golgoj4
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So Im watching Hardball, normally with Chris Matthews but today its Al Sharpton. So anyways they just announced I Scooter Libby's Sentence has been commuted by President Bush. Discuss.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/ … TE=DEFAULT

Summary:

No Jail Tim
Conviction Stands as a felony conviction on his record.
He Still pays $250,000 fine.

Last edited by golgoj4 (2007-07-02 15:04:00)

ghettoperson
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Commuted? The only kind of commuting I'm familiar with is a journey to a place of work. I'm assuming this is a different kind.
golgoj4
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golgoj4 wrote:

So Im watching Hardball, normally with Chris Matthews but today its Al Sharpton. So anyways they just announced I Scooter Libby's Sentence has been commuted by President Bush. Discuss.

For everyone across the pond, that means he was pardoned.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/ … TE=DEFAULT
Kmar
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KEN-JENNINGS
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Do you think there will be a public outcry a-la Paris Hilton?  Me thinks not.  I'm sure Americans care more about how a dumb cunt is treated than a man who put a federal employee's life in danger

This pisses me off a great deal, but I can't honestly say it suprises me.

How many times do you think our crazy-biased lefty media will hold Bush accountable and ask him why?

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-07-02 15:01:35)

Bertster7
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That is a utter disgrace. He should at the very least serve some jail time. I wouldn't have had a problem if Bush had cut the time he was serving, but no jail time at all - it's a fucking disgrace.
ghettoperson
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I agree, it's rediculous. TBH, I had an idea something of this kind would happen, but I hadn't thought they'd let him get off completely. It's crazy. I don't really understand how Bush can get away with pardoning someone whose been proven guilty. I mean sure, he doesn't have to get elected again, but wouldn't it just compromise his ability to get anything done?
Bertster7
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ghettoperson wrote:

I agree, it's rediculous. TBH, I had an idea something of this kind would happen, but I hadn't thought they'd let him get off completely. It's crazy. I don't really understand how Bush can get away with pardoning someone whose been proven guilty. I mean sure, he doesn't have to get elected again, but wouldn't it just compromise his ability to get anything done?
Not to mention compromising his intregri......         oh sorry, I forgot it was Bush we were talking about.


This is why presidential pardons are a bad idea.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-07-02 15:26:24)

Noobeater
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In theory the president could hire someone to assassinate terrorists or anyone else he disliked then just give them a presidential pardon and they're next target and repeat, but thats only theory. Hell they could of just done that with saddam and his main leaders if he wanted, granted it would cause a real diplomatic crisis but it could of been done.
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Bertster7 wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

I agree, it's rediculous. TBH, I had an idea something of this kind would happen, but I hadn't thought they'd let him get off completely. It's crazy. I don't really understand how Bush can get away with pardoning someone whose been proven guilty. I mean sure, he doesn't have to get elected again, but wouldn't it just compromise his ability to get anything done?
Not to mention compromising his intregri......         oh sorry, I forgot it was Bush we were talking about.


This is why presidential pardons are a bad idea.
Yeah, it happens all the time.  Clinton pardorned over 100 people (If I can recall) right before he left office.  It is ridiculous.  I guess its not so much the pardon that pisses me off so much as the apathetic response the American public/media/politicians will surely have.  No doubt some Democrat will use it in some type of fundraising effort, but that's about the most it will be talked about.
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I would expect nothing less from that wretched human embodiment of canine faeces George 'Jobs For the Boys, Let's Kill Some Arabs' Bush. I feel sorry that decent Americans got so badly jipped with their choice of president.

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blisteringsilence
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ghettoperson wrote:

I agree, it's rediculous. TBH, I had an idea something of this kind would happen, but I hadn't thought they'd let him get off completely. It's crazy. I don't really understand how Bush can get away with pardoning someone whose been proven guilty. I mean sure, he doesn't have to get elected again, but wouldn't it just compromise his ability to get anything done?
A pardon, by its very definition, is for someone who has been proven guilty. And Clinton pardoned more criminals than any president in the past. Where was the outcry then?

