CoronadoSEAL
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this is an article i read from the Wall Street Journal on 3 July 2007.  i thought it was good enough to share with you all.

Ted Nugent wrote:

This summer marks the 40th anniversary of the so-called Summer of Love.  Honest and intelligent people will remember it for what it really was: the Summer of Drugs.

     Forty years ago hordes of stoned, dirty, stinky hippies converged on San Francisco to “turn on, tune in, and drop out,” which was the calling card of LSD proponent Timothy Leary.  Turned off by the work ethic and productive American Dream values of their parents, hippies instead opted for a cowardly, irresponsible lifestyle of random sex, life-destroying drugs and mostly soulless rock music that flourished in San Francisco. 
   
     The Summer of Drugs climaxed with the Monterey Pop Festival which included some truly virtuoso musical talents such as Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin, both of whom would be dead a couple years later due to drug abuse.  Other musical geniuses such as Jim Morrison and Mama Cass would also be dead due to drugs within a few short years.  The bodies of chemical-infested, brain-dead liberal deniers continue to stack up like cordwood.

     As a diehard musician, I terribly miss these very talented people who squandered God’s gifts in favor of poison and the joke of hipness.  I often wonder what musical peaks they could have climbed if they not gagged to death on their own vomit.  Their choice of dope over quality of life, musical talent and meaningful relationships with loved ones can only be categorized as despicably selfish. 
   
     I literally had to step over stoned, drooling, band mates, concert promoters and staff to pursue my musical American Dream throughout the 1960’s and 1970’s.  I flushed more dope and cocaine down backstage toilets than I care to remember.  In utter frustration I was even forced to punch my way through violent dopers on occasion.  So much for the peace and love.  The DEA should make me an honorary officer.
   
     I was forced to fire band members and business associates due to mindless, dangerous, illegal drug use.  Clean and sober for 59 years, I am still rocking my brains out and approaching my 6,000 concert.  Clean and sober is the real party. 
   
     Young people make mistakes.  I’ve made my share, but none that involved placing my life or the livers of others at risk because of dope.  I saw first-hand too many destroyed lives and wrecked families to ever want to drool and vomit on myself and call that a good time.  I put my heart and soul into creating the best music I possibly could and I went hunting instead.  My dream continues with ferocity, thank you. 
     
     The 1960’s a generation that wanted to hold hangs, give peace a chance, smoke dope and change the world, changed it all right: for the worse.  America is still suffering the horrible consequences of hippies who thought utopia could be found in joints and intentional disconnect. 
     
     A quick study of social statistics before and after the 1960’s is quite telling.  The rising rates of divorce, high school drop outs, drug use, abortion, sexual diseases and crime, not to mention the expansion of government and taxis is dramatic.  The “if it feels good, do it” lifestyle born of the 1960’s has proven to be destructive and deadly. 
     
     So now, 40 years later, there are actually people who want to celebrate the anniversary of the Summer of Drugs.  Hippies are once again descending on ultra-liberal San Francisco – a city that once wanted to give shopping carts to the homeless – to celebrate and try to remember their dopey days of youth when so many of their musical heroes and friends long ago assumed room temperature by “partying” themselves to death.  Nice.
     
     While I salute and commend the political and cultural activism of the 1960’s that fueled the civil rights movement, other than that, the decade is barren of any positive cultural or social impact.  Honest people will remember 1967 for what it truly was. 
     
     There is a saying that if you cant remember the 1960’s, you were not there.  I was there and remember the decade in vivid, ugly detail.  I remember its toxic underbelly excess because I was caught in the vortex of the music revolution that was sweeping the country, and because my radar was fine-tuned thanks to a clean and sober lifestyle.
     
     Death due to drugs and the social carnage heaped upon America by hippies is nothing to celebrate.  That is a fool’s game, but it is quite apparent some burned-out hippies never learn. 

https://www.poster.net/hendrix-jimi/hendrix-jimi-jimi-4800045.jpg
Jimi Hendrix: Wasted talent

Last edited by CoronadoSEAL (2007-07-06 11:04:58)

howler_27
Member
+90|7131
Nuge '08
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6969|South Florida
I Love Ted Nugent. So much.
15 more years! 15 more years!
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7180|Salt Lake City

Ted's okay, but he's becoming exceptionally sanctimonious.
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|7199|United States of America
I want him to go crazy and just beat some old woman's face in for peace sometime.
d4rkst4r
biggie smalls
+72|6897|Ontario, Canada
Stupid Hendrix.
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
CoronadoSEAL
pics or it didn't happen
+207|6962|USA

howler_27 wrote:

Nuge '08
lol - time will tell.
ghettoperson
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Fucking liberal hippies.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,992|7076|949

Drug use causes divorce, eh Nuge?  What drugs were you on when you got divorced?

