Someone set up us the bomb.
And traffic wardens are now the first line of defense against terrorism.
And traffic wardens are now the first line of defense against terrorism.
Three terrorist incidents in 24 hours.
I have to wonder if these attacks are coming from the "graduates".
I have to wonder if these attacks are coming from the "graduates".
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Somebody doesn't like Gordon Brown...
Dustin Hoffman and...?Kmarion wrote:
Three terrorist incidents in 24 hours.
I have to wonder if these attacks are coming from the "graduates".
there was a car bomb found in south carolina too, but that makes me think WTF is there in south carolina to bomb?
Umm. . . . .you dont get it, and thats okay! you just dont. . . .sergeriver wrote:
What are you talking about? What PC? Is invading Iraq PC? Is vetoing every UN resolution against Israel PC? The Arabs don't have a problem with our life style. The problem is when you try to force it upon them.fadedsteve wrote:
Extremists have been plotting bombs against the west for years!! Iraq is in part a reason why they might have increased their ability/technology/urgency in carrying out those ideas. . . .M.O.A.B wrote:
I think involvement in Iraq definately plays a part, but we have to remember that the US was attacked before any involvement whatsoever. The risk is probably higher now, but it always existed.
The fact remains that these people want to kill us REGARDLESS if we are in Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia etc. . . . Our way of life and freedoms threatens their repressive societies, therefore they are going to continue to fight against freedom loving people. Just as freedom loving people are going to fight people who think oppression, subserviency, terrorism, and intolerance are virtues i.e. radical Islam!!
If we left Iraq tomorrow, they STILL would be trying to bomb us, and try to kill as many westerners and jews as they could. . . . Right now the west is on the defensive!! We need to go back to the first few months after 9/11 when we were fucking the terrorists up with a "thugs passion"!!! The US and her allies are all retreating!! If any country(s) that should be on the offensive its England, Germany and France!! They have a terrible extremist population that needs to be dealt with! This problem isnt going away unless the "PC" bullshit STOPS!!
famous George S. Patton quote: "Nobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more." We cant sit and wait to be attacked, and continue to elect people who wont protect us!!!
The Arabs DO have a problem with our lifestyle, why else would they start a global jihad to try and change our lifestyle/way of life?? They explicitly state in their fatwas that western civilization needs to be destroyed and rebuilt under a strict muslim style of government and life doctrine. The fact that you continue to think its all the wests fault is your own ignorance of the situation. . . . .
I'm used to personal attacks, so carry on pls. What I don't get is when did the Arabs try to impose their lifestyle to us? I think we are trying to force ours upon them, and that's where the problem is.fadedsteve wrote:
Umm. . . . .you dont get it, and thats okay! you just dont. . . .sergeriver wrote:
What are you talking about? What PC? Is invading Iraq PC? Is vetoing every UN resolution against Israel PC? The Arabs don't have a problem with our life style. The problem is when you try to force it upon them.fadedsteve wrote:
Extremists have been plotting bombs against the west for years!! Iraq is in part a reason why they might have increased their ability/technology/urgency in carrying out those ideas. . . .
The fact remains that these people want to kill us REGARDLESS if we are in Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia etc. . . . Our way of life and freedoms threatens their repressive societies, therefore they are going to continue to fight against freedom loving people. Just as freedom loving people are going to fight people who think oppression, subserviency, terrorism, and intolerance are virtues i.e. radical Islam!!
If we left Iraq tomorrow, they STILL would be trying to bomb us, and try to kill as many westerners and jews as they could. . . . Right now the west is on the defensive!! We need to go back to the first few months after 9/11 when we were fucking the terrorists up with a "thugs passion"!!! The US and her allies are all retreating!! If any country(s) that should be on the offensive its England, Germany and France!! They have a terrible extremist population that needs to be dealt with! This problem isnt going away unless the "PC" bullshit STOPS!!
famous George S. Patton quote: "Nobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more." We cant sit and wait to be attacked, and continue to elect people who wont protect us!!!
The Arabs DO have a problem with our lifestyle, why else would they start a global jihad to try and change our lifestyle/way of life?? They explicitly state in their fatwas that western civilization needs to be destroyed and rebuilt under a strict muslim style of government and life doctrine. The fact that you continue to think its all the wests fault is your own ignorance of the situation. . . . .