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm

Name    Home Town    Offenses
ALLEN, Verla Jean    Everton, Arkansas    False statements to agency of United States
ALTIERE, Nicholas M.    Las Vegas, Nevada    Importation of cocaine
ALTSCHUL, Bernice Ruth    Sherman Village, California    Conspiracy to commit money laundering
ANDERSON, Joe, Jr.    Grove Hill, Alabama    Income tax evasion
ANDERSON, William Sterling    Spartanburg, South Carolina    Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured financial institution, false statements to a federally insured financial institution, wire fraud
AZIZKHANI, Mansour T.    Huntsville, Alabama    Conspiracy and making false statements in bank loan applications
BABIN, Cleveland Victor, Jr.    Oklahoma City, Oklahoma    Conspiracy to commit offense against the United States by utilizing the U.S. mail in furtherance of a scheme to defraud
BAGLEY, Chris Harmon    Harrah, Oklahoma    Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine
BANE, Scott Lynn    Mahomet, Illinois    Unlawful distribution of marijuana
BARBER, Thomas Cleveland    Hampton, Florida    Issuing worthless checks
BARGON, Peggy Ann    Monticello, Illinois    Violation of the Lacey Act, violation of the Bald Eagle Protection Act
BHATKA, Tansukhlal         Income tax evasion
BLAMPIED, David Roscoe    Ketchum, Idaho    Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
BORDERS, William Arthur, Jr.    Washington, D.C.    Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions; corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein; traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery
BOREL, Arthur David    Little Rock, Arkansas    Odometer rollback
BOREL, Douglas Charles    Conway, Arkansas    Odometer rollback
BRABHAM, George Thomas    Austin, Texas    Making a false statement or report to a federally insured bank
BRASWELL, Almon Glenn     Doravilla, Georgia    Conspiracy to defraud government with respect to claims; perjury
BROWDER, Leonard    Aiken, South Carolina    Illegal dispensing of controlled substance and Medicaid fraud
BROWN, David Steven    New York, New York    Securities fraud and mail fraud
BURLESON, Delores Caroylene, aka Delores Cox Burleson    Hanna, Oklahoma    Possession of marijuana
BUSTAMANTE, John H.    Cleveland, Ohio    Wire fraud
CAMPBELL, Mary Louise    Ruleville, Mississippi    Aiding and abetting the unauthorized use and transfer of food stamps
CANDELARIA, Eloida         False information in registering to vote
CAPILI, Dennis Sobrevinas    Glendale, California    Filing false statements in alien registration
CHAMBERS, Donna Denise    Memphis, Tennessee    Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute and to distribute cocaine, possession with intent to distribute cocaine, use of a telephone to facilitate cocaine conspiracy
CHAPMAN, Douglas Eugene    Scott, Arkansas    Bank fraud
CHAPMAN, Ronald Keith    Scott, Arkansas    Bank fraud
CHAVEZ, Francisco Larios    Santa Ana, California    Aiding and abetting illegal entry of aliens
CISNEROS, Henry G.         
CLINTON, Roger         
COHN, Stuart Harris    New Haven, Connecticut    1. Illegal sale of gold options