Oh, that's right, clean and sober 59 years.  Maybe being an asshole causes divorces...

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-07-06 14:20:15)

CoronadoSEAL
pics or it didn't happen
+207|6962|USA

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Drug use causes divorce, eh Nuge?  What drugs were you on when you got divorced?

Oh, that's right, clean and sober 59 years.  Maybe being an asshole causes divorces...
how bout increases the chances of.  i think he means that drugs mess with a man's priorities.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,992|7076|949

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Drug use causes divorce, eh Nuge?  What drugs were you on when you got divorced?

Oh, that's right, clean and sober 59 years.  Maybe being an asshole causes divorces...
how bout increases the chances of.  i think he means that drugs mess with a man's priorities.
So does love.

The point being, drugs can be a problem, but aren't inherently THE problem.

And I refuse to follow the Ted Nugent - Sociologist school of thought.  He should stick to making music, he's pretty darn good at that.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-07-06 14:59:58)

DeathBecomesYu
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Drug use causes divorce, eh Nuge?  What drugs were you on when you got divorced?

Oh, that's right, clean and sober 59 years.  Maybe being an asshole causes divorces...
Don't pick out one specific thing. His point is that the abuse of this stuff leads to a lot of bad things and one of them is divorce. Not hard to imagine divorce happening over drugs. My sister divorced her husband of 22 years because of drug abuse, so his point is very valid.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7065|London, England
Drugs are bad m'kay
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6849|North Carolina
Here's an interesting rebuttal to Ted...

http://reason.com/blog/show/121213.html
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6963|Πάϊ

Ted wrote:

The bodies of chemical-infested, brain-dead liberal deniers...

I salute and commend the political and cultural activism of the 1960’s that fueled the civil rights movement...
Make up your mind Ted. Which is it? Are they brain dead, or did they actually contribute?

All in all, the attempt to link the political left with drugs is nothing more than a pathetic low blow used by those who are not in a position to argue against it legitimately and to the point.
ƒ³
Cougar
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+1,962|7208|Dallas
Wow, that was ultra-conservative.
Ratzinger
Member
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

He should stick to making music, he's pretty darn good at that.
Talentless bum. To even mention him in the same breath as Jimi, what the fuck is HE on?

I see better guitarists busking in the mall.......
Agent_Dung_Bomb
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DeathBecomesYu wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Drug use causes divorce, eh Nuge?  What drugs were you on when you got divorced?

Oh, that's right, clean and sober 59 years.  Maybe being an asshole causes divorces...
Don't pick out one specific thing. His point is that the abuse of this stuff leads to a lot of bad things and one of them is divorce. Not hard to imagine divorce happening over drugs. My sister divorced her husband of 22 years because of drug abuse, so his point is very valid.
I have no doubt that drugs create relationship issues, but drugs aren't the primary reason for the large increases in divorce.  The bulk of that can be attributed to the no fault laws that were enacted within divorce laws.  Prior to the 60s it used to be much harder to get a divorce.
CaptainSpaulding71
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+119|6801|CA, USA

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Drug use causes divorce, eh Nuge?  What drugs were you on when you got divorced?

Oh, that's right, clean and sober 59 years.  Maybe being an asshole causes divorces...
Don't pick out one specific thing. His point is that the abuse of this stuff leads to a lot of bad things and one of them is divorce. Not hard to imagine divorce happening over drugs. My sister divorced her husband of 22 years because of drug abuse, so his point is very valid.
...plus drug abuse and divorce negatively affects any children that are caught in the middle of the situation leading to higher probability of dependence and repetition.  Kids learn quite a bit from their parents (or lack thereof).
CaptainSpaulding71
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+119|6801|CA, USA

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Drug use causes divorce, eh Nuge?  What drugs were you on when you got divorced?