No, they're always trying to act above the law, getting this and that regulated. Besides, i don't see what's wrong in telling them that having their woman treated like that is fucked up. We're doing it in the wrong way though.
That wasnt a personal attack, that was the truth! I dont have anything against yousergeriver wrote:
I'm used to personal attacks, so carry on pls. What I don't get is when did the Arabs try to impose their lifestyle to us? I think we are trying to force ours upon them, and that's where the problem is.fadedsteve wrote:
Umm. . . . .you dont get it, and thats okay! you just dont. . . .sergeriver wrote:
What are you talking about? What PC? Is invading Iraq PC? Is vetoing every UN resolution against Israel PC? The Arabs don't have a problem with our life style. The problem is when you try to force it upon them.
The Arabs DO have a problem with our lifestyle, why else would they start a global jihad to try and change our lifestyle/way of life?? They explicitly state in their fatwas that western civilization needs to be destroyed and rebuilt under a strict muslim style of government and life doctrine. The fact that you continue to think its all the wests fault is your own ignorance of the situation. . . . .
Do you remember 9/11 or bombings before that? cause I do vividly. . . . last time I checked that/those was/were a direct assault on the USA and her lifestyle and beliefs!! Like I said, you dont see the big picture. . .
Have you ever listened to what Bin Laden says in his speeches, or those that want to emulate him?? Honestly have you ever listened to him/heard his core message to the world and to muslims about the USA and her allies????
Where your wrong is saying that we are imposing our way of life on them. . . . . no we are not! You have a total misperception there! As a nation, we cant stop people from adopting American things or ideals, but by NO MEANS are we forcing them on anyone!!
My buddy(who fought in 03' and in 04' in the USMC) says the Iraqi's love hip hop music now, not because we forced it on them, but because they finally were able to watch TV other than Saddam programming day in and day out. . . . . We arent forcing freedom and equality on anyone, thats a god given right!! That a right that those in charge of the Muslim/terrorist world dont want to let happen, thats why they insult, bomb, and try to terrorize people. . . . .its all done to control people in the name of a hijacked religion that is skewed to their own insane interpretations!
Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-06-30 15:26:05)
They love hip hop?! This is yet another reason as to why we should get out of the ME. We're corrupting their cultures with egregious noise!
I don't think the bombings in the US, UK, Spain or Argentina (Israel's embassy and a Jewish Organization) were a direct attack on the lifestyle of the West. I think much of this has to do with the West looking away when Israel violates international law. And if you think anyone has the right to force democracy upon Iraqis or any other people you are wrong. Nobody has that right. They should deal with their issues on their own. If you think that's not imposing a lifestyle you are wrong or deluded.fadedsteve wrote:
That wasnt a personal attack, that was the truth! I dont have anything against yousergeriver wrote:
I'm used to personal attacks, so carry on pls. What I don't get is when did the Arabs try to impose their lifestyle to us? I think we are trying to force ours upon them, and that's where the problem is.fadedsteve wrote:
Umm. . . . .you dont get it, and thats okay! you just dont. . . .
The Arabs DO have a problem with our lifestyle, why else would they start a global jihad to try and change our lifestyle/way of life?? They explicitly state in their fatwas that western civilization needs to be destroyed and rebuilt under a strict muslim style of government and life doctrine. The fact that you continue to think its all the wests fault is your own ignorance of the situation. . . . .
Do you remember 9/11 or bombings before that? cause I do vividly. . . . last time I checked that/those was/were a direct assault on the USA and her lifestyle and beliefs!! Like I said, you dont see the big picture. . .
Have you ever listened to what Bin Laden says in his speeches, or those that want to emulate him?? Honestly have you ever listened to him/heard his core message to the world and to muslims about the USA and her allies????
Where your wrong is saying that we are imposing our way of life on them. . . . . no we are not! You have a total misperception there! As a nation, we cant stop people from adopting American things or ideals, but by NO MEANS are we forcing them on anyone!!
My buddy(who fought in 03' and in 04' in the USMC) says the Iraqi's love hip hop music now, not because we forced it on them, but because they finally were able to watch TV other than Saddam programming day in and day out. . . . . We arent forcing freedom and equality on anyone, thats a god given right!! That a right that those in charge of the Muslim/terrorist world dont want to let happen, thats why they insult, bomb, and try to terrorize people. . . . .its all done to control people in the name of a hijacked religion that is skewed to their own insane interpretations!