2. Illegal sale of silver options
COOPER, David Marc    Wapakoneta, Ohio    Conspiracy to defraud the government
COX, Ernest Harley, Jr.    Pine Bluff, Arkansas    Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured savings and loan, misapplication of bank funds, false statements
CROSS, John F., Jr.    Little Rock, Arkansas    Embezzlement by a bank employee
CUNNINGHAM, Rickey Lee    Amarillo, Texas    Possession with intent to distribute marijuana
DE LABIO, Richard Anthony    Baltimore, Maryland    Mail fraud, aiding and abetting
DEUTCH, John         Described in January 19, 2001 information
DOUGLAS, Richard         False statements
DOWNE, Edward Reynolds         Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and tax evasion; securities fraud
DUDLEY, Marvin Dean    Omaha, Nebraska    False statements
DUNCAN, Larry Lee    Branson, Missouri    Altering an automobile odometer
FAIN, Robert Clinton         Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return
FERNANDEZ, Marcos Arcenio    Miami, Florida    Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana
FERROUILLET, Alvarez         Interstate transport of stolen property, money laundering, false statements
FUGAZY, William Denis    Harrison, New York    Perjury in a bankruptcy proceeding
GEORGE, Lloyd Reid         Mail fraud
GOLDSTEIN, Louis    Las Vegas, Nevada    Possession of goods stolen from interstate shipment
GORDON, Rubye Lee    Tampa, Florida    Forgery of U.S. Treasury checks
GREEN, Pincus    Switzerland    
HAMNER, Robert Ivey    Searcy, Arkansas    Conspiracy to distribute marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
HANDLEY, Samuel Price    Hodgenville, Kentucky    Conspiracy to steal government property
HANDLEY, Woodie Randolph    Hodgenville, Kentucky    Conspiracy to steal government property
HARMON, Jay Houston    Jonesboro, Arkansas    1. Conspiracy to import marijuana, conspiracy to possess marijuana with intent to distribute, importation of marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
2. Conspiracy to import cocaine
HEMMINGSON, John         Interstate transport of stolen property, money laundering
HERDLINGER, David S.    St. Simons Island, Georgia    Mail fraud
HUCKLEBERRY, Debi Rae    Ogden, Utah    Distribution of methamphetamine
JAMES, Donald Ray    Fairfield Bay, Arkansas    Mail fraud, wire fraud, and false statement to a bank to influence credit approval
JOBE, Stanley Pruet    El Paso, Texas    Conspiracy to commit bank fraud, and bank fraud
JOHNSON, Ruben H.    Austin, Texas     Theft and misapplication of bank funds by a bank officer or director
JONES, Linda          Conspiracy to commit bank fraud and other offenses against the United States
LAKE, James Howard         Illegal corporate campaign contributions, wire fraud
LEWIS, June Louise    Lowellville, Ohio    Embezzlement by a bank employee
LEWIS, Salim Bonnor    Short Hills, New Jersey    Securities fraud, record keeping violations, margin violations
LODWICK, John Leighton    Excelsior Springs, Missouri    Income tax evasion
LOPEZ, Hildebrando    San Isidro, Texas    Distribution of cocaine
LUACES, Jose Julio    Ft. Lauderdale, Florida    Possession of an unregistered firearm
MANESS, James Timothy         Conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance
MANNING, James Lowell    Little Rock, Arkansas    Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return
MARTIN, John Robert    Gulf Breeze, Florida    Income tax evasion
MARTINEZ, Frank Ayala    Elgin, Texas    Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service
MARTINEZ, Silvia Leticia Beltran    Elgin, Texas    Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service
McCORMICK, John Francis    Dedham, Massachusetts    Racketeering conspiracy, racketeering, and violation of the Hobbs act
McDOUGAL, Susan H.         
MECHANIC, Howard Lawrence         1. Violating the Civil Disobedience Act of 1968
2. Failure to appear
3. Making false statement in acquiring a passport
MITCHELL, Brook K., Sr.         Conspiracy to illegally obtain USDA subsidy payments, false statements to USDA, and false entries on USDA forms
MORGAN, Charles Wilfred, III    Little Rock, Arkansas    Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
MORISON, Samuel Loring    Crofton, Maryland    Willful transmission of defense information, unauthorized possession and retention of defense information, theft of government property
NAZZARO, Richard Anthony    Winchester, Massachusetts    Perjury and conspiracy to commit mail fraud
NOSENKO, Charlene Ann     Phoenix, Arizona    Conspiracy to defraud the United States, and influencing or injuring an officer or juror generally
OBERMEIER, Vernon Raymond    Belleville, Illinois    Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, distribution of cocaine, and using a communications facility to facilitate distribution of cocaine
OGALDE, Miguelina    Glendale, California    Conspiracy to import cocaine
OWEN, David C.    Olathe, Kansas    Filing a false tax return
PALMER, Robert W.    Little Rock, Arkansas    Conspiracy to make false statements
PERHOSKY, Kelli Anne    Bridgeville, Pennsylvania    Conspiracy to commit mail fraud
PEZZOPANE, Richard H.    Palo Heights, Illinois    Conspiracy to commit racketeering, and mail fraud
PHILLIPS, Orville Rex    Waco, Texas    Unlawful structure of a financial transaction
POLING, Vinson Stewart, Jr.    Baldwin, Maryland    Making a false bank entry, and aiding and abetting
