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2007-07-05 10:59:17
DeathBecomesYu
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19608449/

I try to use logic when I can and here is an example. Take a look at the link and think about why nobody on these forums are saying anything about this and why there isn't a huge uproar in the Muslim world about first, women and children being used as shields or second, that a mosque is a battle ground that, once again, radical "Muslims" have taken refuge in a mosque. If this was an American army besieging a mosque...there would be protests all over the Arab world and our media would be all over it.

But it gets very little media coverage and of course there is nothing, no protests, no marches...nothing! It is such a hypocrisy on so many levels. Now, if there are protests, it should be against so called "men" taking women, children and a mosque hostage to protect their cowardly asses. Keep this on topic...I don't want to hear anything about Iraq or Bush. They have nothing to do with this....its about media reaction, public reaction and how the Muslim world sits on their hands when something like this happens.
2007-07-05 11:06:41
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Umm little media coverage? It happens to be news story numero uno at reuters. http://www.reuters.com/
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Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-07-05 11:12:54
CameronPoe
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DeathBecomesYu wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19608449/

I try to use logic when I can and here is an example. Take a look at the link and think about why nobody on these forums are saying anything about this and why there isn't a huge uproar in the Muslim world about first, women and children being used as shields or second, that a mosque is a battle ground that, once again, radical "Muslims" have taken refuge in a mosque. If this was an American army besieging a mosque...there would be protests all over the Arab world and our media would be all over it.

But it gets very little media coverage and of course there is nothing, no protests, no marches...nothing! It is such a hypocrisy on so many levels. Now, if there are protests, it should be against so called "men" taking women, children and a mosque hostage to protect their cowardly asses. Keep this on topic...I don't want to hear anything about Iraq or Bush. They have nothing to do with this....its about media reaction, public reaction and how the Muslim world sits on their hands when something like this happens.
You want to know the reason DBY? It's because we expect nothing less from nations like Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. We expect more of the US. Should that not make you proud? It would also partly be something to do with the fact that Pakistan has little or no effect on the rest of the world (except for maybe India and Afghanistan).

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2007-07-05 11:14:37
GunSlinger OIF II
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this might be the death blow for the musharef govt in pakistan
2007-07-05 11:15:31
CameronPoe
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

this might be the death blow for the musharef govt in pakistan
Now there's something to shit your pants about.
2007-07-05 11:17:01
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

this might be the death blow for the musharef govt in pakistan
You've got to love it when a Nuclear power is teetering on the brink of collapse.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-07-05 11:17:46
GunSlinger OIF II
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CameronPoe wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

this might be the death blow for the musharef govt in pakistan
Now there's something to shit your pants about.
its BAD.  this is just the kind of catalyst that the taliban like militias in pakistan just might need.   So far  they say 27 females students were killed by govt mortars, the govt says they lobbed no mortars.  who ever is telling the truth it doesnt  matter, the poorest of the population will see the dead bodies and the militias will gain more support.
2007-07-05 11:19:16
DeathBecomesYu
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If you call yourself a civilized country...then you should always expect more....whether you are the United States, China or Pakistan. I expect more from our country and less from our country. Yes, I do feel America has its hands in too much. I feel the American government should focus more on problems on the home front. There are much better ways to spend the money we throw around.

But, it still doesn't change the hypocrisy involved in things like this. Now, there may be coverage here and there but like I said...if it involved an American army or soldier...it would be all over the news...not just her or there. Now, my biggest complaint is that we never or rarely see public protests in regards to situations like this coming from the general Muslim public. But again, if we were involved....guaranteed there would be. Anyhow...I guess its just the world we live in.

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2007-07-05 11:20:16
CameronPoe
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

this might be the death blow for the musharef govt in pakistan
Now there's something to shit your pants about.
its BAD.  this is just the kind of catalyst that the taliban like militias in pakistan just might need.   So far  they say 27 females students were killed by govt mortars, the govt says they lobbed no mortars.  who ever is telling the truth it doesnt  matter, the poorest of the population will see the dead bodies and the militias will gain more support.
I saw a documentary recently carried out by a Pakistani BBC journalist. He was travelling all over Pakistan, interviewing the common folk and those in government. There seemed to be a lot of dissent - a lot - with many in the countryside saying that the Imams served them better than the military dictatorship. Oddly their gripe with government was economic stagnation - it's strange to see it acting as the catalyst for radical Islam in real time like that.

