Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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IG-Calibre wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

So...  given all this information, why not leave Iraq and fight the Sunni nutjobs in Afghanistan and Pakistan?  Isn't that more relevant to our own safety than Iraq?
Wahhabism eh? So what about Saudi Arabia? How comes Bush walks about holding hands with them? & even though the majority of the 9/11 hi-jackers came from Saudi Arabia, why isn't the might of the US military rolling in there?

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Because Saudi Arabia has been working with us in fighting terrorism (They have busted several terrorist rings since 9/11). Because you don't attack a state government because a few of it's citizens have chosen to do wrong.
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DeathBecomesYu
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IG-Calibre wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

So...  given all this information, why not leave Iraq and fight the Sunni nutjobs in Afghanistan and Pakistan?  Isn't that more relevant to our own safety than Iraq?
Wahhabism eh? So what about Saudi Arabia? How comes Bush walks about holding hands with them? & even though the majority of the 9/11 hi-jackers came from Saudi Arabia, why isn't the might of the US military rolling in there?

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/phot … olding.jpg
Actually Bin Laden chose mostly Saudis because he would love the downfall of the Saudi Arabian government. One of Bin Laden's main targets is Saudi Arabia and what better way to strike at both enemies than to do what he did. Of course people look at 9/11 now and bring up this point over and over forgetting that it was a very calculated move by B.L.. Most people are smart enough to know why B.L. picked mostly Saudis to do the job.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7186|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

Kmarion wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

So...  given all this information, why not leave Iraq and fight the Sunni nutjobs in Afghanistan and Pakistan?  Isn't that more relevant to our own safety than Iraq?
Wahhabism eh? So what about Saudi Arabia? How comes Bush walks about holding hands with them? & even though the majority of the 9/11 hi-jackers came from Saudi Arabia, why isn't the might of the US military rolling in there?

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/phot … olding.jpg
Because Saudi Arabia has been working with us in fighting terrorism (They have busted several terrorist rings since 9/11). Because you don't attack a state government because a few of it's citizens have chosen to do wrong.
Yet you go in and totally destroy a country, killing countless hundreds of thousands of men, women & children, that had nothing at all to do with 9/11? while deliberately miss leading the American people by convincing them that that regime that had to be replaced backed AQ attacks on 9/11 while maintaining good relations with the country that you know full well is the centre of the Ideology that drives AQ - Riiiiiiiiiight Gotcha! thanks for clearing that up for me..
usmarine
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Oh Jesus...here we fucking go again.
CameronPoe
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DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Actually Bin Laden chose mostly Saudis because he would love the downfall of the Saudi Arabian government. One of Bin Laden's main targets is Saudi Arabia and what better way to strike at both enemies than to do what he did. Of course people look at 9/11 now and bring up this point over and over forgetting that it was a very calculated move by B.L.. Most people are smart enough to know why B.L. picked mostly Saudis to do the job.
I was recently at a training course held by a consultant who worked all over the middle east. He told me he no longer works in Saudi Arabia - he used to quite a bit in the 80s and 90s - but he said now if the Saudis see a westerner coming into their shop they just turn their backs and ignore them. The picture he painted of Saudi Arabia is not a pretty one - a revolution is building there. The days of the House of Saud are numbered.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7044|132 and Bush

IG-Calibre wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

Wahhabism eh? So what about Saudi Arabia? How comes Bush walks about holding hands with them? & even though the majority of the 9/11 hi-jackers came from Saudi Arabia, why isn't the might of the US military rolling in there?