PROUSE, Norman Lyle    Conyers, Georgia    Operating or directing the operation of a common carrier while under the influence of alcohol
PRUITT, Willie H. H., Jr.    Port Richey, Florida    Absent without official leave
PURSLEY, Danny Martin, Sr.    Goodlettsville, Tennessee    Aiding and abetting the conduct of an illegal gambling business, and obstruction of state laws to facilitate illegal gambling
RAVENEL, Charles D.    Charleston, South Carolina    Conspiracy to defraud the United States
RAY, William Clyde    Altus, Oklahoma    Fraud using a telephone
REGALADO, Alfredo Luna    Pharr, Texas    Failure to report the transportation of currency in excess of $10,000 into the United States
RICAFORT, Ildefonso Reynes    Houston, Texas    Submission of false claims to Veterans Administration
RICH, Marc    Switzerland    
RIDDLE, Howard Winfield    Mt. Crested Butte, Colorado    Violation of the Lacey Act (receipt of illegally imported animal skins)
RILEY, Richard Wilson, Jr.         Possession of cocaine with intent to distribute
ROBBINS, Samuel Lee    Cedar Park, Texas    Misprision of a felony
RODRIGUEZ, Joel Gonzales    Houston, Texas    Theft of mail by a postal employee
ROGERS, Michael James    McAllen, Texas    Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana
ROSS, Anna Louise    Lubbock, Texas    Distribution of cocaine
RUST, Gerald Glen    Avery, Texas    False declarations before grand jury
RUST, Jerri Ann    Avery, Texas    False declarations before grand jury
RUTHERFORD, Bettye June    Albuquerque, New Mexico    Possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
SANDS, Gregory Lee    Sioux Falls, South Dakota    Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
SCHWIMMER, Adolph         Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, conspiracy to export arms and ammunition to a foreign country and related charges
SERETTI, Albert A., Jr.    McKees Rocks, Pennyslvania    Conspiracy and wire fraud
SHAW, Patricia Campbell Hearst    Wilton, Connecticut    Armed bank robbery and using a firearm during a felony
SMITH, Dennis Joseph    Redby, Minnesota    1. Unauthorized absence
2. Failure to obey off-limits instructions
3. Unauthorized absence
SMITH, Gerald Owen    Florence, Mississippi    Armed bank robbery
SMITH, Stephen A.         
SPEAKE, Jimmie Lee    Breckenridge, Texas    Conspiracy to possess and utter counterfeit $20 Federal Reserve notes
STEWART, Charles Bernard    Sparta, Georgia    Illegally destroying U.S. Mail
STEWART-ROLLINS, Marlena Francisca    Euclid, Ohio    Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
SYMINGTON, John Fife, III         
TANNEHILL, Richard Lee    Reno, Nevada    Conspiracy and restraint of trade
TENAGLIA, Nicholas C.    Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania    Receipt of illegal payments under the Medicare program
THOMAS, Gary Allen    Lancaster, Texas    Theft of mail by postal employee
TODD, Larry Weldon    Gardendale, Texas    Conspiracy to commit an offense against the U.S. in violation of the Lacey Act and the Airborne Hunting Act
TREVINO, Olga C.     Converse, Texas    Misapplication by a bank employee
VAMVOUKLIS, Ignatious    Exeter, New Hampshire    Possession of cocaine
VAN DE WEERD, Patricia A.    Tomahawk, Wisconsin    Theft by a U.S. Postal employee
WADE, Christopher V.         
WARMATH, Bill Wayne    Walls, Mississippi    Obstruction of correspondence
WATSON, Jack Kenneth    Oakridge, Oregon    Making false statements of material facts to the U.S. Forest Service
WEBB, Donna Lynn    Panama City, Florida    False entry in savings and loan record by employee
WELLS, Donald William    Phenix City, Alabama    Possession of an unregistered firearm
WENDT, Robert H.    Kirkwood, Missouri    Conspiracy to effectuate the escape of a federal prisoner
WILLIAMS, Jack L.         Making false statements to federal agents
WILLIAMS, Kevin Arthur    Omaha, Nebraska    Conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute crack cocaine
WILLIAMS, Robert Michael    Davison, Michigan    Conspiracy to transport in foreign commerce securities obtained by fraud
WILSON, Jimmie Lee    Helena, Arkansas    Converting property mortgaged or pledged to a farm credit agency, and converting public money to personal use
WINGATE, Thelma Louise    Sale City, Georgia    Mail fraud
WOOD, Mitchell Couey    Sherwood, Arkansas    Conspiracy to possess and to distribute cocaine
WOOD, Warren Stannard    Las Vegas, Nevada    Conspiracy to defraud the United States by filing a false document with the Securities and Exchange Commission
WORTHEY, Dewey    Conway, Arkansas    Medicaid fraud
YALE, Rick Allen    Belleville, Illinois    Bank fraud
YASAK, Joseph A.     Chicago, Illinois    Knowingly making under oath a false declaration regarding a material fact before a grand jury
YINGLING, William Stanley         Interstate transportation of stolen vehicle
YOUNG, Phillip David    Little Rock, Arkansas    Interstate transportation and sale of fish and wildlife
Jibbles
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Well, he still gets a $250,000 fine and 2 years probation. Does he deserve the prison time? It's tough to say. While he was a "first-time offender with years of exceptional public service" (said Bush), he was still found guilty in a court of law. The $250,000 may not be as much of a burden to him as it would be to the rest of us, but it is still a big chunk of change. I mean, he's not a movie star...
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blisteringsilence wrote:

