vonSteuben
Member
+3|7126|Essen - Germany
The Magen David Adom (Meaning "Red Shield of David" or "Red Star of David" uses this emblem:


The emblem is not recognized by the Geneva Convention.

But the ICRC was aware of the problems that the Cross and Crescent could be seen as religious symbols. Iran used the Lion with Sun from their national flag (in red) as symbol for their relief agency from 1924 until 1980. This symbol is recognized by the GC.

The so-called "Third Protocol Emblem" is a red crystal:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Red_Diamond.png/150px-Red_Diamond.png

National relief agencies can use their own symbol inside the "crystal" when working abroad:

Here is a link to several examples from Wiki:

Red Crystal Flags


Just tell me, when to shut up

See ya,
vonSteuben
[Valhalla]iMac_Attack
Member
+2|7184|Houston, Texas

vonSteuben wrote:

The Magen David Adom (Meaning "Red Shield of David" or "Red Star of David" uses this emblem:


The emblem is not recognized by the Geneva Convention.

But the ICRC was aware of the problems that the Cross and Crescent could be seen as religious symbols. Iran used the Lion with Sun from their national flag (in red) as symbol for their relief agency from 1924 until 1980. This symbol is recognized by the GC.

The so-called "Third Protocol Emblem" is a red crystal:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … iamond.png

National relief agencies can use their own symbol inside the "crystal" when working abroad:

Here is a link to several examples from Wiki:

Red Crystal Flags


Just tell me, when to shut up

See ya,
vonSteuben
You by have to be the most intelligent guy on this board, tell me about German pussy.
Echo
WOoKie
+383|7143|The Netherlands
Lol let me revive this topic by saying, i think german pussies are the same as dutch, they also say miauw all the time.

On topic please!
Matiandos
Member
+2|7109|Lappeenranta, Finland
As BF2 is meant to portra y a global war in the near future ( Wake 2007 )  I Think the Medic pack symbol should be the red crystal
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Red_Diamond.png/150px-Red_Diamond.png
with the Cross for the USMC, the Cresent fro the MEC and a Han symbol for " to Heal " or " Medicine " or "Care"  (you get the symbol , ) for The PLA.


EDIT: I found a symbol, now someone just paint it red and put it inside the crystal.

https://www.formosa-translation.com/chinese/hh/h36.gif

It means One that heals or attempts to heal.  So its definently fitting, since some do heal and some just attempt, lol !

Last edited by Matiandos (2006-01-29 03:38:52)

Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7198|Noizyland

Wow. You learn something new every day. I thought the Red Cross was an international symbol, (it is still an international organisation though.)
Makes sense though.

However, why do they have to be red? If you change the symbol is there any reason why you can't change the colour too?
[Blinking eyes thing]
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Echo
WOoKie
+383|7143|The Netherlands
I guess that has to do with the geneva convention. They agreed on certain protected symbols with a certain colour, i guess its white and a red symbol. Btw the same geneva convention also states you cant use or destroy churches, hospitals and stuff like that. There's stuff in it about that you cant use dum dum bullets, cerated bajonets, about how treat a prisoner of war and what rights he has etc. I think i remember there's even a rule to protect medics giving first aid to teammates but i m not sure, it been about 10 years when i got the geneva convention in bootkamp.

Last edited by General-Echo (2006-01-29 05:51:52)

[QXJZ]Capt_Kefra
Alright, you're good to go!
+124|7152|Honolulu, HI
Very interesting thread...considering that it was started half-jokingly, it's become remarkably intellectual.  I also didn't know the "red cross" symbol for first aid wasn't international, and can see why, if Israelis use a "red Star of David" and Middle East countries use a crescent, foreigners might interpret our use of a cross as proselytization for Christianity.

Anyhow, of those two kanji (Chinese characters) posted a little ways above, I recognize the second.  In Japanese it's "nao(su)" which roughly translates as "(to) repair or heal", and I'd assume in Chinese it has approximately the same meaning.  (I have no fucking clue as to the meaning of the first.)

All of this ultimately leads up to The Big Question, though.  Surely if I suffer a life-threatening injury in one of the above-mentioned countries, wouldn't it make more sense to have a single, internationally standardized symbol that I, in my traumatically injured state, can recognize as meaning "first aid"?  I mean, it doesn't have to be a cross, if it bothers Jews, Muslims, etc. so much, just so long as I recognize that it can save my life.
vonSteuben
Member
+3|7126|Essen - Germany
I just realized that calling the third protocol emblem "Red Crystal" makes sense (it was late yesterday, when I wrote about it )
So the short form for the organisation still is ICRC... International Comittee of the Red C.... (Cross, Crescent, Crystal)

And I agree with Matiandons: The symbol on the different medipacks should be the crystal. Since including the emblem of the national relief agencies is optional it would be enough to put an empty crystal on them, this way EA wouldn't have to change one and include two new textures, but just have to change the one that is used for all the medipacks anyway

See ya,
vonSteuben
Friluftshund
I cnat slpel!!!
+54|7137|Norway
Nice - I started a thread that actually went somewhere...

And about the crystal - that could also become a EA way of making a statement that the possibility of unification of the medical forces is real...

A little political twist from EA's side - which probably will never happen...

Thanks vonSteuben for actually bothering to look all this info up and posting it - even though it was, potentially, putting you in flames way so to speak
Matiandos
Member
+2|7109|Lappeenranta, Finland
Lets start drafting a letter to EA inwich all the reasons fro this change are listed our suggestions made and a petiton enclosed.  We can do it !!
Echo
WOoKie
+383|7143|The Netherlands

Friluftshund wrote:

Nice - I started a thread that actually went somewhere...
Lol, i must say i also like the direction this thread is going too, thats the reason i tried to revive it again early this morning.

Btw i ve been looking for a good version of the geneva convention to make a little contribution to this topic. I found these 2 links with are probably good sources if you are interested in the geneva convention and human rights.

http://www.redcross.lv/en/conventions.htm#geneva (the short version)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention (the long version)

Last edited by General-Echo (2006-01-29 06:28:42)

Matiandos
Member
+2|7109|Lappeenranta, Finland
So lets start drafting a petition, when its ready we could either start an idenpendet website, and advertise it on the official forums and BF2S forums. But its important that we first find the key points and make designs of the purposed symbols inside the crystal, if they would be included.
Matiandos
Member
+2|7109|Lappeenranta, Finland
baby turn around, and let meee see that sexy thread go: bump, bump, bump
Friluftshund
I cnat slpel!!!
+54|7137|Norway
Hehe - nice one

If you'r serious you don't have to do all that much in order to write a functioning petition. if they like the idea they'll form it like they want and need to in order to make it work.

Just explain how it would be cool if the different factions had different medic-signs. Or, by using the crustal without any filling it would send a message that in the future all medical organizations will be united under one banner..

Go for it!
Matiandos
Member
+2|7109|Lappeenranta, Finland
So where should I email this suggestion to ?  Should I also post it into the official EA forums ?
theDude5B
Cool member
+805|7174
maybe EA will delay the release of patch 1.2 now to change the image on the MEC and Chinese medic bags?

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