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/phot … olding.jpg
Because Saudi Arabia has been working with us in fighting terrorism (They have busted several terrorist rings since 9/11). Because you don't attack a state government because a few of it's citizens have chosen to do wrong.
Yet you go in and totally destroy a country, killing countless hundreds of thousands of men, women & children, that had nothing at all to do with 9/11? while deliberately miss leading the American people by convincing them that that regime that had to be replaced backed AQ attacks on 9/11 while maintaining good relations with the country that you know full well is the centre of the Ideology that drives AQ - Riiiiiiiiiight Gotcha! thanks for clearing that up for me..
Your retort requires the assumption that I said Iraq was a good idea. I didn't. Need any more clarification?
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SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6930|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

ATG wrote:

Here is a old saying that originated in Persia;

" The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The friend of my enemy is my enemy. "

The are united if in nothing else their hatred for all things West.
Yeah, they hate our freedom and democracy.  Simply despise it.  Not to mention our Pop Culture.  Absolutely despise it.  Oh wait...
https://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h273/kheihn/IMG_0006.jpg
https://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h273/kheihn/cam069.jpg
https://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h273/kheihn/IMG_0007.jpg
I took these in Kuwait on the way back from Iraq, oh and when in Iraq I got seasons 1-5 of the Sopranos for next to nothing. They only want to be a little like us.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6849|North Carolina

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

So...  given all this information, why not leave Iraq and fight the Sunni nutjobs in Afghanistan and Pakistan?  Isn't that more relevant to our own safety than Iraq?
Wahhabism eh? So what about Saudi Arabia? How comes Bush walks about holding hands with them? & even though the majority of the 9/11 hi-jackers came from Saudi Arabia, why isn't the might of the US military rolling in there?

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/phot … olding.jpg
Actually Bin Laden chose mostly Saudis because he would love the downfall of the Saudi Arabian government. One of Bin Laden's main targets is Saudi Arabia and what better way to strike at both enemies than to do what he did. Of course people look at 9/11 now and bring up this point over and over forgetting that it was a very calculated move by B.L.. Most people are smart enough to know why B.L. picked mostly Saudis to do the job.
Uh... Well, Osama was interested in getting American troops out of Saudi Arabia, but he's related to one of the most powerful families in Saudi Arabia.  He still receives funding from someone in that family, but we haven't figured out exactly who it is.

I'd imagine that means Osama doesn't have as much against that government as he does its connections to the U.S.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7186|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

Kmarion wrote:

Your retort requires the assumption that I said Iraq was a good idea.
er..... No, it doesn't at all. besides it was a rhetorical post..
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6849|North Carolina

CameronPoe wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Actually Bin Laden chose mostly Saudis because he would love the downfall of the Saudi Arabian government. One of Bin Laden's main targets is Saudi Arabia and what better way to strike at both enemies than to do what he did. Of course people look at 9/11 now and bring up this point over and over forgetting that it was a very calculated move by B.L.. Most people are smart enough to know why B.L. picked mostly Saudis to do the job.
I was recently at a training course held by a consultant who worked all over the middle east. He told me he no longer works in Saudi Arabia - he used to quite a bit in the 80s and 90s - but he said now if the Saudis see a westerner coming into their shop they just turn their backs and ignore them. The picture he painted of Saudi Arabia is not a pretty one - a revolution is building there. The days of the House of Saud are numbered.
Not surprising...  Unfortunately, this probably means we'll invade in that event.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7044|132 and Bush

IG-Calibre wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Your retort requires the assumption that I said Iraq was a good idea.
er..... No, it doesn't at all. besides it was a rhetorical post..
Rhetoric is often lost in forums. I thought you were speaking to my personal feelings on the topic.
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DeathBecomesYu
Member
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CameronPoe wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Actually Bin Laden chose mostly Saudis because he would love the downfall of the Saudi Arabian government. One of Bin Laden's main targets is Saudi Arabia and what better way to strike at both enemies than to do what he did. Of course people look at 9/11 now and bring up this point over and over forgetting that it was a very calculated move by B.L.. Most people are smart enough to know why B.L. picked mostly Saudis to do the job.
I was recently at a training course held by a consultant who worked all over the middle east. He told me he no longer works in Saudi Arabia - he used to quite a bit in the 80s and 90s - but he said now if the Saudis see a westerner coming into their shop they just turn their backs and ignore them. The picture he painted of Saudi Arabia is not a pretty one - a revolution is building there. The days of the House of Saud are numbered.
I wonder what would happen if it did fall. This could go many ways and what does anyone think the U.S. would do if it did fall? Of course no one can read the future but there are some things to think about in that scenario.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6849|North Carolina
I don't like the Saudi aristocracy in Saudi Arabia, but I also don't like the thought of an anti-Western government rising up there.
DeathBecomesYu
Member
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Turquoise wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:


Wahhabism eh? So what about Saudi Arabia? How comes Bush walks about holding hands with them? & even though the majority of the 9/11 hi-jackers came from Saudi Arabia, why isn't the might of the US military rolling in there?