They all friggin do it
1.  Find the list from every other president that does this on their last day. I'll think you'll find it a rather custom 'poignant' farewell gesture.
2.  How much you wanna bet that bush does the same thing on his last day?
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blisteringsilence wrote:

A pardon, by its very definition, is for someone who has been proven guilty. And Clinton pardoned more criminals than any president in the past. Where was the outcry then?
Was your head buried in the sand?  Everybody and their mother complained about it, rightfully so.
Bertster7
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blisteringsilence wrote:

A pardon, by its very definition, is for someone who has been proven guilty.
No it isn't. You can be pardoned before you face trial.

In any case, it's not the pardons that bother me, it's the commutations (which Clinton was even worse for than pardons, Bush has commuted 4 sentences, Clinton nearly 10x that number).


What is the point of a presidential pardon? Why should the president be able to issue a pardon? It undermines the whole legal system and is something I am completely against.
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The whole trial was a fucking witch hunt.
Bertster7
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DSRTurtle wrote:

The whole trial was a fucking witch hunt.
Why is that?

There were a few British civil servants who leaked info recently. They got 6 months jail time. Simple as that.

He did the same, but in a far worse manner, actively trying to hide his involvement. The slimy lying cunt deserves jail time.
FEOS
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Let's see here...

Libby wasn't the leak...Armitage was. And Plame's "covert" status was not covered by the statute in question...as was stated in court by the very lawyer that wrote the statute.

