ShaitanArba
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+1|6588|Moscow, Russia

Bertster7 wrote:

A bit like the US you mean?

They get their oil from Canada, Mexico and the Saudis, despite being the 3rd largest producer of oil.
Not only the third largest producer, but a first consumer too.
EVieira
Member
+105|6922|Lutenblaag, Molvania

ShaitanArba wrote:

Only one question to topicstarter - WHY do you want to BEAT Iran, or why is it needed?
Not really my intention to defeat Iran, its just that I saw Iran's weak point in the news. I would really like to visit Iran someday, it is probably a great place considering the thousands of years of culture there. And I love arabian food...

Ahmanedija's nuclear ambitions is something that needs to be curbed, though. He's a maniac, just like Bush. They probably would've been be good friends in other circumstances.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|7212

EVieira wrote:

Just embargo its fuel imports and it is crippled. That's right, despite being an immensely oil-rich country Iran has a fuel shortage problem. The government has enacted fuel a rationing that has sparked riots.

How can you have so much oil and not be able to refine at least enough for your own country??? Brazil probably has a tenth of their reserves, and still we produce and refine nearly all we need.

Iran is all talk, no bark.

Iran fuel rations spark violence
Sanctions only hurt the citizens. Not the governments
ShaitanArba
Member
+1|6588|Moscow, Russia

EVieira wrote:

Ahmanedija's nuclear ambitions is something that needs to be curbed, though. He's a maniac, just like Bush. They probably would've been be good friends in other circumstances.
Well, so i can understand why Iran have to be defeated in your opinion both I've realied you do not want any war there. Maybe you're right, maybe not, doesn't matter.

But there's one more point. This point consists of the fact that not only Iran has a nuclear (peaceful or offensive, doesn't matter) program. There are some in Pakistan, India, Northern Korea, Brazil etc. There are few nuclear states in the world - China, France, USA, Russia etc.

Why is it not needed to offend using any methods on those countries? Why just Iran? Even if it is supposed to Iran is making nukes and missiles, those countries already have both.

Our government is helping Iran to build their nuclear power plant. All but some reactors can produce nuclear materials that can be used in some kind of weapons. But nobody except some people in the top of the Iranian government knows would this be, or not. It was never claimed that Iran tries to make a nuclear weapon. So where is the presumption of nonculpability? Is the Iranian offensive nuclear program proved by anyone?

And the answer is no. So it's just a conjecture.
EVieira
Member
+105|6922|Lutenblaag, Molvania

ShaitanArba wrote:

EVieira wrote:

Ahmanedija's nuclear ambitions is something that needs to be curbed, though. He's a maniac, just like Bush. They probably would've been be good friends in other circumstances.
Well, so i can understand why Iran have to be defeated in your opinion both I've realied you do not want any war there. Maybe you're right, maybe not, doesn't matter.

But there's one more point. This point consists of the fact that not only Iran has a nuclear (peaceful or offensive, doesn't matter) program. There are some in Pakistan, India, Northern Korea, Brazil etc. There are few nuclear states in the world - China, France, USA, Russia etc.

Why is it not needed to offend using any methods on those countries? Why just Iran? Even if it is supposed to Iran is making nukes and missiles, those countries already have both.

Our government is helping Iran to build their nuclear power plant. All but some reactors can produce nuclear materials that can be used in some kind of weapons. But nobody except some people in the top of the Iranian government knows would this be, or not. It was never claimed that Iran tries to make a nuclear weapon. So where is the presumption of nonculpability? Is the Iranian offensive nuclear program proved by anyone?

And the answer is no. So it's just a conjecture.
I concede, you have a point. Actually, now that its clear Iran has energy issues, it does make sense to have a nuclear program. But Iran needs to allow international inspectors to see their plants, just as Brazil and others have done in the past, or risk getting bombed. Again.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7025|SE London

ShaitanArba wrote:

Our government is helping Iran to build their nuclear power plant. All but some reactors can produce nuclear materials that can be used in some kind of weapons. But nobody except some people in the top of the Iranian government knows would this be, or not. It was never claimed that Iran tries to make a nuclear weapon. So where is the presumption of nonculpability? Is the Iranian offensive nuclear program proved by anyone?

And the answer is no. So it's just a conjecture.
If it's just conjecture, why have the Iranians refused offers to have enriched uranium imported, rather than enriching it themselves. It is being in control of the enrichment process that gives them the scope to expand into developing nuclear weapons. The international community is fast running out of options and if some serious action is not taken soon, then we could see a real crisis in the Middle East.

Perhaps if Israel complied with the NPT (or were pushed into doing so by the international community, on the condition Iran stopped their nuclear program) and got rid of their nuclear capabilities under IAEA supervision, Iran might be more receptive to the idea of scrapping their nuclear ambitions.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-07-03 09:59:39)

Kmar
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Time to revisit this poll?
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EVieira
Member
+105|6922|Lutenblaag, Molvania

Bertster7 wrote:

ShaitanArba wrote:

Our government is helping Iran to build their nuclear power plant. All but some reactors can produce nuclear materials that can be used in some kind of weapons. But nobody except some people in the top of the Iranian government knows would this be, or not. It was never claimed that Iran tries to make a nuclear weapon. So where is the presumption of nonculpability? Is the Iranian offensive nuclear program proved by anyone?

And the answer is no. So it's just a conjecture.
If it's just conjecture, why have the Iranians refused offers to have enriched uranium imported, rather than enriching it themselves. It is being in control of the enrichment process that gives them the scope to expand into developing nuclear weapons. The international community is fast running out of options and if some serious action is not taken soon, then we could see a real crisis in the Middle East.
Every country wants to be as independent as possible in terms of energy. Thats more than enough reason to want to manufacture your own nuclear fuel. I don't like admitting it, but there is a double standard when it comes to Iran. Brazil not only recently announced that its building a new nuclear plant, but also that it is enlarging and upgrading its enriching facilities to provide 100% of our nuclear fuel in a decade or so. If Iran decided to do any of this it probably would be invaded;

Bertster7 wrote:

Perhaps if Israel complied with the NPT (or were pushed into doing so by the international community, on the condition Iran stopped their nuclear program) and got rid of their nuclear capabilities under IAEA supervision, Iran might be more receptive to the idea of scrapping their nuclear ambitions.
Thats a nice idea, if only the US would help out...
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)

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