Oh, that's right, clean and sober 59 years.  Maybe being an asshole causes divorces...
Don't pick out one specific thing. His point is that the abuse of this stuff leads to a lot of bad things and one of them is divorce. Not hard to imagine divorce happening over drugs. My sister divorced her husband of 22 years because of drug abuse, so his point is very valid.
I have no doubt that drugs create relationship issues, but drugs aren't the primary reason for the large increases in divorce.  The bulk of that can be attributed to the no fault laws that were enacted within divorce laws.  Prior to the 60s it used to be much harder to get a divorce.
i also attribute this to:
+ money issues.  i bet 9/10 divorces are related to this in some way or another
+ massive differences in work ethic or marriage expectations
+ our disposable consumer society (easier to get another wife than work out the problems)
+ focus on image over substance (40 year old guy dating 19 year old girl with bolt-ons, trophy wives with empty heads)
+ Hollywood/MTV espousing the decadent lifestyle (LiLo, Paris, Britney, etc etc etc)
+ breakdown of traditional family values making divorce the new 'norm' and an acceptable thing to do
+ quality and level of education

Now, of course people get divorced for domestic violence/drug abuse, etc - i understand those reasons but i've also known people that just get married and end up hating eachother because of stuipd shit.

We've all seen the Maury Povich episodes where the girl claims the guy will marry her if they have a kid.  my eyes roll into the back of my head when i hear people say that because dude is for sure going to be the first one out the door and then there'll be yet another single mother with little income in the world.  almost without fault, every single one of these girls are without proper father figures in their lives.  it's not rocket science - the girl wants the guy any way possible because she misses her dad.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6849|North Carolina
I'll put it this way...  The War on Drugs is a collossal waste of money and prison space.

If I want to light up a joint, the government shouldn't bug me about it.  Now, I'm not naive enough to think we should legalize everything, but we're taking the wrong approach.  We should focus more on rehabilitation and less on punishment.  If we can turn former drug addicts into functional members of society, then everybody wins.  Prisons get less crowded, less tax money is spent, and finally, these people's labor adds to the collective value of our economy.

Ever since we got on a mandatory drug sentencing kick in the 80s, our prisons started getting crowded, and loads of tax money went down the toilet.
CaptainSpaulding71
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Turquoise wrote:

I'll put it this way...  The War on Drugs is a collossal waste of money and prison space.

If I want to light up a joint, the government shouldn't bug me about it.  Now, I'm not naive enough to think we should legalize everything, but we're taking the wrong approach.  We should focus more on rehabilitation and less on punishment.  If we can turn former drug addicts into functional members of society, then everybody wins.  Prisons get less crowded, less tax money is spent, and finally, these people's labor adds to the collective value of our economy.

Ever since we got on a mandatory drug sentencing kick in the 80s, our prisons started getting crowded, and loads of tax money went down the toilet.
how about prevention of drug abuse instead of treatment after the fact.  what is the cost differential between these two methods?  since the drug culture of the 60s, it has become more and more 'cool' to light up.  this begs people to walk that fine line between occasional use and abuse.  Further, Hollywood could step up to the plate and not glamorize the party lifestyle.  live fast and die young is not something we want average schoolkids imitating.

we could take this as an offensive or defensive position.  i tend to think that we should be more on the offense with regards to drug abuse.
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6924|Somewhere else

nothing good came out of those times eh?

Bill Hicks wrote:

See I think drugs have done some good things for us. If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then do me a favor. Go home tonight and take all of your records,tapes and all your CD's and burn them. Because, you know all those musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs.
Its a shame that so many good people, famous or otherwise, have been ruined by drugs, but to say a decade of time where people wanted to believe in love, kindness, peace, and unity as a waste,  then that is just sad.  Sure, it didn't work out. As Raoul Duke put it, the wave finally broke, and rolled back.  But I see that time as a ray of light, or hope.  Proof still that in a world like today with greed, vanity and power, there is still good in people.

Last edited by RoosterCantrell (2007-07-06 18:50:20)

EVieira
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59 years clean and sober, and what has he accomplished? In a much shorter life, Jimmi Hendrix was able to influence an entire generation of musitians. He's going to be remembered for a long time, this Ted guy on the other hand...

Sounds more like the rambling of a frustated musitian
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
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howler_27 wrote:

Nuge '08
Seconded.

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