Yet they still prosecuted Libby. The sentence given was more than the norm for the charge...the judge wanted to "send a message."

Three guesses on the political affiliation of the judge in question?

So now Libby (who I'm sure is no choir boy) can't vote or hold public office ever again. For a career politician, that's a fairly steep penalty. He's a federal convict unless he gets pardoned by Bush or his successor. However, I'm guessing he'll get a sweet book deal to help offset his $1M+ in legal fees and the $250k fine.

There isn't any part of this that is positive. Bush commuting the sentence didn't make it any better or any worse.
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golgoj4
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FEOS wrote:

Let's see here...

Libby wasn't the leak...Armitage was. And Plame's "covert" status was not covered by the statute in question...as was stated in court by the very lawyer that wrote the statute.

Yet they still prosecuted Libby. The sentence given was more than the norm for the charge...the judge wanted to "send a message."

Three guesses on the political affiliation of the judge in question?

So now Libby (who I'm sure is no choir boy) can't vote or hold public office ever again. For a career politician, that's a fairly steep penalty. He's a federal convict unless he gets pardoned by Bush or his successor. However, I'm guessing he'll get a sweet book deal to help offset his $1M+ in legal fees and the $250k fine.

There isn't any part of this that is positive. Bush commuting the sentence didn't make it any better or any worse.
Yeah, the judge is republican. Like everyone else in the process. Republican appointed judges and prosecutors.  And he wasnt convicted of leaking her name. He was convicted of lying to federal prosecutors in an attempt to hide his involvement. Whats not to understand? Lies at the level of gov't are treason IMO, so he got off easy.
DSRTurtle
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golgoj4 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Let's see here...

Libby wasn't the leak...Armitage was. And Plame's "covert" status was not covered by the statute in question...as was stated in court by the very lawyer that wrote the statute.

Yet they still prosecuted Libby. The sentence given was more than the norm for the charge...the judge wanted to "send a message."

Three guesses on the political affiliation of the judge in question?

So now Libby (who I'm sure is no choir boy) can't vote or hold public office ever again. For a career politician, that's a fairly steep penalty. He's a federal convict unless he gets pardoned by Bush or his successor. However, I'm guessing he'll get a sweet book deal to help offset his $1M+ in legal fees and the $250k fine.

There isn't any part of this that is positive. Bush commuting the sentence didn't make it any better or any worse.
Yeah, the judge is republican. Like everyone else in the process. Republican appointed judges and prosecutors.  And he wasnt convicted of leaking her name. He was convicted of lying to federal prosecutors in an attempt to hide his involvement. Whats not to understand? Lies at the level of gov't are treason IMO, so he got off easy.
And Bill Clinton lying under oath to a judge isn't? 

The only person I have seen read, or heard claming anything about Valerie Plame's covert status was her husband.  The democrats were only interested in trying to fry someone from the Bush administration.  They would prefer to fry Cheney or Bush himself but they are going after anyone for anything.
CameronPoe
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DSRTurtle wrote:

golgoj4 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Let's see here...

Libby wasn't the leak...Armitage was. And Plame's "covert" status was not covered by the statute in question...as was stated in court by the very lawyer that wrote the statute.

Yet they still prosecuted Libby. The sentence given was more than the norm for the charge...the judge wanted to "send a message."

Three guesses on the political affiliation of the judge in question?

So now Libby (who I'm sure is no choir boy) can't vote or hold public office ever again. For a career politician, that's a fairly steep penalty. He's a federal convict unless he gets pardoned by Bush or his successor. However, I'm guessing he'll get a sweet book deal to help offset his $1M+ in legal fees and the $250k fine.

There isn't any part of this that is positive. Bush commuting the sentence didn't make it any better or any worse.
Yeah, the judge is republican. Like everyone else in the process. Republican appointed judges and prosecutors.  And he wasnt convicted of leaking her name. He was convicted of lying to federal prosecutors in an attempt to hide his involvement. Whats not to understand? Lies at the level of gov't are treason IMO, so he got off easy.
And Bill Clinton lying under oath to a judge isn't? 

The only person I have seen read, or heard claming anything about Valerie Plame's covert status was her husband.  The democrats were only interested in trying to fry someone from the Bush administration.  They would prefer to fry Cheney or Bush himself but they are going after anyone for anything.
LOL. Are you serious? You do know the Republicans got Bill Clinton impeached for lying about messing around on his wife?? A damn sight more acceptable than outing CIA operatives! Republicans - talk about pathetic!

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-07-02 17:17:16)

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iamangry
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Do you think there will be a public outcry a-la Paris Hilton?  Me thinks not.  I'm sure Americans care more about how a dumb cunt is treated than a man who put a federal employee's life in danger

This pisses me off a great deal, but I can't honestly say it suprises me.

