch all bugs, but the number of bugs BF2 has is simply disgraceful.

This sort of shite pisses me off. So many games crash, hang, glitch so often you dont get to 10-20 hours of play before you give up on them..... but this game you say is "disgraceful" you continue to play for 1644+ hours!

Well, I myself have no such experience(with other games). You see, I usually check the games in advance, read all about then, and then buy. If you buy a lot of unfinished POS, that's your problem. Unfortunately that makes you my problem also, because publishers think it's all right if they continue their bad practice since you(people with same principles) continue to buy bad products.

Now you might ask, why I bought BF2 in the first place then. Because I wanted an on-line FPS experience badly(first on-line FPS). Because the bugs that were in the game originally seemed acceptable to me(until they introduced new ones). Because I liked the gameplay demo(until they  changed the gameplay). Because I got it cheap. After all that time I realize that it was a mistake to end my EA boycott for even a single game(I'm boycotting them again, don't worry).

I continue to play it yes. Because I paid for it, and it is currently the only thing on the market with appropriate thematic and adequate gameplay(Can't wait for some other game. Not Quake Wars tho, they've got ads in it.). FYI, if I had less self control I would be buying 10 new mice, 10 new keyboards and a couple of new monitors. It was infuriating when you CTD'd when you pressed join button. It is still infuriating when you randomly crash a couple of times a week. It is infuriating when you are stuck after commanding the last round and someone took the commander post this round so you have to quit and rejoin. It is annoying when the laser guided on the bomber stops working. It pisses me off to see a billion cars drop from the sky because someone wasn't thinking when they were adding that "feature", making it easy for hackers to exploit(in fact all commander assets). Do I still find it fun to play? Yes I do, I admit that. But at the same time it pisses me off with its bugs. Will I stop playing it? Not likely, at least not until something better comes out as it is still good for wasting time(I started stealing hardware a while back and it's quite fun).

But that's not why I wrote it's a disgrace(perhaps the word is too strong, but the game is by no means fine and dandy). I wrote that because a while back, they were collecting bug reports on EA UK forums(and others I believe) and I told them about commander bug. I told them how to reproduce it. I told them that it happens EVERY FUCKING TIME with 100% certainty. And there were two patches since. It's still here last I checked(if some more experienced commander could confirm or deny it would be great). In my opinion it would be a simple bug to fix. Instead they added the car drop. A CAR DROP. What do you think, would I rather walk somewhere or would I rather quit and reload the map again?

I mean why pretend you care about the bugs and what the community thinks, when you don't fix the bugs and ignore the community?

Recently I worked in a company that makes refrigerators and various cooling devices. What do you think would the customers say if the fridge randomly shut down and you would have to unplug it and plug it back again to start working again? Or the door would lock up so you couldn't open it without a crowbar? Needless to say they wouldn't be happy and the company would not be in business for long.

If only the door would be faulty, they would still be able to use it(albeit with a crowbar), but I don't think they would be particularly happy either.

P.S. Highlighted important parts.

Good answer - well put.

I get where you are coming from, it is very annoying when reproducable bugs/faults in anything aren't fixed.

However its not the same as your fridge because people expect to always be pushing the limits on games....

* If you give people a choice of 2 fridges: [1] One with new tech and features but break now and then or [2] one that's good and very reliable,  as you say they will go for No.2 as no one wants a fridge that shuts down.

* If you give them a choice in 2 games: [1] One with lost of features, options, maps and uses all the new graphics features in the latest cards but it has some issues, odd crashes or [2] One that is 100% stable but less features and not so good graphics, I think for now more will buy No.2 (as long as the issues don't affect every game)

I think/hope it will get better in the future and we can have cutting edge and stable but for now its either or.

Maybe I've just been lucky because apart from the 1.3 CTDs I've not had any troubles with the game. I wish they did more but I've very happy I got value for money on my EA games (BF1942, BF2, +SF+ AF +EF)

Fuck that. They shouldn't have to keep patching it. They should have released a finished game, not an untested unbalanced unfinished beta.

Schwarzelungen wrote:

im fairly positive youve hit the nail on the head.

businesses= make money
i hate to use the example but look at how much WOW gets updated. they pay monthly and there are almost monthly patches *from what i know..i dont play it but friends do*

i still dont think id pay to play battlefield 2 online though..considering alot of the servers are clan servers not payed for by EA

QFT, But if all the servers were payed by EA and they updated the game once in a while (New maps for example) I think I would.