BF2S Forums Alternate Routes to Awards

That's the idea of the expert badges: Being very difficult to get,at least the knife and pistol badge.
But with all the statspadders(e.g. knife+pistol only servers) out there having expert knife or expert pistol these awards have definitly lost their glamour.

Just doubling the amount is ridiculous,I get 2 or 3 knife kills every round if I really want to,but 18 in one round really shows the experience(or statpadding) of the player.

And medals are not only based on time spent in a vehicle(Good Conduct Medal,Infantry Combat Medal,etc...),they are just a superior award of the ribbons or badges.

I think the requirements for the badges are totally acceptable and EA didn't plan on all players wanting to have all awards.

Last edited by Mj.Blindfisch (2006-01-29 18:05:40)

Mj.Blindfisch wrote:

That's the idea of the expert badges: Being very difficult to get,at least the knife and pistol badge.
But with all the statspadders(e.g. knife+pistol only servers) out there having expert knife or expert pistol these awards have definitly lost their glamour.

Just doubling the amount is ridiculous,I get 2 or 3 knife kills every round if I really want to,but 18 in one round really shows the experience(or statpadding) of the player.

And medals are not only based on time spent in a vehicle(Good Conduct Medal,Infantry Combat Medal,etc...),they are just a superior award of the ribbons or badges.

I think the requirements for the badges are totally acceptable and EA didn't plan on all players wanting to have all awards.

That is precisely what I mean though, very few have achieved the expert badges through actual skill, but rather out of opportunity or stat padding. So to offer the player a legitimate & more possible route to an award, you show the player that the award doesnt have to be a frustating wait for ideal conditions, or a phone a friend for help deal, but that you can simply play more to your own style & in time will get it anyway.

I don't think that's such a good idea.
I see nothing expert in the knifing badge any more if you could get it by just having a few global kills (would have to be atleast 2k knife kills IMO if it was implemented).

If you get a badge by padding, you're fooling no-one else but your self.
And I doubt you get too much enjoyment for padding a badge like expert knife.

I can atleast happily look at my badges and know that each one of them is earned the right way!

Besides, Expert knife isn't that hard if you're good with knife, it just recuires EXPIRIENCE. And it seems logical to me that you need to be good with that knife to earn an expert badge for it!

Last edited by Gawwad (2006-01-30 07:31:05)

I think this alternate method idea is worthy of more brainstorming.

In real armies many awards often have more than one qualifying criteria so maybe BF2 should add a 'Character of Service' criteria.  Someone with very high TKs in a non-cap area, kicks or bans would be considered a bad character and not get the award until he stops misbehaving.

Gawwad wrote:

I don't think that's such a good idea.
I see nothing expert in the knifing badge any more if you could get it by just having a few global kills (would have to be atleast 2k knife kills IMO if it was implemented).

If you get a badge by padding, you're fooling no-one else but your self.
And I doubt you get too much enjoyment for padding a badge like expert knife.

I can atleast happily look at my badges and know that each one of them is earned the right way!

Besides, Expert knife isn't that hard if you're good with knife, it just recuires EXPIRIENCE. And it seems logical to me that you need to be good with that knife to earn an expert badge for it!

This is your opinion on the matter, not all share that opinion. I myself accumulate knife kills almost every round I find it so easy to get knife kills, but I notice that achieving 18 in most rounds on the majority of servers with other circumstances involved, like hardware lag, connection lag, teamate & enemy intelligence/experience all come into play.

Some people believe that the knife is in the game for a joke, that it is there to humiliate a player, in my opinion I would say that the knife is a very useful combat tool. If you play single player you will notice that the A.I opponents switch to knife in order t fight at close quarters, so they do not waste ammuntion firing & often missing at very close range. This methods means you are less likely to wound teamates in the area as well. The knife also has a stealth advantage, since killing with a knife makes no sound, if creeping up on a squad you shot one of them the others would turn & attack you, if you attack in sequence with the knife you can take out the entire squad without them being any the wiser.

Alternate routes to awards are just my opinion of what should be avaialable in the game. Afterall we are all playing the game at different levels of skill, different techniques & styles of play. It seems presumptuous to expect every player to achieve every award in the manner of the player who got the award before him/her.

Jade456 wrote:

I think the War College should be just that, War College based on Commanding only.  In other words, you can only get it by being the commander and by having a COMMAND win ratio of 3:1.

excellent definition of what war college should be!!!

-=|BW|=-Hollow_Moon wrote:

Gawwad wrote:

I don't think that's such a good idea.
I see nothing expert in the knifing badge any more if you could get it by just having a few global kills (would have to be atleast 2k knife kills IMO if it was implemented).

If you get a badge by padding, you're fooling no-one else but your self.
And I doubt you get too much enjoyment for padding a badge like expert knife.

I can atleast happily look at my badges and know that each one of them is earned the right way!

Besides, Expert knife isn't that hard if you're good with knife, it just recuires EXPIRIENCE. And it seems logical to me that you need to be good with that knife to earn an expert badge for it!

This is your opinion on the matter, not all share that opinion. I myself accumulate knife kills almost every round I find it so easy to get knife kills, but I notice that achieving 18 in most rounds on the majority of servers with other circumstances involved, like hardware lag, connection lag, teamate & enemy intelligence/experience all come into play.

Some people believe that the knife is in the game for a joke, that it is there to humiliate a player, in my opinion I would say that the knife is a very useful combat tool. If you play single player you will notice that the A.I opponents switch to knife in order t fight at close quarters, so they do not waste ammuntion firing & often missing at very close range. This methods means you are less likely to wound teamates in the area as well. The knife also has a stealth advantage, since killing with a knife makes no sound, if creeping up on a squad you shot one of them the others would turn & attack you, if you attack in sequence with the knife you can take out the entire squad without them being any the wiser.

Alternate routes to awards are just my opinion of what should be avaialable in the game. Afterall we are all playing the game at different levels of skill, different techniques & styles of play. It seems presumptuous to expect every player to achieve every award in the manner of the player who got the award before him/her.

Of course it is my opinion?

I do use knife a lot in normal play as well. If I get behind enemies I always switch to knife since it's also much easier to kill a group of proning people and gives that sertain satisfaction

But I like that there are difficult badges in the game (like the knife badge) that can be gotten by skill (or sometimes luck...) rather than playing for hundreds of hours.

18 kills IAR is fair IMO, it just recuires the practise. I got the badge first time I tried for it, so it can't be that difficult if you know how to use that thing effectively.