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2007-07-05 11:20:50
CaptainSpaulding71
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Why aren't there people burning Palestinian flags or screaming 'Death to Iran' or vids of people wiping their ass with pages from a Koran? 

...probably the gold leaf on the koran pages would chafe
2007-07-05 11:21:18
GunSlinger OIF II
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the American Army is all over the border territories of pakistan...not officially ofcourse but with permission from islamabad.
2007-07-05 11:21:23
FlemishHCmaniac
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DeathBecomesYu wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19608449]

But it gets very little media coverage and of course there is nothing, no protests, no marches...nothing!
It's been on the radio for the past two days and tonight it was on the news here. So it does get its fair share of media attention over here.
2007-07-05 11:24:59
DeathBecomesYu
Member
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FlemishHCmaniac wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19608449]

But it gets very little media coverage and of course there is nothing, no protests, no marches...nothing!
It's been on the radio for the past two days and tonight it was on the news here. So it does get its fair share of media attention over here.
Like I said...yes, here and there, hit and miss coverage....very little over here right now. But again, my main point is that NO ONE is seeing protest in in other countries condemning either the cowards who have taken women, children and a sacred mosque hostage or against a military attacking a mosque. If the shoe was on the other foot (i.e. American involvement) damn sure there would be.
2007-07-05 11:25:04
Mekstizzle
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This IS the backlash and there is somewhat high media coverage, and the Muslim fanatics pretty much do hate the Pakistan government. This does sound like the beginning of the end for the dictatorship. The whole fiasco is the protest itself.
2007-07-05 11:27:39
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7044|132 and Bush

FlemishHCmaniac wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19608449]

But it gets very little media coverage and of course there is nothing, no protests, no marches...nothing!
It's been on the radio for the past two days and tonight it was on the news here. So it does get its fair share of media attention over here.
It's the top story at AP and Reuters. It is happening right now also. Are we supposed to kick open the door run outside and start a protest the instant we see a news story reporting that someone is immoral?

DBY you cited a very mainstream news source in your OP http://www.msnbc.com/ . Homepage, top story. I know there are gaps in reporting but it doesn't seem to be the case in this one.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-07-05 11:30:31
GunSlinger OIF II
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CameronPoe wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Now there's something to shit your pants about.
its BAD.  this is just the kind of catalyst that the taliban like militias in Pakistan just might need.   So far  they say 27 females students were killed by govt mortars, the govt says they lobbed no mortars.  who ever is telling the truth it doesnt  matter, the poorest of the population will see the dead bodies and the militias will gain more support.
I saw a documentary recently carried out by a Pakistani BBC journalist. He was travelling all over Pakistan, interviewing the common folk and those in government. There seemed to be a lot of dissent - a lot - with many in the countryside saying that the Imams served them better than the military dictatorship. Oddly their gripe with government was economic stagnation - it's strange to see it acting as the catalyst for radical Islam in real time like that.
The amount of support that the militias has grown to unprecedented numbers ever since the fall of the taliban and the wave of afghani war lords using pakistan as the staging point.   I saw a documentary recently that discussed this very fact.  Political parties with a radical Islamic platform that did not exist 5 or 6 years ago have sprout up all over the place, have a strong enough voice in parliament, and have practically turned some of these border provinces into their own kind of autonomous kingdoms with little representation from the govt.  In a secular country, there were mobs of crazies going out on the streets tearing down billboards that had human images on them.  They follow sharia and listen to the religious scholars.  there numbers are small and they represent the minority now, but with Musharraf fucking it up, the moderates are starting to turn against him for a more democratic movement,  who knows.  All dictatorships end in catastrophe.  Democracy in Pakistan will be great, but the period that will follow Musharraf for that democracy to take place might be terrible.
2007-07-05 11:32:11
sergeriver
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Little media coverage?  Lol, it's in the frontpage of every major news media.

Edit: sorry, Kmarion I didn't read your post saying the same thing.

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2007-07-05 11:32:14
CameronPoe
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DeathBecomesYu wrote:

FlemishHCmaniac wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19608449]

But it gets very little media coverage and of course there is nothing, no protests, no marches...nothing!
It's been on the radio for the past two days and tonight it was on the news here. So it does get its fair share of media attention over here.
Like I said...yes, here and there, hit and miss coverage....very little over here right now. But again, my main point is that NO ONE is seeing protest in in other countries condemning either the cowards who have taken women, children and a sacred mosque hostage or against a military attacking a mosque. If the shoe was on the other foot (i.e. American involvement) damn sure there would be.
There has been plenty of media coverage and to answer you question about why America and why not Pakistan it's like this:

Do you hear me complaining about the plight of illegal Mexican immigrants in the US?

