Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6848|North Carolina
Yes, I know there have been previous threads on this topic, but this one focuses more on the compatibility of religion with evolution.

To those of you that are creationist, is it not possible that evolution is just a more precise way of explaining creation?  Is the creation story a metaphor instead of literal truth?

Why wouldn't it be a metaphor?...  Maybe God was the being that initiated evolution....

What do you guys think?
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7128|United States of America
Creationism was accepted as science for quite some time. That shows exactly how much people didn't know at the time. The matter is similar to the age of the earth. They didn't have enough scientific knowledge to learn that their estimated age of the planet at that time.

Although, evolution and creationism shouldn't even be able to be compared.One is an attempt to establish the origin of life while the other describes the progression of it.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6848|North Carolina
Good points...  I just find it weird how a lot of religious people take something like a creation story so literally.  Much of the Bible and Quran involve allegories and parables.  These are stories that demonstrate a theme through figurative terms.

Why take things so literally?
golgoj4
Member
+51|7218|North Hollywood
Im on the fence with the whole god thing. Part of me says its BS when I see what religion brings via man, but when you look @ the universe and all the things that just magically 'work', that seems the most compelling evidence. Given that nothing is MAGIC and it all a matter of being able to perceive what going on, evolution almost seems like proof of god. True we understand it, but who the hell set it up? Whats the cosmic rule that kick started it?

To me, it just seems so much more compelling than 'Intelligent Design' theories i hear.
Paco_the_Insane
Phorum Phantom
+244|7088|Ohio
I'm Catholic and I believe in evolution.

Mostly we should blame the American South.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6848|North Carolina
Many Muslims don't believe in it either.  Turkey has a lower percentage of believers in evolution than we do.
Fallschirmjager10
Member
+36|6904

golgoj4 wrote:

Im on the fence with the whole god thing. Part of me says its BS when I see what religion brings via man, but when you look @ the universe and all the things that just magically 'work', that seems the most compelling evidence. Given that nothing is MAGIC and it all a matter of being able to perceive what going on, evolution almost seems like proof of god. True we understand it, but who the hell set it up? Whats the cosmic rule that kick started it?

To me, it just seems so much more compelling than 'Intelligent Design' theories i hear.
And how did God get there?
Ganko_06
Laughter with an S
+167|7088|Camoran's Paradise

Paco_the_Insane wrote:

I'm Catholic and I believe in evolution.

Mostly we should blame the American South.
I'm Catholic.  I live in the South.  God help me.
Ganko_06
Laughter with an S
+167|7088|Camoran's Paradise

Fallschirmjager10 wrote:

golgoj4 wrote:

Im on the fence with the whole god thing. Part of me says its BS when I see what religion brings via man, but when you look @ the universe and all the things that just magically 'work', that seems the most compelling evidence. Given that nothing is MAGIC and it all a matter of being able to perceive what going on, evolution almost seems like proof of god. True we understand it, but who the hell set it up? Whats the cosmic rule that kick started it?

To me, it just seems so much more compelling than 'Intelligent Design' theories i hear.
And how did God get there?
That is probably something that is beyond our comprehension.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6890|Chicago, IL

Turquoise wrote:

Yes, I know there have been previous threads on this topic, but this one focuses more on the compatibility of religion with evolution.

To those of you that are creationist, is it not possible that evolution is just a more precise way of explaining creation?  Is the creation story a metaphor instead of literal truth?

Why wouldn't it be a metaphor?...  Maybe God was the being that initiated evolution....

What do you guys think?
Actually, that is what my church teaches, God created through evolution, and the story is metaphorical. 

Basically, the order of events in the bible (big bang, planet created, seas formed, lesser animals, then humans last) does fit the current scientific chronology.

Obviously, the events did not take place in a peiod of 6 Earth days, but what is a day to God?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6848|North Carolina

S.Lythberg wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Yes, I know there have been previous threads on this topic, but this one focuses more on the compatibility of religion with evolution.

To those of you that are creationist, is it not possible that evolution is just a more precise way of explaining creation?  Is the creation story a metaphor instead of literal truth?

Why wouldn't it be a metaphor?...  Maybe God was the being that initiated evolution....

What do you guys think?
Actually, that is what my church teaches, God created through evolution, and the story is metaphorical. 

Basically, the order of events in the bible (big bang, planet created, seas formed, lesser animals, then humans last) does fit the current scientific chronology.

Obviously, the events did not take place in a peiod of 6 Earth days, but what is a day to God?
I wish more Southern Baptists agreed with your denomination.  I wish more Muslims did too.