Osama visited the United States once. He was a big supporter of us then, because we were helping him crush the Soviet infidels (his words, not mine). But when he got here he was shocked. Shocked because of how our women dressed, how we didn't pray. Shocked at our decadence, shocked at our secular way of life. When he attacked on 9/11, it was because our way of life is wrong to them. Much as how we try to help people when we think they're being oppressed, Osama is trying to do what many religious fanatics have done in the past... bring us salvation or bring us death. It's funny, in fighting the enemy that is fundamentalist Islam, we've become like the enemy in this way. The only difference: we're right, they're wrong. It's not "different" for a people to oppress their women for the hell of it, its not "different" to teach kids to destroy instead of create. It's worse. It's wrong. I just wish we didn't have to go to their level to fight them. That's also wrong, and history will reflect that.sergeriver wrote:
I don't think the bombings in the US, UK, Spain or Argentina (Israel's embassy and a Jewish Organization) were a direct attack on the lifestyle of the West. I think much of this has to do with the West looking away when Israel violates international law. And if you think anyone has the right to force democracy upon Iraqis or any other people you are wrong. Nobody has that right. They should deal with their issues on their own. If you think that's not imposing a lifestyle you are wrong or deluded.
And for the record, fundamentalists don't care about international law, if they did, they wouldn't behead people and leave them in the streets, or use children as human shields. Or destroy a civilian populace to attack a military force.
I never knew he visited America, I knew his borther or someone lived there and his parents were in the UK at one point as doctors.iamangry wrote:
Osama visited the United States once. He was a big supporter of us then, because we were helping him crush the Soviet infidels (his words, not mine). But when he got here he was shocked. Shocked because of how our women dressed, how we didn't pray. Shocked at our decadence, shocked at our secular way of life. When he attacked on 9/11, it was because our way of life is wrong to them. Much as how we try to help people when we think they're being oppressed, Osama is trying to do what many religious fanatics have done in the past... bring us salvation or bring us death. It's funny, in fighting the enemy that is fundamentalist Islam, we've become like the enemy in this way. The only difference: we're right, they're wrong. It's not "different" for a people to oppress their women for the hell of it, its not "different" to teach kids to destroy instead of create. It's worse. It's wrong. I just wish we didn't have to go to their level to fight them. That's also wrong, and history will reflect that.sergeriver wrote:
I don't think the bombings in the US, UK, Spain or Argentina (Israel's embassy and a Jewish Organization) were a direct attack on the lifestyle of the West. I think much of this has to do with the West looking away when Israel violates international law. And if you think anyone has the right to force democracy upon Iraqis or any other people you are wrong. Nobody has that right. They should deal with their issues on their own. If you think that's not imposing a lifestyle you are wrong or deluded.
And for the record, fundamentalists don't care about international law, if they did, they wouldn't behead people and leave them in the streets, or use children as human shields. Or destroy a civilian populace to attack a military force.
You talk about Osama and the extremists. And those are the less. Most Arabs are not radicals. They don't want to change our lifestyle, but they don't want their way of life to be changed either. I don't agree with many of their practices, but it's their duty to improve their society not ours. If we force changes upon them we're no better than the extremists nobody likes. Just a thought.iamangry wrote:
Osama visited the United States once. He was a big supporter of us then, because we were helping him crush the Soviet infidels (his words, not mine). But when he got here he was shocked. Shocked because of how our women dressed, how we didn't pray. Shocked at our decadence, shocked at our secular way of life. When he attacked on 9/11, it was because our way of life is wrong to them. Much as how we try to help people when we think they're being oppressed, Osama is trying to do what many religious fanatics have done in the past... bring us salvation or bring us death. It's funny, in fighting the enemy that is fundamentalist Islam, we've become like the enemy in this way. The only difference: we're right, they're wrong. It's not "different" for a people to oppress their women for the hell of it, its not "different" to teach kids to destroy instead of create. It's worse. It's wrong. I just wish we didn't have to go to their level to fight them. That's also wrong, and history will reflect that.sergeriver wrote:
I don't think the bombings in the US, UK, Spain or Argentina (Israel's embassy and a Jewish Organization) were a direct attack on the lifestyle of the West. I think much of this has to do with the West looking away when Israel violates international law. And if you think anyone has the right to force democracy upon Iraqis or any other people you are wrong. Nobody has that right. They should deal with their issues on their own. If you think that's not imposing a lifestyle you are wrong or deluded.