How many times do you think our crazy-biased lefty media will hold Bush accountable and ask him why?
Ken Jennings either doesn't have his facts right or he believes someone who gets something wrong on his testimony to a grand jury in an attempt to expedite the process should be politically pushed through the justice system by an opposing party and sent to prison for perjury rather than the person whom really put the federal desk worker in danger by breaking her cover

However, Americans do care more about a dumb cunt, and there's definitely something wrong about that, but it doesn't surprise me either.
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blisteringsilence wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

I agree, it's rediculous. TBH, I had an idea something of this kind would happen, but I hadn't thought they'd let him get off completely. It's crazy. I don't really understand how Bush can get away with pardoning someone whose been proven guilty. I mean sure, he doesn't have to get elected again, but wouldn't it just compromise his ability to get anything done?
A pardon, by its very definition, is for someone who has been proven guilty. And Clinton pardoned more criminals than any president in the past. Where was the outcry then?

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm

Name    Home Town    Offenses
ALLEN, Verla Jean    Everton, Arkansas    False statements to agency of United States
ALTIERE, Nicholas M.    Las Vegas, Nevada    Importation of cocaine
ALTSCHUL, Bernice Ruth    Sherman Village, California    Conspiracy to commit money laundering
ANDERSON, Joe, Jr.    Grove Hill, Alabama    Income tax evasion
ANDERSON, William Sterling    Spartanburg, South Carolina    Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured financial institution, false statements to a federally insured financial institution, wire fraud
AZIZKHANI, Mansour T.    Huntsville, Alabama    Conspiracy and making false statements in bank loan applications
BABIN, Cleveland Victor, Jr.    Oklahoma City, Oklahoma    Conspiracy to commit offense against the United States by utilizing the U.S. mail in furtherance of a scheme to defraud
BAGLEY, Chris Harmon    Harrah, Oklahoma    Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine
BANE, Scott Lynn    Mahomet, Illinois    Unlawful distribution of marijuana
BARBER, Thomas Cleveland    Hampton, Florida    Issuing worthless checks
BARGON, Peggy Ann    Monticello, Illinois    Violation of the Lacey Act, violation of the Bald Eagle Protection Act
BHATKA, Tansukhlal         Income tax evasion
BLAMPIED, David Roscoe    Ketchum, Idaho    Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
BORDERS, William Arthur, Jr.    Washington, D.C.    Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions; corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein; traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery
BOREL, Arthur David    Little Rock, Arkansas    Odometer rollback
BOREL, Douglas Charles    Conway, Arkansas    Odometer rollback
BRABHAM, George Thomas    Austin, Texas    Making a false statement or report to a federally insured bank
BRASWELL, Almon Glenn     Doravilla, Georgia    Conspiracy to defraud government with respect to claims; perjury
BROWDER, Leonard    Aiken, South Carolina    Illegal dispensing of controlled substance and Medicaid fraud
BROWN, David Steven    New York, New York    Securities fraud and mail fraud
BURLESON, Delores Caroylene, aka Delores Cox Burleson    Hanna, Oklahoma    Possession of marijuana
BUSTAMANTE, John H.    Cleveland, Ohio    Wire fraud
CAMPBELL, Mary Louise    Ruleville, Mississippi    Aiding and abetting the unauthorized use and transfer of food stamps
CANDELARIA, Eloida         False information in registering to vote
CAPILI, Dennis Sobrevinas    Glendale, California    Filing false statements in alien registration
CHAMBERS, Donna Denise    Memphis, Tennessee    Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute and to distribute cocaine, possession with intent to distribute cocaine, use of a telephone to facilitate cocaine conspiracy
CHAPMAN, Douglas Eugene    Scott, Arkansas    Bank fraud
CHAPMAN, Ronald Keith    Scott, Arkansas    Bank fraud
CHAVEZ, Francisco Larios    Santa Ana, California    Aiding and abetting illegal entry of aliens
CISNEROS, Henry G.         
CLINTON, Roger         
COHN, Stuart Harris    New Haven, Connecticut    1. Illegal sale of gold options