EDIT:  Hell, I wish that 3 of the Republican presidential candidates did too (Tancredo, Huckabee, Brownback).

Last edited by Turquoise (2007-07-09 18:17:13)

Ganko_06
Laughter with an S
+167|7088|Camoran's Paradise

Turquoise wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Yes, I know there have been previous threads on this topic, but this one focuses more on the compatibility of religion with evolution.

To those of you that are creationist, is it not possible that evolution is just a more precise way of explaining creation?  Is the creation story a metaphor instead of literal truth?

Why wouldn't it be a metaphor?...  Maybe God was the being that initiated evolution....

What do you guys think?
Actually, that is what my church teaches, God created through evolution, and the story is metaphorical. 

Basically, the order of events in the bible (big bang, planet created, seas formed, lesser animals, then humans last) does fit the current scientific chronology.

Obviously, the events did not take place in a peiod of 6 Earth days, but what is a day to God?
I wish more Southern Baptists agreed with your denomination.  I wish more Muslims did too.
I know.  They are a little nuts here.  Several people at my high school nearly linched me when I told them I believed Adam and Eve and Jonah were just moral stories and that much of Revelation was a metaphor for Rome.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6848|North Carolina

Ganko_06 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:


Actually, that is what my church teaches, God created through evolution, and the story is metaphorical. 

Basically, the order of events in the bible (big bang, planet created, seas formed, lesser animals, then humans last) does fit the current scientific chronology.

Obviously, the events did not take place in a peiod of 6 Earth days, but what is a day to God?
I wish more Southern Baptists agreed with your denomination.  I wish more Muslims did too.
I know.  They are a little nuts here.  Several people at my high school nearly linched me when I told them I believed Adam and Eve and Jonah were just moral stories and that much of Revelation was a metaphor for Rome.
LOL...  try being an atheist in the Bible Belt.  I live in NC. 
Havok
Nymphomaniac Treatment Specialist
+302|7118|Florida, United States

Ganko_06 wrote:

Fallschirmjager10 wrote:

golgoj4 wrote:

Im on the fence with the whole god thing. Part of me says its BS when I see what religion brings via man, but when you look @ the universe and all the things that just magically 'work', that seems the most compelling evidence. Given that nothing is MAGIC and it all a matter of being able to perceive what going on, evolution almost seems like proof of god. True we understand it, but who the hell set it up? Whats the cosmic rule that kick started it?

To me, it just seems so much more compelling than 'Intelligent Design' theories i hear.
And how did God get there?
That is probably something that is beyond our comprehension.
You're on the right track.  You have the right answer but to the wrong question.  The question is how did the universe/life start.  The answer is that it is beyond our comprehension.
Ganko_06
Laughter with an S
+167|7088|Camoran's Paradise

Turquoise wrote:

Ganko_06 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


I wish more Southern Baptists agreed with your denomination.  I wish more Muslims did too.
I know.  They are a little nuts here.  Several people at my high school nearly linched me when I told them I believed Adam and Eve and Jonah were just moral stories and that much of Revelation was a metaphor for Rome.
LOL...  try being an atheist in the Bible Belt.  I live in NC. 
Arkansas.  I think Catholics are more hated here than atheists.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6848|North Carolina

Ganko_06 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Ganko_06 wrote:


I know.  They are a little nuts here.  Several people at my high school nearly linched me when I told them I believed Adam and Eve and Jonah were just moral stories and that much of Revelation was a metaphor for Rome.
LOL...  try being an atheist in the Bible Belt.  I live in NC. 
Arkansas.  I think Catholics are more hated here than atheists.
Well, you're competition, of course..  j/k
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7201|Argentina
Anyone denying evolution is an ignorant and deserves no respect at all.  I don't have a problem with people believing in the fairy tales of the Bible, but when they cross the line where they deny evolution they are extremists like the Muslims that blow themselves coz they will have 72 virgins.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6890|Chicago, IL

Ganko_06 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:


Actually, that is what my church teaches, God created through evolution, and the story is metaphorical. 

Basically, the order of events in the bible (big bang, planet created, seas formed, lesser animals, then humans last) does fit the current scientific chronology.

Obviously, the events did not take place in a peiod of 6 Earth days, but what is a day to God?
I wish more Southern Baptists agreed with your denomination.  I wish more Muslims did too.
I know.  They are a little nuts here.  Several people at my high school nearly linched me when I told them I believed Adam and Eve and Jonah were just moral stories and that much of Revelation was a metaphor for Rome.
Do they think Revelations is a true story?  Sounds more like a movie script to me.  (Or the ultimate encoded Roman flame fest)

Most of the bible is morality tales, not literal truth.

