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ATG wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

ATG wrote:

See what I mean?

There is no bridging this divide in our perceptions. The sense of futility is largely what keeps me restrained.
You are idealistic and young, I wish you nothing but success.  Your loggerheaded perception required comment.


We exist in different worlds.

Why should that mean we should not debate a subject?

I am not loggerheaded - if you can convince me that economies must grow, then I will admit I am wrong.

You are the one being loggerheaded. I am open to debate.

Ok. Just 'cause I'm feeling frisky...
Lets say you have a village in 1900 that had five hundred people. The total GDP is 1 million dollars and the consume 700000 dollars worth of goods.

Fifty years go by, The village is now 1700 people with a GDP of 3.4 million dollars and they consume roughly 250000 dollars worth of goods.

Simply existing leads to growth unless their is intervention.



Reading between the line it's sounds to me like you are suggesting Nazi like population controls to achieve this ' no growth economy ' you mentioned.
So tell me, who will select what people to cull, and what will be the method of keeping the population at a sustainable no growth quantity?




See how retarded this is?

ATG wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

ATG wrote:

See what I mean?

There is no bridging this divide in our perceptions. The sense of futility is largely what keeps me restrained.
You are idealistic and young, I wish you nothing but success.  Your loggerheaded perception required comment.


We exist in different worlds.

Why should that mean we should not debate a subject?

I am not loggerheaded - if you can convince me that economies must grow, then I will admit I am wrong.

You are the one being loggerheaded. I am open to debate.

Ok. Just 'cause I'm feeling frisky...
Lets say you have a village in 1900 that had five hundred people. The total GDP is 1 million dollars and the consume 700000 dollars worth of goods.

Fifty years go by, The village is now 1700 people with a GDP of 3.4 million dollars and they consume roughly 250000 dollars worth of goods.

Simply existing leads to growth unless their is intervention.



Reading between the line it's sounds to me like you are suggesting Nazi like population controls to achieve this ' no growth economy ' you mentioned.
So tell me, who will select what people to cull, and what will be the method of keeping the population at a sustainable no growth quantity?




See how retarded this is?

ATG wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

ATG wrote:

Ok. Just 'cause I'm feeling frisky...
Lets say you have a village in 1900 that had five hundred people. The total GDP is 1 million dollars and the consume 700000 dollars worth of goods.

Fifty years go by, The village is now 1700 people with a GDP of 3.4 million dollars and they consume roughly 250000 dollars worth of goods.

Simply existing leads to growth unless their is intervention.



Reading between the line it's sounds to me like you are suggesting Nazi like population controls to achieve this ' no growth economy ' you mentioned.
So tell me, who will select what people to cull, and what will be the method of keeping the population at a sustainable no growth quantity?




See how retarded this is?

No. I'm saying population growth and economic growth ARE NOT LINKED.

Economies grow because economists and politicians say they should. They say they should because GDP is used as a measure of how 'well' a country is doing. This is a false premise. GDP does not equate to success. There is no reason why economies have to grow.

That's because you are using a entirely different set of standards to judge economic growth than the rest of the world. Or you are attempting to be so esoteric it is lost.

In my world,  a group of 5000 people have a bigger economy than a group of  500. Both may have a unemployement rate of 8% of the bigger group requires more food, more gas, more doctors, has a higher tax base.

If you like, I can point out the nose on your face as well.

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2007-07-03 23:56:18)

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