And for the record, fundamentalists don't care about international law, if they did, they wouldn't behead people and leave them in the streets, or use children as human shields. Or destroy a civilian populace to attack a military force.
Last edited by sergeriver (2007-06-30 18:12:16)
Again. . . .your misunderstanding whats going on. . . .sergeriver wrote:
I don't think the bombings in the US, UK, Spain or Argentina (Israel's embassy and a Jewish Organization) were a direct attack on the lifestyle of the West. I think much of this has to do with the West looking away when Israel violates international law. And if you think anyone has the right to force democracy upon Iraqis or any other people you are wrong. Nobody has that right. They should deal with their issues on their own. If you think that's not imposing a lifestyle you are wrong or deluded.fadedsteve wrote:
That wasnt a personal attack, that was the truth! I dont have anything against yousergeriver wrote:
I'm used to personal attacks, so carry on pls. What I don't get is when did the Arabs try to impose their lifestyle to us? I think we are trying to force ours upon them, and that's where the problem is.
Do you remember 9/11 or bombings before that? cause I do vividly. . . . last time I checked that/those was/were a direct assault on the USA and her lifestyle and beliefs!! Like I said, you dont see the big picture. . .
Have you ever listened to what Bin Laden says in his speeches, or those that want to emulate him?? Honestly have you ever listened to him/heard his core message to the world and to muslims about the USA and her allies????
Where your wrong is saying that we are imposing our way of life on them. . . . . no we are not! You have a total misperception there! As a nation, we cant stop people from adopting American things or ideals, but by NO MEANS are we forcing them on anyone!!
My buddy(who fought in 03' and in 04' in the USMC) says the Iraqi's love hip hop music now, not because we forced it on them, but because they finally were able to watch TV other than Saddam programming day in and day out. . . . . We arent forcing freedom and equality on anyone, thats a god given right!! That a right that those in charge of the Muslim/terrorist world dont want to let happen, thats why they insult, bomb, and try to terrorize people. . . . .its all done to control people in the name of a hijacked religion that is skewed to their own insane interpretations!
This has nothing to do with Israel as a whole. . .
Israel is a catalyst, but is by no means the entire reason radical Islam acts the way they do. NO ONE is forcing democracy on anyone, we are mearly giving the Iraqi's and Afghani's a chance to live under a democracy. . . .its really their decision one way or the other. So far I think its pretty evident that they prefer to live free!! No American is forcing anyone to live as we do . . . . . as that is impossible because we live the "freeist" out of any nation in the world. The replication of that freedom is simply unfeesible. . . .however, its not unfeesible to help change nations that want to be free of people that are oppressing them! i.e. Baathists and or Jihadist regimes.
I do think imposing ones regime on anothers is WRONG and DELUDED!! We agree on that completely!! However that is not the case in the middle east. . . .we are HELPING the Iraqi's obtain a foothold for their future just as we are helping the Afghani's with their future as well.
Letting a region remove itself from its DELUDED past is not wrong or unreasonable. . . . The USA is doing the right thing, and that noble cause WILL be justified in 20+ years. . . . long after your liberal diatribe has run its course
Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-07-01 04:32:04)
Ok, buy the propaganda telling you that the US has a noble cause to do this. GWB went there to give some freedom and civil liberties to the Iraqis, not after oil. Sometimes you seem too naive. But the real motivations and its consequences will be unjustified in 20+ years....long after your confused and brainwashed neoconservative diatribe has run its course.fadedsteve wrote:
Again. . . .your misunderstanding whats going on. . . .sergeriver wrote:
I don't think the bombings in the US, UK, Spain or Argentina (Israel's embassy and a Jewish Organization) were a direct attack on the lifestyle of the West. I think much of this has to do with the West looking away when Israel violates international law. And if you think anyone has the right to force democracy upon Iraqis or any other people you are wrong. Nobody has that right. They should deal with their issues on their own. If you think that's not imposing a lifestyle you are wrong or deluded.fadedsteve wrote:
That wasnt a personal attack, that was the truth! I dont have anything against you
Do you remember 9/11 or bombings before that? cause I do vividly. . . . last time I checked that/those was/were a direct assault on the USA and her lifestyle and beliefs!! Like I said, you dont see the big picture. . .
