BF2S Forums Plan to Restore Fairness Doctrine

I agree with you completely. This, in my opinion, is an undue restriction on free speech. If you don't like what's being said, change the channel. If you aren't cool with that, start your own radio station.

Yeah, that's crap. I don't like retards spouting shit on the airwaves, but that's why I don't listen to them. Sure, some hate crimes might find their motivation there, but so long as a radio show does not qualify as incitement to violence it does not violate free speech.

jonsimon wrote:

Yeah, that's crap. I don't like retards spouting shit on the airwaves, but that's why I don't listen to them. Sure, some hate crimes might find their motivation there, but so long as a radio show does not qualify as incitement to violence it does not violate free speech.

But there's no such thing as a hate crime. You punish actions, not thoughts. All crimes have hate involved.

Yeah, that impedes on free speech. You don't have to give information in a balanced manner if you don't want to. Besides, if this was put into effect, what would happen to "The Daily Show" and Fox "News"?

The "Fairness Doctrine" sounds about as fair as the "Fair Tax."  I understand the ideological principle behind this proposal, but it is definitely a violation of the First Amendment.

For what it's worth though...  it is very sad that what sells best in most media is material that is heavily slanted, whether it's a liberal, conservative, or some other bias.

People are often far more interested in commentary than facts....

Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:

CNN wrote:

Liberal efforts to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine are "completely on track," and Democrats intend to push for the measure by linking talk radio to "hate crimes," according to a conservative media analyst.

Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) has proposed an amendment to appropriations legislation to prevent the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) from spending any money in 2008 to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine

Personally, I think this whole fairness doctrine is bullshit. They want to stop talk radio because conservatives own the airways. Fairness doctrine is codename for goverment control of free speech.

Discuss

But the Patriot Act is cool.


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CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Nobody wants to listen to liberals on the radio.  Why can't they just do something about it instead of crying?

why don't more people want to hear liberals on the radio?  why was Air America a colossal failure?  Is there a market for this stuff in Omaha or Bloomington or Springfield, Tuscon, Bend, Tallahassee?  I can see SF and LA perhaps.

Why are Hannity, Rush, Glen Beck, Michael Savage, etc doing so well? 

Unfortunately i haven't heard Air America (in its short life) but i have seen some other liberal leaning media and to me it just seems 'whiny'.  i hear alot of people complaining but not really offering concrete solutions that solve the problems.  Bitterness.  Seething hatred for Bush.

It's like I tell the people under me.  I do not want to hear bitching.  Bitching to me is "This fucking sucks" or "this is stupid" and that's it...no solution.

IF you think something is fucking stupid by all means say so, I want you to.  But give me a damn solution also.

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Nobody wants to listen to liberals on the radio.  Why can't they just do something about it instead of crying?

why don't more people want to hear liberals on the radio?  why was Air America a colossal failure?  Is there a market for this stuff in Omaha or Bloomington or Springfield, Tuscon, Bend, Tallahassee?  I can see SF and LA perhaps.

Why are Hannity, Rush, Glen Beck, Michael Savage, etc doing so well? 

Unfortunately i haven't heard Air America (in its short life) but i have seen some other liberal leaning media and to me it just seems 'whiny'.  i hear alot of people complaining but not really offering concrete solutions that solve the problems.  Bitterness.  Seething hatred for Bush.

*shrugs*  All I have to say is....  I'm liberal, and I have solutions.  So do many Democrats and moderates.  I would say that the markets you listed are the key though.  Talk Radio is generally aimed at suburbs and rural areas -- which are typically Republican territory.  Most liberals are urban, although there are some liberal suburbs out there.

Plus, entertainment on TV is generally liberal, because most screenwriters tend to be liberal.  Most movies are liberal because most directors are as well.

It's really just a difference in markets.  Conservatives have talk radio and talk TV, liberals have film and entertainment TV in general.

usmarine2005 wrote:

So why doesn't America want to listen to liberal radio?

Don't give me that market BS Turq.  Sat radio, internet, pod cast, mp3, etc.

It's not BS, because it's proven by sales.  I honestly never listened to Air America, so I can't comment on its quality or lack thereof.

Yet...  that's also part of it.  I don't know many liberals who have an interest in talk radio.  If I want to hear liberal commentary, I listen to Olbermann or Bill Maher.  Or...  I watch a Michael Moore movie.

Also, the Daily Show is liberal as well, and The Colbert Report makes fun of conservatism.  So, as you can see, there is no need for a liberal market in talk radio.  There are plenty of alternatives.

In addition to this, there is the inherent assumption that all talk radio is conservative, so liberals aren't likely to look for a liberal talk radio program, which in turn, makes it difficult for a liberal show to survive.

So yes, it's totally about the market.

Turquoise wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

So why doesn't America want to listen to liberal radio?

Don't give me that market BS Turq.  Sat radio, internet, pod cast, mp3, etc.

It's not BS, because it's proven by sales.  I honestly never listened to Air America, so I can't comment on its quality or lack thereof.

Yet...  that's also part of it.  I don't know many liberals who have an interest in talk radio.  If I want to hear liberal commentary, I listen to Olbermann or Bill Maher.  Or...  I watch a Michael Moore movie.

Also, the Daily Show is liberal as well, and The Colbert Report makes fun of conservatism.  So, as you can see, there is no need for a liberal market in talk radio.  There are plenty of alternatives.

In addition to this, there is the inherent assumption that all talk radio is conservative, so liberals aren't likely to look for a liberal talk radio program, which in turn, makes it difficult for a liberal show to survive.

So yes, it's totally about the market.

Just from my experience, I watch Countdown with Keith on MSNBC.  I have watched it for a while because it is way better than O'Rly or whatever crap is on CNN.  But I am starting not to watch it.  All he does is bash and bitch about FOX and Bill O.  That is how you lose viewers who do not have a "party."

usmarine2005 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

So why doesn't America want to listen to liberal radio?

Don't give me that market BS Turq.  Sat radio, internet, pod cast, mp3, etc.

It's not BS, because it's proven by sales.  I honestly never listened to Air America, so I can't comment on its quality or lack thereof.

Yet...  that's also part of it.  I don't know many liberals who have an interest in talk radio.  If I want to hear liberal commentary, I listen to Olbermann or Bill Maher.  Or...  I watch a Michael Moore movie.

Also, the Daily Show is liberal as well, and The Colbert Report makes fun of conservatism.  So, as you can see, there is no need for a liberal market in talk radio.  There are plenty of alternatives.

In addition to this, there is the inherent assumption that all talk radio is conservative, so liberals aren't likely to look for a liberal talk radio program, which in turn, makes it difficult for a liberal show to survive.

So yes, it's totally about the market.

Just from my experience, I watch Countdown with Keith on MSNBC.  I have watched it for a while because it is way better than O'Rly or whatever crap is on CNN.  But I am starting not to watch it.  All he does is bash and bitch about FOX and Bill O.  That is how you lose viewers who do not have a "party."

Keith Olbermann is obviously liberal, and he can be snide at times, but overall, he makes some good points.

But yes, his focus on only the wrongdoings of the right (and not of the left) undoubtedly turns off some people.

But you pass it off as being "assumed."  I call it failure on the lib part, not assumption by the public.