2. Illegal sale of silver options
COOPER, David Marc    Wapakoneta, Ohio    Conspiracy to defraud the government
COX, Ernest Harley, Jr.    Pine Bluff, Arkansas    Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured savings and loan, misapplication of bank funds, false statements
CROSS, John F., Jr.    Little Rock, Arkansas    Embezzlement by a bank employee
CUNNINGHAM, Rickey Lee    Amarillo, Texas    Possession with intent to distribute marijuana
DE LABIO, Richard Anthony    Baltimore, Maryland    Mail fraud, aiding and abetting
DEUTCH, John         Described in January 19, 2001 information
DOUGLAS, Richard         False statements
DOWNE, Edward Reynolds         Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and tax evasion; securities fraud
DUDLEY, Marvin Dean    Omaha, Nebraska    False statements
DUNCAN, Larry Lee    Branson, Missouri    Altering an automobile odometer
FAIN, Robert Clinton         Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return
FERNANDEZ, Marcos Arcenio    Miami, Florida    Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana
FERROUILLET, Alvarez         Interstate transport of stolen property, money laundering, false statements
FUGAZY, William Denis    Harrison, New York    Perjury in a bankruptcy proceeding
GEORGE, Lloyd Reid         Mail fraud
GOLDSTEIN, Louis    Las Vegas, Nevada    Possession of goods stolen from interstate shipment
GORDON, Rubye Lee    Tampa, Florida    Forgery of U.S. Treasury checks
GREEN, Pincus    Switzerland    
HAMNER, Robert Ivey    Searcy, Arkansas    Conspiracy to distribute marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
HANDLEY, Samuel Price    Hodgenville, Kentucky    Conspiracy to steal government property
HANDLEY, Woodie Randolph    Hodgenville, Kentucky    Conspiracy to steal government property
HARMON, Jay Houston    Jonesboro, Arkansas    1. Conspiracy to import marijuana, conspiracy to possess marijuana with intent to distribute, importation of marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
2. Conspiracy to import cocaine
HEMMINGSON, John         Interstate transport of stolen property, money laundering
HERDLINGER, David S.    St. Simons Island, Georgia    Mail fraud
HUCKLEBERRY, Debi Rae    Ogden, Utah    Distribution of methamphetamine
JAMES, Donald Ray    Fairfield Bay, Arkansas    Mail fraud, wire fraud, and false statement to a bank to influence credit approval
JOBE, Stanley Pruet    El Paso, Texas    Conspiracy to commit bank fraud, and bank fraud
JOHNSON, Ruben H.    Austin, Texas     Theft and misapplication of bank funds by a bank officer or director
JONES, Linda          Conspiracy to commit bank fraud and other offenses against the United States
LAKE, James Howard         Illegal corporate campaign contributions, wire fraud
LEWIS, June Louise    Lowellville, Ohio    Embezzlement by a bank employee
LEWIS, Salim Bonnor    Short Hills, New Jersey    Securities fraud, record keeping violations, margin violations
LODWICK, John Leighton    Excelsior Springs, Missouri    Income tax evasion
LOPEZ, Hildebrando    San Isidro, Texas    Distribution of cocaine
LUACES, Jose Julio    Ft. Lauderdale, Florida    Possession of an unregistered firearm
MANESS, James Timothy         Conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance
MANNING, James Lowell    Little Rock, Arkansas    Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return
MARTIN, John Robert    Gulf Breeze, Florida    Income tax evasion
MARTINEZ, Frank Ayala    Elgin, Texas    Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service
MARTINEZ, Silvia Leticia Beltran    Elgin, Texas    Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service
McCORMICK, John Francis    Dedham, Massachusetts    Racketeering conspiracy, racketeering, and violation of the Hobbs act
McDOUGAL, Susan H.         
MECHANIC, Howard Lawrence         1. Violating the Civil Disobedience Act of 1968
2. Failure to appear
3. Making false statement in acquiring a passport
MITCHELL, Brook K., Sr.         Conspiracy to illegally obtain USDA subsidy payments, false statements to USDA, and false entries on USDA forms
MORGAN, Charles Wilfred, III    Little Rock, Arkansas    Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
MORISON, Samuel Loring    Crofton, Maryland    Willful transmission of defense information, unauthorized possession and retention of defense information, theft of government property
NAZZARO, Richard Anthony    Winchester, Massachusetts    Perjury and conspiracy to commit mail fraud
NOSENKO, Charlene Ann     Phoenix, Arizona    Conspiracy to defraud the United States, and influencing or injuring an officer or juror generally
OBERMEIER, Vernon Raymond    Belleville, Illinois    Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, distribution of cocaine, and using a communications facility to facilitate distribution of cocaine
OGALDE, Miguelina    Glendale, California    Conspiracy to import cocaine
OWEN, David C.    Olathe, Kansas    Filing a false tax return
PALMER, Robert W.    Little Rock, Arkansas    Conspiracy to make false statements
PERHOSKY, Kelli Anne    Bridgeville, Pennsylvania    Conspiracy to commit mail fraud
PEZZOPANE, Richard H.    Palo Heights, Illinois    Conspiracy to commit racketeering, and mail fraud
PHILLIPS, Orville Rex    Waco, Texas    Unlawful structure of a financial transaction
POLING, Vinson Stewart, Jr.    Baldwin, Maryland    Making a false bank entry, and aiding and abetting
PROUSE, Norman Lyle    Conyers, Georgia    Operating or directing the operation of a common carrier while under the influence of alcohol
PRUITT, Willie H. H., Jr.    Port Richey, Florida    Absent without official leave
PURSLEY, Danny Martin, Sr.    Goodlettsville, Tennessee    Aiding and abetting the conduct of an illegal gambling business, and obstruction of state laws to facilitate illegal gambling
RAVENEL, Charles D.    Charleston, South Carolina    Conspiracy to defraud the United States
RAY, William Clyde    Altus, Oklahoma    Fraud using a telephone
REGALADO, Alfredo Luna    Pharr, Texas    Failure to report the transportation of currency in excess of $10,000 into the United States
RICAFORT, Ildefonso Reynes    Houston, Texas    Submission of false claims to Veterans Administration
RICH, Marc    Switzerland    
RIDDLE, Howard Winfield    Mt. Crested Butte, Colorado    Violation of the Lacey Act (receipt of illegally imported animal skins)
RILEY, Richard Wilson, Jr.         Possession of cocaine with intent to distribute
ROBBINS, Samuel Lee    Cedar Park, Texas    Misprision of a felony
RODRIGUEZ, Joel Gonzales    Houston, Texas    Theft of mail by a postal employee
ROGERS, Michael James    McAllen, Texas    Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana
ROSS, Anna Louise    Lubbock, Texas    Distribution of cocaine
RUST, Gerald Glen    Avery, Texas    False declarations before grand jury
RUST, Jerri Ann    Avery, Texas    False declarations before grand jury
RUTHERFORD, Bettye June    Albuquerque, New Mexico    Possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
SANDS, Gregory Lee    Sioux Falls, South Dakota    Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
SCHWIMMER, Adolph         Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, conspiracy to export arms and ammunition to a foreign country and related charges
SERETTI, Albert A., Jr.    McKees Rocks, Pennyslvania    Conspiracy and wire fraud
SHAW, Patricia Campbell Hearst    Wilton, Connecticut    Armed bank robbery and using a firearm during a felony
SMITH, Dennis Joseph    Redby, Minnesota    1. Unauthorized absence
2. Failure to obey off-limits instructions
3. Unauthorized absence
SMITH, Gerald Owen    Florence, Mississippi    Armed bank robbery
SMITH, Stephen A.         
SPEAKE, Jimmie Lee    Breckenridge, Texas    Conspiracy to possess and utter counterfeit $20 Federal Reserve notes
STEWART, Charles Bernard    Sparta, Georgia    Illegally destroying U.S. Mail
STEWART-ROLLINS, Marlena Francisca    Euclid, Ohio    Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
SYMINGTON, John Fife, III         
TANNEHILL, Richard Lee    Reno, Nevada    Conspiracy and restraint of trade
TENAGLIA, Nicholas C.    Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania    Receipt of illegal payments under the Medicare program
THOMAS, Gary Allen    Lancaster, Texas    Theft of mail by postal employee
TODD, Larry Weldon    Gardendale, Texas    Conspiracy to commit an offense against the U.S. in violation of the Lacey Act and the Airborne Hunting Act
TREVINO, Olga C.     Converse, Texas    Misapplication by a bank employee
VAMVOUKLIS, Ignatious    Exeter, New Hampshire    Possession of cocaine
VAN DE WEERD, Patricia A.    Tomahawk, Wisconsin    Theft by a U.S. Postal employee
WADE, Christopher V.         
WARMATH, Bill Wayne    Walls, Mississippi    Obstruction of correspondence
WATSON, Jack Kenneth    Oakridge, Oregon    Making false statements of material facts to the U.S. Forest Service
WEBB, Donna Lynn    Panama City, Florida    False entry in savings and loan record by employee
WELLS, Donald William    Phenix City, Alabama    Possession of an unregistered firearm
WENDT, Robert H.    Kirkwood, Missouri    Conspiracy to effectuate the escape of a federal prisoner
WILLIAMS, Jack L.         Making false statements to federal agents
WILLIAMS, Kevin Arthur    Omaha, Nebraska    Conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute crack cocaine
WILLIAMS, Robert Michael    Davison, Michigan    Conspiracy to transport in foreign commerce securities obtained by fraud
WILSON, Jimmie Lee    Helena, Arkansas    Converting property mortgaged or pledged to a farm credit agency, and converting public money to personal use
WINGATE, Thelma Louise    Sale City, Georgia    Mail fraud
WOOD, Mitchell Couey    Sherwood, Arkansas    Conspiracy to possess and to distribute cocaine
WOOD, Warren Stannard    Las Vegas, Nevada    Conspiracy to defraud the United States by filing a false document with the Securities and Exchange Commission
WORTHEY, Dewey    Conway, Arkansas    Medicaid fraud
YALE, Rick Allen    Belleville, Illinois    Bank fraud
YASAK, Joseph A.     Chicago, Illinois    Knowingly making under oath a false declaration regarding a material fact before a grand jury
YINGLING, William Stanley         Interstate transportation of stolen vehicle
YOUNG, Phillip David    Little Rock, Arkansas    Interstate transportation and sale of fish and wildlife

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