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/phot … olding.jpg
Actually Bin Laden chose mostly Saudis because he would love the downfall of the Saudi Arabian government. One of Bin Laden's main targets is Saudi Arabia and what better way to strike at both enemies than to do what he did. Of course people look at 9/11 now and bring up this point over and over forgetting that it was a very calculated move by B.L.. Most people are smart enough to know why B.L. picked mostly Saudis to do the job.
Uh... Well, Osama was interested in getting American troops out of Saudi Arabia, but he's related to one of the most powerful families in Saudi Arabia.  He still receives funding from someone in that family, but we haven't figured out exactly who it is.

I'd imagine that means Osama doesn't have as much against that government as he does its connections to the U.S.
Exactly...he wanted a wedge between the two for sure.
CDK3Y
Member
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IG-Calibre wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

So...  given all this information, why not leave Iraq and fight the Sunni nutjobs in Afghanistan and Pakistan?  Isn't that more relevant to our own safety than Iraq?
Wahhabism eh? So what about Saudi Arabia? How comes Bush walks about holding hands with them? & even though the majority of the 9/11 hi-jackers came from Saudi Arabia, why isn't the might of the US military rolling in there?

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/phot … olding.jpg
Well, maybe the US doesnt know that, but if they do attack Saudi Arabia, which is the holy land for ALL Muslims, so not only extremists will join the fight against an occupation, but so will the whole Muslim ummah (community or something like that) of the world, which is currently 1 billion and growing . Well, the thing which the problem between us Sunni's and the Shiites are the debates over history, i cant remember properly, but something to do with the Prophets family, there are even conspiracies that Shiites are actually Jews who wanted to mess up our religion, but that can easily be something from the mouth of a AQ leader.

Last edited by CDK3Y (2007-07-09 17:12:04)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7044|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:


Wahhabism eh? So what about Saudi Arabia? How comes Bush walks about holding hands with them? & even though the majority of the 9/11 hi-jackers came from Saudi Arabia, why isn't the might of the US military rolling in there?

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/phot … olding.jpg
Actually Bin Laden chose mostly Saudis because he would love the downfall of the Saudi Arabian government. One of Bin Laden's main targets is Saudi Arabia and what better way to strike at both enemies than to do what he did. Of course people look at 9/11 now and bring up this point over and over forgetting that it was a very calculated move by B.L.. Most people are smart enough to know why B.L. picked mostly Saudis to do the job.
Uh... Well, Osama was interested in getting American troops out of Saudi Arabia, but he's related to one of the most powerful families in Saudi Arabia.  He still receives funding from someone in that family, but we haven't figured out exactly who it is.

I'd imagine that means Osama doesn't have as much against that government as he does its connections to the U.S.
Didn't Saudi Arabia kick him out and revoke his citizenship a long time ago?
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6849|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:


Actually Bin Laden chose mostly Saudis because he would love the downfall of the Saudi Arabian government. One of Bin Laden's main targets is Saudi Arabia and what better way to strike at both enemies than to do what he did. Of course people look at 9/11 now and bring up this point over and over forgetting that it was a very calculated move by B.L.. Most people are smart enough to know why B.L. picked mostly Saudis to do the job.
Uh... Well, Osama was interested in getting American troops out of Saudi Arabia, but he's related to one of the most powerful families in Saudi Arabia.  He still receives funding from someone in that family, but we haven't figured out exactly who it is.

I'd imagine that means Osama doesn't have as much against that government as he does its connections to the U.S.
Didn't Saudi Arabia kick him out and revoke his citizenship a long time ago?
Yes, but many of Saudi Arabia's people considered him a hero.  Some still do.
CDK3Y
Member
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Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Uh... Well, Osama was interested in getting American troops out of Saudi Arabia, but he's related to one of the most powerful families in Saudi Arabia.  He still receives funding from someone in that family, but we haven't figured out exactly who it is.