I suppose it would be possible to be eaten by a whale and then regurgitated alive, assuming the whale had not opened its mouth underwater.

People need to embrace the point the bible is trying to make and not fight over the stupid details.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7118|Canberra, AUS

S.Lythberg wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Yes, I know there have been previous threads on this topic, but this one focuses more on the compatibility of religion with evolution.

To those of you that are creationist, is it not possible that evolution is just a more precise way of explaining creation?  Is the creation story a metaphor instead of literal truth?

Why wouldn't it be a metaphor?...  Maybe God was the being that initiated evolution....

What do you guys think?
Actually, that is what my church teaches, God created through evolution, and the story is metaphorical. 

Basically, the order of events in the bible (big bang, planet created, seas formed, lesser animals, then humans last) does fit the current scientific chronology.

Obviously, the events did not take place in a peiod of 6 Earth days, but what is a day to God?
That's what my school teaches too. A fair opinion IMO.

Last edited by Spark (2007-07-09 18:25:05)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6848|North Carolina

Havok wrote:

Ganko_06 wrote:

Fallschirmjager10 wrote:


And how did God get there?
That is probably something that is beyond our comprehension.
You're on the right track.  You have the right answer but to the wrong question.  The question is how did the universe/life start.  The answer is that it is beyond our comprehension.
Good point...  I think the trouble started when we tried to answer abstract questions with illogical and completely speculative answers...

No one knows if there's a God or not...  I'm atheist by default and on account of the principle of Occam's Razor...
Ganko_06
Laughter with an S
+167|7088|Camoran's Paradise

S.Lythberg wrote:

Ganko_06 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


I wish more Southern Baptists agreed with your denomination.  I wish more Muslims did too.
I know.  They are a little nuts here.  Several people at my high school nearly linched me when I told them I believed Adam and Eve and Jonah were just moral stories and that much of Revelation was a metaphor for Rome.
Do they think Revelations is a true story?  Sounds more like a movie script to me.  (Or the ultimate encoded Roman flame fest)

Most of the bible is morality tales, not literal truth.

I suppose it would be possible to be eaten by a whale and then regurgitated alive, assuming the whale had not opened its mouth underwater.

People need to embrace the point the bible is trying to make and not fight over the stupid details.
No.  Just that it predicts the end of the world.

And the whale story wasn't so much about being able to stay alive.  It was what happened later in the story (almost no one here knows) and the historical period which it was written.  I could go in further but that would be off topic.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6848|North Carolina

S.Lythberg wrote:

Do they think Revelations is a true story?  Sounds more like a movie script to me.  (Or the ultimate encoded Roman flame fest)

Most of the bible is morality tales, not literal truth.

I suppose it would be possible to be eaten by a whale and then regurgitated alive, assuming the whale had not opened its mouth underwater.

People need to embrace the point the bible is trying to make and not fight over the stupid details.
Agreed...  there are great morals in the Bible, but yes, the Baptists down here are ALL about the Rapture and Revelations...  Don't even mention the Pentecostals either...  my God (no pun intended).

There are things I don't understand about Catholics (like how some of them view birth control and abortion), but when it comes to science, I think they understand it far better than many Protestants.
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6963|Πάϊ
Simple: before the theory of Evolution, there were many unanswered questions. Now there are less, but still Evolution does not quite explain the origins of life for example. So that's where creationism and the whole religion thing kicks in, by providing answers to those of us not patient enough or even willing to discover the true answers.

Creationism - and religion in general - is like a pacifier. It keeps the babies quiet.
ƒ³
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6848|North Carolina
Oug...  What's the typical outlook of the Greek Orthodox Church on evolution?  I know they have some similarities to the Catholic Church, but I really don't know much about them....
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6890|Chicago, IL

Turquoise wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Do they think Revelations is a true story?  Sounds more like a movie script to me.  (Or the ultimate encoded Roman flame fest)

Most of the bible is morality tales, not literal truth.

I suppose it would be possible to be eaten by a whale and then regurgitated alive, assuming the whale had not opened its mouth underwater.

People need to embrace the point the bible is trying to make and not fight over the stupid details.
Agreed...  there are great morals in the Bible, but yes, the Baptists down here are ALL about the Rapture and Revelations...  Don't even mention the Pentecostals either...  my God (no pun intended).

There are things I don't understand about Catholics (like how some of them view birth control and abortion), but when it comes to science, I think they understand it far better than many Protestants.
Define protestant...

Southern Baptists argue that science is the Devil's work

We Lutherans love science (makes us rich )

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