Have you ever listened to what Bin Laden says in his speeches, or those that want to emulate him?? Honestly have you ever listened to him/heard his core message to the world and to muslims about the USA and her allies????
Where your wrong is saying that we are imposing our way of life on them. . . . . no we are not! You have a total misperception there! As a nation, we cant stop people from adopting American things or ideals, but by NO MEANS are we forcing them on anyone!!
My buddy(who fought in 03' and in 04' in the USMC) says the Iraqi's love hip hop music now, not because we forced it on them, but because they finally were able to watch TV other than Saddam programming day in and day out. . . . . We arent forcing freedom and equality on anyone, thats a god given right!! That a right that those in charge of the Muslim/terrorist world dont want to let happen, thats why they insult, bomb, and try to terrorize people. . . . .its all done to control people in the name of a hijacked religion that is skewed to their own insane interpretations!
This has nothing to do with Israel as a whole. . .
Israel is a catalyst, but is by no means the entire reason radical Islam acts the way they do. NO ONE is forcing democracy on anyone, we are mearly giving the Iraqi's and Afghani's a chance to live under a democracy. . . .its really their decision one way or the other. So far I think its pretty evident that they prefer to live free!! No American is forcing anyone to live as we do . . . . . as that is impossible because we live the "freeist" out of any nation in the world. The replication of that freedom is simply unfeesible. . . .however, its not unfeesible to help change nations that want to be free of people that are oppressing them! i.e. Baathists and or Jihadist regimes.
I do think imposing ones regime on anothers is WRONG and DELUDED!! We agree on that completely!! However that is not the case in the middle east. . . .we are HELPING the Iraqi's obtain a foothold for their future just as we are helping the Afghani's with their future as well.
Letting a region remove itself from its DELUDED past is not wrong or unreasonable. . . . The USA is doing the right thing, and that noble cause WILL be justified in 20+ years. . . . long after your liberal diatribe has run its course
...and his intention to pull British troops out of Iraq...CameronPoe wrote:
Somebody doesn't like Gordon Brown...
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Probably MI5 trying to warrant their budget for the year.</stirring>
Probably islamist terrorists trying to kill you.
Wake up and smell the coffee FFS.
Wake up and smell the coffee FFS.
I totally agree, Was having a conversation with my mum about this. She said in Australia that in the airports, people who immigrated to their country got given a leaflet/letter of some kind- Gist it said this is Australia, This is our country, We won't build your religious places, schools for one type of belief, etc etc, Didn't actually see the letter but i asked her to dig it out for me.fadedsteve wrote:
scary shit!!
luckily the bombs didn't go off, or allot of people would have been killed or seriously injured. . . .
England needs to figure out whether all this immigration has produced more friend's or foe's. . . . I think its pretty clear whats happening in the Islamic Republic of Great Britain. . . I mean Great Britain. . . sorry
Its only a matter of time till England gets an even more serious attack, and all the "PC" bullshit artists running England get voted out of office!!
Its time for England to take back their country from this vermin saying "everything is okay, radical Islam isn't operating right from under our noses". . . . I love the Brits, your great people, and a blast to hang out with, I don't want to see another 9/11 happen in your country!!
say all you want about George Bush, bottom line is America hasn't been hit with another attack SINCE 9/11. . . . . Britain unfortunately cant say that they haven't been bombed, OR had multiple plots/bomb scares over the past few years in the heart of their cities!!!
UK Should have done that, If they don't like our rules they should go back to where they came from. Imo we should send them back now. But there's no hope in hell of that happening.
Attacks are getting too close to home for my liking.
"We should perform suicide attacks, and God willing destroy establishments in their own countries"Kmarion wrote:
Three terrorist incidents in 24 hours.
I have to wonder if these attacks are coming from the "graduates".
Looks like some ones God isnt putting in 100% as the only person hurt was one of the terrorists in Glasgow...