Do you hear me complaining about the US constitution?

Do you hear me complaining about US gun laws?

No.

Why?

Because they're DOMESTIC issues to be deal with by AMERICANS.

They only things people pour scorn on is when a country is taking action outside its own borders, whether it be the US, Russia, China or whoever. At the moment the biggest culprit is the US so it's no surprise that there is such a global anti-US sentiment at the moment.
2007-07-05 12:04:33
CaptainSpaulding71
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CameronPoe wrote:

Do you hear me complaining about the plight of illegal Mexican immigrants in the US?

Do you hear me complaining about the US constitution?

Do you hear me complaining about US gun laws?
i seem to recall hearing a few complaints from you about the first and third issues here on these forums. 

for that matter, i hear these things all the time (from Mexicans and people who don't like guns).

however, i understand your point of people not complaining so much about American Domestic policy as opposed to its foreign policy.

...now that i have your attention, will you address the concrete steps we should take to eliminate islamic fascism?
2007-07-05 12:11:08
CameronPoe
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CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

...now that i have your attention, will you address the concrete steps we should take to eliminate islamic fascism?
Keep them over there and keep us over here. Simple as that. Nuclear deterrency will do the rest, as successfully demonstrated during the Cold War.

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2007-07-05 12:12:02
GunSlinger OIF II
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CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

will you address the concrete steps we should take to eliminate islamic fascism?
eliminate poverty.  eliminate corporate greed.  fair trade instead of free trade.  put more stock in the United Nations instead of complaining about how shitty the organization is.  Its on us as world citizens to fix that entity.  Its there for a reason.  Islamic Fascism (I would rather call it fundamental religious rule) rises from the uneducated and the poor.  Is it better to treat the symptons or get rid of the disease in the first place?  I know a lot of people will disagree with, especially with the UN.  But the problem as I see it, is that there is too much whining and not enough action.  People get too stuck on what its not doing when they should talking about how to fix that problem in the first place.  The UN is great idea.  and its young.  Its got room for error right now.  My opinion, im stupid.
2007-07-05 12:13:29
Bertster7
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

will you address the concrete steps we should take to eliminate islamic fascism?
eliminate poverty.  eliminate corporate greed.


That'll be the day.....


2007-07-05 12:15:28
CaptainSpaulding71
Member
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CameronPoe wrote:

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

...now that i have your attention, will you address the concrete steps we should take to eliminate islamic fascism?
Keep them over there and keep us over here. Simple as that. Nuclear deterrency will do the rest, as successfully demonstrated during the Cold War.
the flaw in this argument is that for nuclear deterrence to work, you have to want to live.  seems like the people intending to use nukes on US/Israel are the ones looking for those 72 virgins in the land of milk and honey. 

I'd actually consider relocating the Israelis to the US.  It would be great to have more doctors, scientists, and educated people over here.
2007-07-05 12:16:03
DeathBecomesYu
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Honestly...I could care less about the coverage at this point...when I made my post...the story was new and it has grown since then...of course it was our holiday yesterday,,,,up late and slept in today...so my bad.

But that is not the main point I was making. Wow...people get a hold of something and forget the rest of the post. My main point was that we will not see protests from the muslim world because of this. I'm not expecting people to rush out onto the streets all at once but we will not see protests from the mainstream muslim world against what these cowards are doing. It just wont happen....but if it was an American army operation....hell yes, we would see demonstrations in countries like Iran, Syria..etc., it has happened before and it is very hypocritical. That is all I am saying.
2007-07-05 12:17:21
CameronPoe
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CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

...now that i have your attention, will you address the concrete steps we should take to eliminate islamic fascism?
Keep them over there and keep us over here. Simple as that. Nuclear deterrency will do the rest, as successfully demonstrated during the Cold War.
the flaw in this argument is that for nuclear deterrence to work, you have to want to live.  seems like the people intending to use nukes on US/Israel are the ones looking for those 72 virgins in the land of milk and honey. 

I'd actually consider relocating the Israelis to the US.  It would be great to have more doctors, scientists, and educated people over here.
Islamic terrorists nuking USA? Don't be preposterous. They'll be nuking each other before they get around to that. I don't think any Islamic nation will nuke Israel - they're not stupid - but a group of rogue bandits could attempt a dirty bomb at some point.

 

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