I'd imagine that means Osama doesn't have as much against that government as he does its connections to the U.S.
Didn't Saudi Arabia kick him out and revoke his citizenship a long time ago?
Yes, but many of Saudi Arabia's people considered him a hero.  Some still do.
No, not really, the Wahhabi's do, not everybody is Saudi is a wahhabi, there are diffrent sects, and wahhabism is one.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6849|North Carolina

CDK3Y wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Didn't Saudi Arabia kick him out and revoke his citizenship a long time ago?
Yes, but many of Saudi Arabia's people considered him a hero.  Some still do.
No, not really, the Wahhabi's do, not everybody is Saudi is a wahhabi, there are diffrent sects, and wahhabism is one.
Those are the ones I was referring to.  I realize they are a minority, but they must be watched closely.
CDK3Y
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And yes the Saudi govt. revoked him...bastard..let out on everything, if your a saudi national, your education is free, you get a $10,000 bank account when you are born, your overseas education is paid for, you get allowance by the government, the government pays for your wedding, I mean c'mon if your born pure Saudi, you must be the luckiest on the earth, and let me tell you that, these rich people aerent the best of muslims, they drink, gamble etc. too much money, and some end up like Osama, idiots who shed the blood of the innocent because they dont like a certain country.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6849|North Carolina

CDK3Y wrote:

And yes the Saudi govt. revoked him...bastard..let out on everything, if your a saudi national, your education is free, you get a $10,000 bank account when you are born, your overseas education is paid for, you get allowance by the government, the government pays for your wedding, I mean c'mon if your born pure Saudi, you must be the luckiest on the earth, and let me tell you that, these rich people aerent the best of muslims, they drink, gamble etc. too much money, and some end up like Osama, idiots who shed the blood of the innocent because they dont like a certain country.
*nods*  I see.  Well, why does resentment toward the West seem to be rising in Saudi Arabia?
CDK3Y
Member
+25|6582|BEHIND YOU!
Well, its all the way people look at the religion, some say everybody should live in peace with each other, no matter what the religion is, because we are all creations of Allah, some people think that Islam should dominate the world, but the latter mentality is very rare, maybe 1-2 percent of the Islamic world, I will research into this and post it up later, as some things i am saying might be wrong. but the main thing is how the people think towards their religion.
CDK3Y
Member
+25|6582|BEHIND YOU!
Mainly OBL doesnt like US is because of the Palestine thing too, because before OBL's family had alot of business in the US, he was trying to stand up for the tens of thousands of dead palestinians and other muslim minorities, by killing another 10'000 so called "non-believers"...well all in all...A TOTAL DOUCHBAG
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6849|North Carolina

CDK3Y wrote:

Well, its all the way people look at the religion, some say everybody should live in peace with each other, no matter what the religion is, because we are all creations of Allah, some people think that Islam should dominate the world, but the latter mentality is very rare, maybe 1-2 percent of the Islamic world, I will research into this and post it up later, as some things i am saying might be wrong. but the main thing is how the people think towards their religion.
It's funny, but it seems like this is the same conflict that Christianity went through a while back.

For a couple centuries, Christian forces did their best to conquer various cultures and convert the masses.  Islam went through a period of that as well.  Yet, this kind of mentality is very subdued among Christians today.  I wonder why the 1-2 % are so violent among Muslims....
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6849|North Carolina

CDK3Y wrote:

Mainly OBL doesnt like US is because of the Palestine thing too, because before OBL's family had alot of business in the US, he was trying to stand up for the tens of thousands of dead palestinians and other muslim minorities, by killing another 10'000 so called "non-believers"...well all in all...A TOTAL DOUCHBAG
Well, we definitely didn't help things by siding with Israel through a lot of this.  Of course, it's pretty obvious that we'll continue to side with them no matter what.  A lot of the rest of the world will continue siding with the Palestinians.

I just wish this conflict would end.  It's so stupid when you consider how much land there is for all of us to have.

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